Something that should be addressed

[morgousky]

Private schools that lower admissions across the board for competition. I’m just wondering how a school like Vanderbilt or Duke isn’t seen as what’s wrong with college athletics? Cal promoted players to go be paid, Duke and Vandy promote a diploma that most of these guys shouldn’t be offered. Has Jay Bilas or ESPN or the NCAA ever discussed this at all? Imagine your kid having a 4.0, ACT scores of 32, and being rejected to Duke while Duval, Williamson, Bagley, and Barrett suit up with duke across their chest? Isn’t this where the line shouldn’t be crossed?

Maybe before we discuss professionalism, we should shut out the kids who don’t have the grades to go to college in the first place. I’m guessing that will eliminate more than half of the ones that want to be paid day one.

 

[BoneToPick]

Private schools that lower admissions across the board for competition. I’m just wondering how a school like Vanderbilt or Duke isn’t seen as what’s wrong with college athletics? Cal promoted players to go be paid, Duke and Vandy promote a diploma that most of these shouldn’t be offered. Has Jay Bilas or ESPN or the NCAA ever discussed this at all? Imagine your kid having a 4.0, ACT scores of 32, and being rejected to Duke while Duval, Williamson, Bagley, and Barrett suit up with duke across their chest? Isn’t this where the line shouldn’t be crossed?

Been saying this for years. Bagley went to threee high schools in three years, skipped his senior year and got into dook. Smart kid.

 

[Rupp'sRunt]

Private schools that lower admissions across the board for competition. I’m just wondering how a school like Vanderbilt or Duke isn’t seen as what’s wrong with college athletics? Cal promoted players to go be paid, Duke and Vandy promote a diploma that most of these shouldn’t be offered. Has Jay Bilas or ESPN or the NCAA ever discussed this at all? Imagine your kid having a 4.0, ACT scores of 32, and being rejected to Duke while Duval, Williamson, Bagley, and Barrett suit up with duke across their chest? Isn’t this where the line shouldn’t be crossed?

First off a 32 act score might not even get you into duke. And its bc they want the sports $$$. Private schools can let in whoever they want. Im pretty much convinced Duval couldn't even read a book btw.

 

[triadaz]

I think Vanderbilt and Stanford are the only 2 P5 schools that don't lower their admissions standards for athletes.

 

[BlueBomb]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought Stanford kept strict academic requirements for athletes as well.

 

[morgousky]

I think Vanderbilt and Stanford are the only 2 P5 schools that don't lower their admissions standards for athletes.

Vandy lowers admissions for athletes.

 

[morgousky]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought Stanford kept strict academic requirements for athletes as well.

Well consider me a fan of Stanford from here on out. Duke is fake. Stanford is real. And if I were student they were competing for, I’d be at Stanford. No tainted diplomas.

 

[All Facts]

Private schools that lower admissions across the board for competition. I’m just wondering how a school like Vanderbilt or Duke isn’t seen as what’s wrong with college athletics? Cal promoted players to go be paid, Duke and Vandy promote a diploma that most of these guys shouldn’t be offered. Has Jay Bilas or ESPN or the NCAA ever discussed this at all? Imagine your kid having a 4.0, ACT scores of 32, and being rejected to Duke while Duval, Williamson, Bagley, and Barrett suit up with duke across their chest? Isn’t this where the line shouldn’t be crossed?

Maybe before we discuss professionalism, we should shut out the kids who don’t have the grades to go to college in the first place.

I agree with you here but Vandy isn't guilty of this. The football program (which should be the main revenue driver) has needed desperate funding for years but the university refuses to allocate funds that could take away from academics.

 

[morgousky]

First off a 32 act score might not even get you into duke. And its bc they want the sports $$$. Private schools can let in whoever they want. Im pretty much convinced Duval couldn't even read a book btw.

I was just throwing it out there. 34, 35, whatever.

 

[FilsonCat]

How many football and basketball players at Duke have graduated with an undergrad degree in 3 years? Do we really think they are writing their own papers and taking their own exams with the travel and training schedules demanded of D1 athletes?

 

[morgousky]

I agree with you here but Vandy isn't guilty of this. The football program (which should be the main revenue driver) has needed desperate funding for years but the university refuses to allocate funds that could take away from academics.

That may be true, but Vandy lowers admissions standards

 

[morgousky]

How many football and basketball players at Duke have graduated with an undergrad degree in 3 years? Do we really think they are writing their own papers and taking their own exams with the travel and training schedules demanded of D1 athletes?

Duke is private and they have full time tutors that do all of the work. One day the scam will approach the sunlight.

 

[morgousky]

Look at how different the landscape would be, how much harder the kids would work in school, if their parents realized they can’t play for a college team without acceptable transcripts?

