So Tater Tot's order yesterday.............

[SirBarksalot]

THOSE are your sources? REALLY? Are we going to the Rose Bowl this year? By the way, I pay that too. They don't know anything real yet either, and I'm talking about Tate and Cohen. We will plan to do it, but that call likely won't be made for real till near the end of next month. It can still happen, if you look up the page and actually read and understand what I wrote, which you never do, you will see I still think it's more likely we play than not. It's not a sure thing by any means though. It will depend on how things go between now and then.

im amazed that people still pay for “inside information “ in 2020...

 

[SirBarksalot]

This is hilarious. College football is happening. Anyone claiming “NoThInG hAs BeEn DeCiDeD” is clueless about the economics of the situation. We are playing because it’s dangerous to zero % of the people playing the game and the people in charge know that. They aren’t going to come out and call people like the resident coronabro an idiot. They are going to pacify them until the last minute and then they are going to play like they knew they would for the past 4 months.

To what extent do you see the fall football season being played? Fans, no fans, mostly full,schedule..etc.
I might be willing to wager with you depending on your criteria..just for fun.

 

[patdog]

We're a month out and we've already seen several games cancelled and no conference has come out with anything even close to resembling any kind of a plan to play. The NFL has just cancelled the preseason. I've been sounding the alarm for 4 months now, and I'm no more optimistic now than I was then. We'll be damn lucky to have any kind of football season at all, and if we do, it's going to be very limited and with no fans.

 

[campshelbydog842003]

To what extent do you see the fall football season being played? Fans, no fans, mostly full,schedule..etc.
I might be willing to wager with you depending on your criteria..just for fun.

The SEC will play at a minimum a conference schedule and we will have a minimum of 20-25 % capacity in our stadium. Name the bet. I tried to bet this earlier in the summer and the people that are wringing their hands would not do it because they simply don’t believe the retarded nonsensical garbage they put on here but they sure do like to talk.

 

[dog12]

Once again, I am on record above as saying it's more likely we play than not. Anyone that says it's a sure thing RIGHT NOW either way doesn't have a clue. That decision has not been made and won't be made for a few more weeks. There is no doubt that they intend to play. If they can the will. I'm sure they are watching baseball very, very closely. They are the only one not attempting a bubble type approach of some kind. That's the only possible route for college sports.

So . . . college football will be played . . . or, maybe it won't.

You're really going out on a limb with your position on the record. ***

 

[johnson86-1]

You know they have done this before? Right?

And yet they still do phase III trials and sometimes take years to get from completion of Phase III to market (Gardasil I think had completed Phase III trials in 2005 and didn't get FDA approavl until 2010).

And you obviously don't know why that ask you about being allergic to eggs if you get a flu shot (hint it's where they grow the virus they inject into you) It's actually a State secret where we get all the eggs.

I knew why it was asked, but I have not been asked the last time or two I've gotten a flu shot. I assume that's b/c not all flu shots are produced that way anymore and wasn't sure if that was still a common method.

They use the same process for MMR, Yellow Fever, and Rabies...

One of the Covid phase 3 trials is using the type of vaccine we developed for Ebola and Hepatitis,

No, I think you are an Anti_Vaxxer. The CDC usually takes years because it's expensive to research vaccines that's why there is not a vaccine for SARS, we (the USA) stopped funding it in 2016.... and People like you think the government can run on pennies because "there is so much corruption".

And with CoVID, there are BILLIONS invested and Trillions at stake for getting a vaccine fast....

The cost to research vaccines has nothing to do with why it takes so long to get from initiating Phase III vaccines to market. Some of it surely is government being government, but again, even as someone skeptical of government, I think you are going a little conspiracy theory'ish to think that the FDA is lying when they say they are looking at safety and efficacy in phase III trials. We will presumably fast track vaccine approval and probably issue some emergency use authorizations for the most at risk populations, but college athletes in general probably won't be covered by those. We obviously give vaccines to healthy people all the time, so it's not like it's some impossible hurdle to cross; I'm just not sure it's going to be crossed by the spring. Maybe they can justify it based not on the benefit to the college age students, but based on the benefit to elderly and immunocompromised that don't have a strong response to the vaccine. Not sure how the FDA looks at the ethics of that.

