I agree with you. He has done that. I don't care for the man, but he gives hell in equal amounts to whomever he thinks is deserving. And he'll praise a group one day and then cut their throat the next. As bad as I hate to admit it, he's consistent and he's what we needed in that regard. Trump simply doesn't give a damn what anybody thinks of him. He's his own fan. And as unappealing as that is, it's kind of what we need too. He ran on a platform of several promises. And he's unapologetically and relentlessly worked to deliver on every one. And despite the largest pushback to a president's agenda in history, he hasn't backed down one bit. The media is RUTHLESS and despite his little twitter nonsense where he defends himself, he's proven that he has thick skin and he's also proven that he's probably more ruthless than the media. I don't know of another candidate who could bulldoze his way through the BS that he's had to push through. And I get the feeling he sleeps just fine at night. He's a flawed messenger of the American people. But he was elected because people saw that in him. And it might get him re-elected again. It's like me hiring someone to address a bully (the media). Welp, Trump was the bully we hired and he has't disappointed in that regard. So I think a lot of people recognize that you get the good with bad when you do that.
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I agree with you. He has done that. I don't care for the man, but he gives hell in equal amounts to whomever he thinks is deserving. And he'll praise a group one day and then cut their throat the next. As bad as I hate to admit it, he's consistent and he's what we needed in that regard. Trump simply doesn't give a damn what anybody thinks of him. He's his own fan. And as unappealing as that is, it's kind of what we need too. He ran on a platform of several promises. And he's unapologetically and relentlessly worked to deliver on every one. And despite the largest pushback to a president's agenda in history, he hasn't backed down one bit. The media is RUTHLESS and despite his little twitter nonsense where he defends himself, he's proven that he has thick skin and he's also proven that he's probably more ruthless than the media. I don't know of another candidate who could bulldoze his way through the BS that he's had to push through. And I get the feeling he sleeps just fine at night. He's a flawed messenger of the American people. But he was elected because people saw that in him. And it might get him re-elected again. It's like me hiring someone to address a bully (the media). Welp, Trump was the bully we hired and he has't disappointed in that regard. So I think a lot of people recognize that you get the good with bad when you do that.
I don't just watch Fox News. Fox News is as bad as the rest of them.
And there is a big difference between reporting on something and it being the lead story. Of course other news casts are talking about vaccine progress in the fifth block of their shows, but it's not LEADING the broadcast...the lead slot is for reporting on case counts and how out of control they are, or on the latest "outrageous" thing Trump said.
And on Maroon Eagle's comment about Lewis dying, yes, that was big news, but a lot of newscasts didn't lead with that, either, although they dedicated a lot of time to it.
Lewis's death didn't dominate either? Shocking.
I'm not a TV viewer but do read news websites where that appeared to predominate.
I'm not a TV viewer but do read news websites where that appeared to predominate.
It was about a 1/3rd I think. Somewhere around 6200? I agree with where you are going. The burden of command... Those in charge should man up and take responsibility for this disaster. Has Cuomo admitted to any mistakes? Has anyone else admitted to any mistakes? Who's in charge of this shitshow? Who has total authority?
I disagree. I don't think anyone defended Mike Henig's passing stats, no matter who presented them
Well, 2.24% of New Yorkers have tested positive. 0.1675% of New Yorkers have died.
1.68% of Floridians have tested positive. 0.0236% have died.
Florida has done barely over half the amount of testing per capita of New York. 2.1 million fewer tests.
There are a bunch of angles to that data, but it's safe to say media would be fanning flames of daily riots in the streets had there been anywhere near that level of actual death and destruction in a Republican-led state.
Florida currently has slightly over half the per capita death rate statewide(not just those infected with COVID) as the US average. With some signs that it's rounding the corner as a hotspot. As it seems Texas and Arizona may also be. I think we see Mississippi being a week or two behind them.
1.68% of Floridians have tested positive. 0.0236% have died.
Florida has done barely over half the amount of testing per capita of New York. 2.1 million fewer tests.
There are a bunch of angles to that data, but it's safe to say media would be fanning flames of daily riots in the streets had there been anywhere near that level of actual death and destruction in a Republican-led state.
Florida currently has slightly over half the per capita death rate statewide(not just those infected with COVID) as the US average. With some signs that it's rounding the corner as a hotspot. As it seems Texas and Arizona may also be. I think we see Mississippi being a week or two behind them.