 

[Trinity45]

I think Vanderbilt and Stanford are the only 2 P5 schools that don't lower their admissions standards for athletes.

I think N.D. may lower theirs a bit but they will not go down the the NCAA standard. I know Duke lowers theirs.

 

[DonkeyDwayne]

Private schools that lower admissions across the board for competition. I’m just wondering how a school like Vanderbilt or Duke isn’t seen as what’s wrong with college athletics? Cal promoted players to go be paid, Duke and Vandy promote a diploma that most of these guys shouldn’t be offered. Has Jay Bilas or ESPN or the NCAA ever discussed this at all? Imagine your kid having a 4.0, ACT scores of 32, and being rejected to Duke while Duval, Williamson, Bagley, and Barrett suit up with duke across their chest? Isn’t this where the line shouldn’t be crossed?

Maybe before we discuss professionalism, we should shut out the kids who don’t have the grades to go to college in the first place. I’m guessing that will eliminate more than half of the ones that want to be paid day one.

You are seeing wrong. This is an opportunity for a less than stellar scholar to receive a great education.

That is how it is spun.

 

[morgousky]

I think N.D. may lower theirs a bit but they will not go down the the NCAA standard. I know Duke lowers theirs.

I always thought ND was fairly strict about this.

 

[morgousky]

You are seeing wrong. This is an opportunity for a less than stellar scholar to receive a great education.

That is how it is spun.

Great. Then Duke can show that it’s about that, and start offering scholarships every semester to kids who don’t quite have the grades and come from bad neighborhoods around Durham.

Very noble of a supposed Ivy League.

 

[billCgmx]

Well consider me a fan of Stanford from here on out. Duke is fake. Stanford is real. And if I were student they were competing for, I’d be at Stanford. No tainted diplomas.

You sure about that?

A drama class in “Beginning Improvising” and another in “Social Dances of North America III” were among dozens of classes on a closely guarded quarterly list distributed only to Stanford athletes to help them choose classes.

Stanford officials said the list was designed to accommodate athletes’ demanding schedules and disputed that the list was made up of easy courses. Officials discontinued the list last week after student reporters working for California Watch began asking about it.

The list, which has existed at least since 2001, was widely regarded by athletes as an easy class list. More than a quarter of the courses on the list did not fulfill university general education requirements.

“It’s definitely not going to be a hard class if it’s coming off that list,” said Karissa Cook, a sophomore women’s volleyball player, who consulted the list to pick classes in her first quarter at Stanford.

The classes on the list were “always chock-full of athletes and very easy As,” added Kira Maker, a women’s soccer player, who used the list her freshman year.

Titled “courses of interest,” the list was distributed by the Athletic Academic Resource Center. Advisers in other departments at the University said they were unaware such a list existed.

https://www.stanforddaily.com/2011/03/09/1046687/

 

[Cal-4-Three]

The real questions is should private schools be allowed to be D1 and compete when they have a different set of rules to abide by. I assume public schools wouldn't be allowed to lower standards for someone to get in. If I'm wrong someone please correct me.

 

[Hopediamond]

I think Vanderbilt and Stanford are the only 2 P5 schools that don't lower their admissions standards for athletes.

You think garland was academically inclined? Seriously lmao. Wow

 

[Hopediamond]

You sure about that?

A drama class in “Beginning Improvising” and another in “Social Dances of North America III” were among dozens of classes on a closely guarded quarterly list distributed only to Stanford athletes to help them choose classes.

Stanford officials said the list was designed to accommodate athletes’ demanding schedules and disputed that the list was made up of easy courses. Officials discontinued the list last week after student reporters working for California Watch began asking about it.

The list, which has existed at least since 2001, was widely regarded by athletes as an easy class list. More than a quarter of the courses on the list did not fulfill university general education requirements.

“It’s definitely not going to be a hard class if it’s coming off that list,” said Karissa Cook, a sophomore women’s volleyball player, who consulted the list to pick classes in her first quarter at Stanford.

The classes on the list were “always chock-full of athletes and very easy As,” added Kira Maker, a women’s soccer player, who used the list her freshman year.

Titled “courses of interest,” the list was distributed by the Athletic Academic Resource Center. Advisers in other departments at the University said they were unaware such a list existed.

https://www.stanforddaily.com/2011/03/09/1046687/

Oh how I love when people shut down opinions with facts. Need more of this on this board. Thank you

 

[BigKari]

Duke basketball players don’t even go to Duke. They take classes at a ******* community college.

 

[poppycat]

Vandy lowers admissions for athletes.

That may be true, but Vandy lowers admissions standards

They didn't for Mercer...20+ years ago.

 

[Hopediamond]

The real questions is should private schools be allowed to be D1 and compete when they have a different set of rules to abide by. I assume public schools wouldn't be allowed to lower standards for someone to get in. If I'm wrong someone please correct me.