 

[fishwater99]

Because I pay 9.99 a month for sources who talk directly to our AD which talk directly to our governor. For 9.99 a month you can know what’s going on as well.

lol. Wow...

 

[L4Dawg]

im amazed that people still pay for “inside information “ in 2020...

Yeah, I don't know why I do it still. I don't pay much attention to them anymore.

 

[L4Dawg]

This is hilarious. College football is happening. Anyone claiming “NoThInG hAs BeEn DeCiDeD” is clueless about the economics of the situation. We are playing because it’s dangerous to zero % of the people playing the game and the people in charge know that. They aren’t going to come out and call people like the resident coronabro an idiot. They are going to pacify them until the last minute and then they are going to play like they knew they would for the past 4 months.

There is more to the economics than just the direct impact of football games. That is such a narrow and fearful view.

 

[L4Dawg]

And yet they still do phase III trials and sometimes take years to get from completion of Phase III to market (Gardasil I think had completed Phase III trials in 2005 and didn't get FDA approavl until 2010).

I knew why it was asked, but I have not been asked the last time or two I've gotten a flu shot. I assume that's b/c not all flu shots are produced that way anymore and wasn't sure if that was still a common method.

The cost to research vaccines has nothing to do with why it takes so long to get from initiating Phase III vaccines to market. Some of it surely is government being government, but again, even as someone skeptical of government, I think you are going a little conspiracy theory'ish to think that the FDA is lying when they say they are looking at safety and efficacy in phase III trials. We will presumably fast track vaccine approval and probably issue some emergency use authorizations for the most at risk populations, but college athletes in general probably won't be covered by those. We obviously give vaccines to healthy people all the time, so it's not like it's some impossible hurdle to cross; I'm just not sure it's going to be crossed by the spring. Maybe they can justify it based not on the benefit to the college age students, but based on the benefit to elderly and immunocompromised that don't have a strong response to the vaccine. Not sure how the FDA looks at the ethics of that.

Several of the vaccines are already in mass production or about to be on the chance that they are shown to be safe and effective. That isn't done much at all, if ever. Money is no object here.

 

[L4Dawg]

So . . . college football will be played . . . or, maybe it won't.

You're really going out on a limb with your position on the record. ***

That's because there is no way to know right now. If you say flat out one way or the other at this time you are a fool. I'm watching MLB right now for a clue. Their plan is the closest of the sports to start back so far to what the college plan will have to be.

 

[johnson86-1]

Interesting Draft order
I'll go My family, the people at HEB by my house, then I'll auction off the rest like a good capitalist...

A good capitalist would make his family bid on it just like the rest.**

 

[L4Dawg]

2 weeks of military training is not nearly as important as the economic impact on Starkville and every other city that will shut down and turn into a ghost town of football season were to be cancelled. The fact that you think annual training is anywhere near that impactful tells me you do not in fact know anything about the military.

Football is 6 weekends a year. There are 52 of them. If that is make or break then...........What REALLY makes a difference in a college town is the students being back on campus. They are going to spend way more money than you are overall in Starkville. If the students don't come back then there really is a problem for college towns. Don't think that isn't being considered here. A football crowd would be a prime seeding event for a major outbreak on campus. The students being sent home would be a lot worse than losing 6 football crowds economically, and for a LOT more businesses than just the hospitality ones. It would also hurt the university a LOT more. You have to look beyond just what YOU want.

 

[patdog]

I can guarantee you if we don't get the hospitalization and ICU numbers from the virus down by a month from now there won't be any fans in the stands.

