So what's still missing?

[00Dawg]

Aside from the Tunsil draft night revelations, what did you expect to be in the NOA that wasn't?
There's no sign of burner phones in there.
One of the prospects who received benefits might be Bo Scarborough, or it might not.
What else?


For me, it's not a particular accusation missing, but an expected self-imposed penalty: vacated wins. They have to know the NCAA is going to require them to surrender the games played in by the 2010 ACT prospects, just like they did ULL. The "we checked with the ACT folks" excuse won't cut it.

Having skimmed through the allegations and response, I also have to ask how Harris still has a job. He should've made an easy sacrificial lamb.

 

[AlCoDog]

Because Harris could roll on their ***.

 

[coach66]

My guy believes the NCAA wanted to see how Ole Miss would respond and how

coming they would be. Based on that they will formulate another letter with additional issues for Ole Miss to address due to some of their responses. Just reporting what I'm am hearing, have know I idea if true.

 

[PopeCourtland]

Can't link from my phone but Robby Donoho from WCBI got this from NCAA "NCAA commended Ole Miss on cooperation: "The institution was actively engaged and provided enforcement staff w/ valuable assistance."... So take it for what it's worth or w/e

 

[coach66]

understood, just passing along another point of view.

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[PopeCourtland]

Understand.. I was doing the same.

 

[Mjoelner]

Was wondering if paying a recruit to NOT take an official visit to a particular school was in there. It isn't, it happened, our coaches know.

 

[Digging dog]

My source****. Said look for a plaintiff lawyer in Jackson to be named as well. Allegedly the "investor" in Tunsil who got cut out of the payoff when Tunsil signed with Miami.

 

[coach66]

How many booster were asked to stand down in this initial letter/

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[121Josey]

Can't link from my phone but Robby Donoho from WCBI got this from NCAA "NCAA commended Ole Miss on cooperation: "The institution was actively engaged and provided enforcement staff w/ valuable assistance."... So take it for what it's worth or w/e

What else did you think the NCAA would say publicly other than "No comment"? Not saying it's not true, just saying that it's not relevant.

 

[PopeCourtland]

Very true.. Just posting what I saw.

 

[PopeCourtland]

Seriously.. Amidst all this ****.. We paid a recruit for something like that? You can't really believe that.

 

[Shmuley]

Interesting. I'm curious. How would one go about contacting said plaintiff's lawyer? Would one make one call? And that's all?

 

[Digging dog]

Interesting. I'm curious. How would one go about contacting said plaintiff's lawyer? Would one make one call? And that's all?

It's not one of the lawyers that everybody is familiar with.
Much stronger allegiance (if you will) to the school. May have even played football there too.

 

[coach66]

Does his first name start with a C and his last name start with a P?

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[katfsh]

OR R and K

 

[Digging dog]

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Nope

 

[Digging dog]

Could start with. J though.

 

[AlCoDog]

Did he and Archie ever do any "trading?"

 

[Mjoelner]

I'll only believe it if Bjork or Freeze say it didn't happen.....oh wait....

 

[Digging dog]

95

 

[FQDawg]

OM paying someone to not visit another school is very believable...

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[drail14me]

Can't link from my phone but Robby Donoho from WCBI got this from NCAA "NCAA commended Ole Miss on cooperation: "The institution was actively engaged and provided enforcement staff w/ valuable assistance."... So take it for what it's worth or w/e

That vergabe is a direct quote from the NOA. It's towards the end just under

"A pattern of noncompliance with-in the sport programs involved. NCAA Bylaw 19.9.3-(k) (2015-16)]The violations detailed in Allegation Nos. 1 through 13 involve eight Level I and two Level II violations. These alleged violations occurred over a four-year time period and involve two different coaching staffs. Additionally, these alleged violations involve unethical conduct, fraudulence in connection with college entrance exams, substantial or extensive recruiting inducements and extra benefits and impermissible conduct by representatives of the institution's athletics interests."

So, take that "Commended" with a grain of salt. Or, see it as the NCAA bowing down and letting Ole Miss skate!

 

[lasher8]

J. M.

Nope

 

[Digging dog]

J. M.

Bingo

 

[tatedog]

When they were talking about cooperation, they were probably referring to Lindsey Miller.

 

[tatedog]

What else did you think the NCAA would say publicly other than "No comment"? Not saying it's not true, just saying that it's not relevant.

If the NCAA had any sense of humor they would say that Ole Miss isn't allowing them to comment further at this time.

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

Seriously.. Amidst all this ****.. We paid a recruit for something like that? You can't really believe that.

Well according to the NOA, several of these blatant level one violations occurred while the program was already under NCAA investigation... So yes, I can really believe that people in the UM program would do that.

A lot of the message board rumors about all this may or may not be true- but given what has already come out in the NOA, there is very little that would surprise me at this point.

 

[tatedog]

It's hilarious how quickly we've gone from "they've got nothing on us" to "our cheating is way beyond that level."

 

[121Josey]

Lying to the NCAA. Track and WBB got accused of it but not football.

 

[patdog]

The NCAA commended SMU for it's cooperation with the investigation back in the 1980s too. Right before it rejected SMU's self-imposed suspension of 2 non-conference games for 2 years (4 games total) and suspended the entire 1987 season plus all 4 non-conference games for 1988.

 

[DerHntr]

I'm surprised no coaches were fired in football. From the Oxford Eagle article on the NOA:

"Ole Miss parted ways with its former women’s basketball and track coaches once violations were found to have been committed. Women’s basketball coach Adrian Wiggins along with assistants Kim and Michael Landers were fired in 2012 before Wiggins ever coached a game for academic misconduct and impermissible recruiting practices. Brian O’Neal mutually agreed with the school to resign as head track coach last summer."

The phrase "once violations were found to have been committed" is the most important. OM agreed that violations were committed in football in the NOA response. These violations were equally or more severe than WBB and Track. How long have they known that the violations were definitely committed? Why didn't they take more timely action?

We all know there is a different standard for football at all schools, but this is blatant. They needed the extra time to continue lying to recruits so that they could win the recruiting championship again. Firing a coach would have let the cat out of the bag too early.

 

[Xenomorph]

Nobody in the athletic department has the moral high ground to fire anybody in the football program. If I'm an assistant AD or coach and the head guy pink slips me, all I gotta say is Hey baby... I go, we go.

 

[bocephus.sixpack]

When they were talking about cooperation, they were probably referring to Lindsey Miller.

My question is this. Did they self-report like we did? Or, did they cooperate after their *** was in a sling? Huge difference.

 

[121Josey]

Doesn't "not part of the fact finding process" mean fired?**

ETA: Women's sports' coaches don't make ~$5M/yr.

 

[DancingRabbit]

Saunders and Vaughn are both charged with lying to the NCAA.

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[RocketDawg]

Bingo

James Meredith? **

 

[MaroonNation]

Can't link from my phone but Robby Donoho from WCBI got this from NCAA "NCAA commended Ole Miss on cooperation: "The institution was actively engaged and provided enforcement staff w/ valuable assistance."... So take it for what it's worth or w/e

Most people on death row act commendedly too when their time is drawing to a close. Most prisons even give them a huge feast. Then the morning comes and the inmate has to pay for his worldly sins.































Your gallows await...

 

[dawgoneyall]

Seriously.. Amidst all this ****.. We paid a recruit for something like that? You can't really believe that.

Do what?!