If unc can give out bogus diplomas from bogus classes and get away with it.... I don’t think anyone can say anything about private schools and their standards

 

[JC CATS]

Well consider me a fan of Stanford from here on out. Duke is fake. Stanford is real. And if I were student they were competing for, I’d be at Stanford. No tainted diplomas.

I don't think there is any danger of Duval or Bagley walking across the stage at Duke!

 

[morgousky]

I don't think there is any danger of Duval or Bagley walking across the stage at Duke!

Which makes it more slimy actually.

 

[STEVECAT]

Duval getting into Duke is a sick joke. Students with high test scores that did not get in should be reimbursed their admission fees for that one

 

[bthaunert]

The real questions is should private schools be allowed to be D1 and compete when they have a different set of rules to abide by. I assume public schools wouldn't be allowed to lower standards for someone to get in. If I'm wrong someone please correct me.

Public schools lower their admission standards too. I know at UCLA, a report a little while back talked about the average SAT score of an athlete being almost 300 points lower than a "normal" student.

 

[UKWildcatT]

Look, let’s be honest about college in general: it’s probably the biggest scam in history only designed to pull in major money.

Maybe a doctor or lawyer, but NO ONE needs four years of college. 90% of the stuff we took is ******** and was a scam to make money

 

[Hopediamond]

Public schools lower their admission standards too. I know at UCLA, a report a little while back talked about the average SAT score of an athlete being almost 300 points lower than a "normal" student.

Duh they all do it or they give them some bs summer courses to raise gpa. It’s standard practice. So I’m not going to judge when they all do it. I take exception to the ncaa for allowing some schools to openly playing who we all know are not academically ineligible players at some schools (duke) when we know they would never qualify at lets say Kentucky. That’s my only issues. Ncaa

 

[bthaunert]

Look, let’s be honest about college in general: it’s probably the biggest scam in history only designed to pull in major money.

Maybe a doctor or lawyer, but NO ONE needs four years of college. 90% of the stuff we took is ******** and was a scam to make money

My golf and billiards electives helped me immensely. I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[UKWildcatT]

My golf and billiards electives helped me immensely. I don't know what you're talking about.

:smiley:

 

[TFCat11]

Look, let’s be honest about college in general: it’s probably the biggest scam in history only designed to pull in major money.

Maybe a doctor or lawyer, but NO ONE needs four years of college. 90% of the stuff we took is ******** and was a scam to make money

110% Truth in this post! Although, very few people want to admit it, because they too were victims of the Scam. Kudos to you for laying it out lol.

 

[DonkeyDwayne]

Great. Then Duke can show that it’s about that, and start offering scholarships every semester to kids who don’t quite have the grades and come from bad neighborhoods around Durham.

Very noble of a supposed Ivy League.

If you remember that is what Prop 48 was about. And that was also the argument coaches had about allowing under-achieving students in college.

Today’s world EVERYONE is allowed in college.

 

[morgousky]

Look, let’s be honest about college in general: it’s probably the biggest scam in history only designed to pull in major money.

Maybe a doctor or lawyer, but NO ONE needs four years of college. 90% of the stuff we took is ******** and was a scam to make money

True. But it’s the way it works and a lot of people just have to have it.

It still doesn’t change the fact that an institution like Duke rejects kids every year while giving special privilege to kids who, in some cases, wouldn’t start at the college level in a community college. It’s pitiful.

 

[Kai Slater]

Guys and gals, this falls into the "life is not fair" category. It is what it is and always will be this way.

 

[Wall2Boogie]

This idea begins and ends with puke. Bagley and Duvall were not academic scholars, they both went to multiple high schools in the years they were there. Neither should of had the grades to get into puke, but we all know the ncaa will never do a damn thing about it

 

[saxonburgcat]

I think N.D. may lower theirs a bit but they will not go down the the NCAA standard. I know Duke lowers theirs.

To quote Beano Cook: "ND accepted Randy Moss. Don't tell me that they have academic standards. They only use that as an excuse when they are losing."

 

[BBBLazing]

The real questions is should private schools be allowed to be D1 and compete when they have a different set of rules to abide by. I assume public schools wouldn't be allowed to lower standards for someone to get in. If I'm wrong someone please correct me.

Kentucky lowers its standard for athletes as well. No one other than athletes get into UK with ACT scores like an 18 or 19, but athletes do regularly.

 

[CB3UK]

Amen OP. I made the exact same point the day MJ went on his soapbox rant about the rich kids admission scandal. Both are wrong IMO.

But honestly, how is exploiting these young, usually black, athletes for the schools financial gain not MORE wrong? The rich kids are at least paying their way for taking up someone elses spot. Its still wrong. But is it more wrong than lowering your standards so a kid who isnt smart enough can play ball so your school can remain relevant in a lucrative sport?

Hmmm....