 

[SheltonChoked]

The SEC will play at a minimum a conference schedule and we will have a minimum of 20-25 % capacity in our stadium. Name the bet. I tried to bet this earlier in the summer and the people that are wringing their hands would not do it because they simply don’t believe the retarded nonsensical garbage they put on here but they sure do like to talk.

Minimum 8 games with a 13,000 person crowd for all of them?

And everyone plays all 8?

What terms?

 

[johnson86-1]

Several of the vaccines are already in mass production or about to be on the chance that they are shown to be safe and effective. That isn't done much at all, if ever. Money is no object here.

And that will reduce the time to get it to people after approval. But unless we are ready to admit that the FDA isn't doing anything valuable after Phase III trials, then we shouldn't expect athletes to get the vaccine in the spring, much less early enough in the spring to have college sports. I mean, it's the government, so maybe they are doing nothing but being obstructionist after Phase III trials are complete, or maybe they will just rush the vaccine out because of politics without regard to safety, but giving them just a little bit of credit and expecting them to act reasonably in good faith, we probably won't see approval for low risk people in the spring.

AGain, with the caveat that unless there is a vaccine that is extremely similar to one that has already been through Phase III trials that they have good reason to believe poses virtually zero additional risk from the modifications.

 

[L4Dawg]

And that will reduce the time to get it to people after approval. But unless we are ready to admit that the FDA isn't doing anything valuable after Phase III trials, then we shouldn't expect athletes to get the vaccine in the spring, much less early enough in the spring to have college sports. I mean, it's the government, so maybe they are doing nothing but being obstructionist after Phase III trials are complete, or maybe they will just rush the vaccine out because of politics without regard to safety, but giving them just a little bit of credit and expecting them to act reasonably in good faith, we probably won't see approval for low risk people in the spring.

AGain, with the caveat that unless there is a vaccine that is extremely similar to one that has already been through Phase III trials that they have good reason to believe poses virtually zero additional risk from the modifications.

This isn't a normal situation. Surely you realize that by now.

 

[campshelbydog842003]

Minimum 8 games with a 13,000 person crowd for all of them?

And everyone plays all 8?

What terms?

Any game in our state will have at least 13K fans (allowed) and 8 games is fine. I don't know what a state like KY (or any other besides our) will do. You name the terms.

 

[campshelbydog842003]

Football is 6 weekends a year. There are 52 of them. If that is make or break then...........What REALLY makes a difference in a college town is the students being back on campus. They are going to spend way more money than you are overall in Starkville. If the students don't come back then there really is a problem for college towns. Don't think that isn't being considered here. A football crowd would be a prime seeding event for a major outbreak on campus. The students being sent home would be a lot worse than losing 6 football crowds economically, and for a LOT more businesses than just the hospitality ones. It would also hurt the university a LOT more. You have to look beyond just what YOU want.

Football is 7 weekends a year, baseball is about 15 weekends a year, basketball is however many weekends a year. Sports in general at MSU (or any other major college town) is a HUGE economic impact. The kids being back is a whataboutism that has nothing to do with my point. Of course they need to be back to help the economy. They are also a large piece of the puzzle. What I want and what needs to happen economically for millions of people to not lose jobs happens to be the same thing.

 

[johnson86-1]

This isn't a normal situation. Surely you realize that by now.

This isn't a normal situation, but it's also not the black death. If the IFR were say 3%, then maybe you roll the dice on a vaccine that we're not sure about the complications on and give it to anybody and everybody as quickly as we can manufacture it.

For an IFR of .4% and that has most of its mortality come from identifiable populations, it's not going to make sense to vaccinate a lot of healthy, low risk people without determining the likelihood of adverse effects, unless we are willing to admit that we are normally wayyyy too cautious with approvals of drugs and vaccines.