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Percentage is somewhere between 20-40%. 20% if you believe the state’s official reporting, which only includes patients that died in nursing home. It seems in the link below that up to 7,000 more patients that died in hospitals would have doubled the overall number to around 14,000 potentially, in which case it would be 40%.
https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/h...orted/71-6483dfbc-373f-4c06-82e3-7520be444e43
In any case, the national average is 42%, so even in a worse case New York would be right at about the same average as everywhere else. And there are still more people both getting the virus and dying from the virus that are not in LTC facilities than are...both in NY and elsewhere. So, I’m curious as to the point you are trying to make here. Presumably, a take on Cuomo’s flop with consolidating nursing home patients at the onset of the outbreak, which was a criticism that was well documented by multiple media outlets (for good reason). But it would appear that the long term ramifications of that move did not move the needle too much in terms of LTC deaths.
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I didn't say dominate.....as I said, a lot of time was dedicated to it. I said LEAD....the lead story was almost always spinning something Trump or someone in his administration said, or talking about covid "hotspots" in Florida and Texas.
The media intentionally took a comment that Kaleigh McEnany said on Friday out of context and that was the lead story for most of the weekend.
Easy Drebin. It's only Tuesday and these facts have a tendency to really ruin peoples' weeks.
You are severely understating the nursing home issue in NY. First of all, it was an exercise in gross negligence, and people died as a result. Second of all, it was totally preventable. Thirdly, it was not "well documented" by multiple news media. Most news outlets are hailing Cuomo for how he handled this crisis, despite obvious evidence that he 17ed it up severely. Anyone, including you, who states that nursing home deaths in NYC are at the "national average" is being intentionally dishonest about it.
Dobbs trying to be the Mississippi Fauci. According to an ICU nurse at Baptist, a positive test is a positive test and is counted as such, regardless of test subject or subjects testing history. Our state and his department can't even handle reporting correctly, you think they'd be able to tie together every single test taken by every single patient, including one-timers in drive-thru testing facilities? Get real. Because every single person who tests positive, regardless of hospital-stay or severity, is taking multiple tests before they can return to work/get released from hospital.
Well, if you want to look for a media conspiracy, I’m sure you’ll find one. I trust you can Google well enough to find many folks condemning Cuomo’s actions, as I just did and have done multiple times. I’m sorry if its not from the publications you evidently want to see it from, I suppose?
And if I’m being “intentionally dishonest” about the NYC nursing home death rate, why in the hell did I go out of my way to link an article that insinuates the death rate is double what the state is officially reporting? What do you think the current percentage is, and can you support it with a link from a valid source? You’re throwing out a whole lot of accusations without providing any data of your own.
I reacted to you calling the percentage of nursing home deaths in NYC as in line with the "national average." It's dishonest and misleading, and everyone here knows it.
And sure, you can find some articles holding Cuomo accountable on Google. They're mostly from conservative news outlets. I almost fell out of my chair last week when Jake Tapper actually criticized Cuomo for taking victory laps on the virus - because it is so out of character for anyone in the mainstream media to do that.
Approximately 40% of all covid deaths in this country are nursing home deaths. And of that number, almost a fourth of those are NY/NJ nursing homes. I'd call that disproportionate. And there's a lot of skepticism about NY's numbers...that they're actually much worse than what's been reported.
And sure, you can find some articles holding Cuomo accountable on Google. They're mostly from conservative news outlets. I almost fell out of my chair last week when Jake Tapper actually criticized Cuomo for taking victory laps on the virus - because it is so out of character for anyone in the mainstream media to do that.
Approximately 40% of all covid deaths in this country are nursing home deaths. And of that number, almost a fourth of those are NY/NJ nursing homes. I'd call that disproportionate. And there's a lot of skepticism about NY's numbers...that they're actually much worse than what's been reported.
that's nothing new. not just covid. people and governments have been using stats, maps, and etc to lie to tell an agenda for millennia. only show what they want to show. not telling the whole truth. or telling their truth.
Wouldn't that be a great issue to investigate and write about?
For each individual hospital (or state), how is the virus data being collected, tabulated and reported?
I'll bet the investigator would be shocked at all of the BS currently happening with the virus data.
It's too bad we don't have a good journalist to report on this issue.
The two state's are headed in the complete opposite direction. Florida's current hospitalization rate is 13X hire than New York's. Keep in mind, in late May the two states were average roughly the same number of daily positive tests (though NY was doing 2X or 3X more testing). Florida's have exploded since then, NY's have continued to trend down.
Just to tie a bow on this, 7/20's positive test rate %:
NY - 1.05%
FL - 20.9%
Just to tie a bow on this, 7/20's positive test rate %:
NY - 1.05%
FL - 20.9%
CNN has been talking about the vaccine as a lead on almost every show for the past few days.
Deaths per million...
NY 1675
FL 242
If NY had no more deaths from COVID and FL continued at their current 7-day avg (114 deaths), it would take ~ 278 days for Florida to catch NY in deaths per million.
Do it.
I would guess that there are MANY voters that feel the same way . . . and that's one of the reasons that Trump is going to win.
But it’s the rate of change that is crucial
NY going from 300 deaths/day to 297 deaths/day is a decrease. Florida going from 13 deaths/day to 14 deaths/day is an increase. Decreasing deaths is obviously better than increasing deaths!!!!
(Numbers made up to highlight the absurdity of praising NY)
NY going from 300 deaths/day to 297 deaths/day is a decrease. Florida going from 13 deaths/day to 14 deaths/day is an increase. Decreasing deaths is obviously better than increasing deaths!!!!
(Numbers made up to highlight the absurdity of praising NY)
Today will confirm if we hit the turning point in Texas. Numbers started flattening on Thursday and Friday and we down over the weekend. If they stay below that 8000-8500 case range today it would seem to suggest this is the case. For those wondering, the curve flattened exactly 2 weeks after the bars were closed, restaurant capacity was reduced back to 50%, and the statewide mask order was issued.
I don't know how well the restaurants and bars have complied, but I can say that mask usage was probably 40-50% prior to the 4th of July weekend and is currently in the 90%+ range over the last week or two. There may be a lot of potential reasons why the daily cases are turning the corner, but Occam's razor would suggest masks make a difference.
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/07/20/unt-researchers-mask-mandates-slow-spread-coronavirus/
I don't know how well the restaurants and bars have complied, but I can say that mask usage was probably 40-50% prior to the 4th of July weekend and is currently in the 90%+ range over the last week or two. There may be a lot of potential reasons why the daily cases are turning the corner, but Occam's razor would suggest masks make a difference.
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/07/20/unt-researchers-mask-mandates-slow-spread-coronavirus/
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You're right. I'm the one saying dominate.
Considering Trump is POTUS, it makes sense he'd often be lead if only because of his job.
Considering Trump is POTUS, it makes sense he'd often be lead if only because of his job.
Hell, everyone is already dead or cured in NY. Or in FL.
FL is a retirement state like no other and it's hitting those places like The Villages hard this round.
This is happening in Georgia.
My father was COVID positive and was admitted to the VA hospital. He could not be released until he received 2 negative test results. They only did tests once per week. While in the hospital, he recorded 4-5 positive test results (he was in over a month). All results are counted in the aggregate statistics.
He was in the COVID ward, so no one could visit him. He was all alone for 5+ weeks, except for Dr.'s and Nurses who rarely attended - and they were dressed in protective suits, mask, shield, etc.
My father was COVID positive and was admitted to the VA hospital. He could not be released until he received 2 negative test results. They only did tests once per week. While in the hospital, he recorded 4-5 positive test results (he was in over a month). All results are counted in the aggregate statistics.
He was in the COVID ward, so no one could visit him. He was all alone for 5+ weeks, except for Dr.'s and Nurses who rarely attended - and they were dressed in protective suits, mask, shield, etc.
I tend to listen to what the people who actually tally the figures say, not what an RN in Brookhaven says.
He said it yesterday in fact. He said don't listen to the conspiracy theories. People have gone stark raving nuts.
Even if people were being double counted, I don't think it would really affect the numbers that much. With that said, there's zero chance that he combed through every retest. If Florida can make a mistake on who actually tested positive, I guarantee you we can screw up too. Again though, I don't think it would affect overall numbers much. Our data isn't infallible though.
Looks right. Hopefully FL and TX are able to get a handle on the outbreak in the coming weeks and show a similar decline as NY.
BTW, that increasing trend on the orange and red bars are why the SEC season is in so much jeopardy right now.
BTW, that increasing trend on the orange and red bars are why the SEC season is in so much jeopardy right now.
I wonder what Florida would look like if the virus had infected 5-10% of the population before there were any tests or anyone had a clue on how to treat patients properly? Not to mention the duck. Every known study on human coronaviruses show it follows the timeline of influenza in that it thrives in cold weather.
The media is obviously biased and alarmist. NY did not do a good job and the nursing home debacle should be universally condemned, but NY and in particular NYC was also the guinea pig. Nobody should get close to that level of failure going forward. But comparing NY and FLA death rates is silly. It's like comparing stats from a baseball player in A ball and the big leagues. Yes its technically still professional baseball, but its a poor comparison.
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The media is obviously biased and alarmist. NY did not do a good job and the nursing home debacle should be universally condemned, but NY and in particular NYC was also the guinea pig. Nobody should get close to that level of failure going forward. But comparing NY and FLA death rates is silly. It's like comparing stats from a baseball player in A ball and the big leagues. Yes its technically still professional baseball, but its a poor comparison.
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