The case fatality rate in Mississippi for 18-29 years olds is 0.087%. So not quite 9 out of 10,000 confirmed cases die. Depending on what percentage of cases you think Mississippi catches in that age group, that's somewhere between .01 and .05 IFR for people that age, or maybe less if you think a disproportionate number of 18-29 years olds are asymptomatic. That's a pretty serious disease. I certainly don't want any of my kids facing a 1 in 10,000 chance of dying. But that's also for all 18-29 year olds in possibly the unhealthiest state in the nation. If you limit it to college athletes, you're probably looking at dropping that by an order of magnitude maybe? Certainly you're getting to the levels where even pretty rare adverse effects can equal any benefit from reducing the chances of getting infected to begin with.

 

[SheltonChoked]

And that will reduce the time to get it to people after approval. But unless we are ready to admit that the FDA isn't doing anything valuable after Phase III trials, then we shouldn't expect athletes to get the vaccine in the spring, much less early enough in the spring to have college sports. I mean, it's the government, so maybe they are doing nothing but being obstructionist after Phase III trials are complete, or maybe they will just rush the vaccine out because of politics without regard to safety, but giving them just a little bit of credit and expecting them to act reasonably in good faith, we probably won't see approval for low risk people in the spring.

AGain, with the caveat that unless there is a vaccine that is extremely similar to one that has already been through Phase III trials that they have good reason to believe poses virtually zero additional risk from the modifications.

It's not that the FDA "doesn't do anything" but due to budget cuts, limited manpower, and the President's focus on stopping vaping, normal approvals take time.

Covid does not have those limits.

Also, there is a "Expedited Programs for SeriousConditions" https://www.fda.gov/files/drugs/pub...or-Serious-Conditions-Drugs-and-Biologics.pdf. Maybe, they will use that....

And have a vaccine in the spring for the most important people in the USA, per this thread, College athletes.

 

[SheltonChoked]

This isn't a normal situation, but it's also not the black death. If the IFR were say 3%, then maybe you roll the dice on a vaccine that we're not sure about the complications on and give it to anybody and everybody as quickly as we can manufacture it.

For an IFR of .4% and that has most of its mortality come from identifiable populations, it's not going to make sense to vaccinate a lot of healthy, low risk people without determining the likelihood of adverse effects, unless we are willing to admit that we are normally wayyyy too cautious with approvals of drugs and vaccines.

The case fatality rate in Mississippi for 18-29 years olds is 0.087%. So not quite 9 out of 10,000 confirmed cases die. Depending on what percentage of cases you think Mississippi catches in that age group, that's somewhere between .01 and .05 IFR for people that age, or maybe less if you think a disproportionate number of 18-29 years olds are asymptomatic. That's a pretty serious disease. I certainly don't want any of my kids facing a 1 in 10,000 chance of dying. But that's also for all 18-29 year olds in possibly the unhealthiest state in the nation. If you limit it to college athletes, you're probably looking at dropping that by an order of magnitude maybe? Certainly you're getting to the levels where even pretty rare adverse effects can equal any benefit from reducing the chances of getting infected to begin with.

Nope. Like you said, the economic impact of no college sports is too great. Have to vaccinate the college athletes first.

 

[SheltonChoked]

Any game in our state will have at least 13K fans (allowed) and 8 games is fine. I don't know what a state like KY (or any other besides our) will do. You name the terms.

All 8 games played in the fall of 2020, with at least 13,000 paying fans.

Deal

Loser votes for Biden and leaves the board.

 

[L4Dawg]

Football is 7 weekends a year, baseball is about 15 weekends a year, basketball is however many weekends a year. Sports in general at MSU (or any other major college town) is a HUGE economic impact. The kids being back is a whataboutism that has nothing to do with my point. Of course they need to be back to help the economy. They are also a large piece of the puzzle. What I want and what needs to happen economically for millions of people to not lose jobs happens to be the same thing.

I realize you want to only consider your wants, but the students being back is what will make or break most businesses in college towns. The students being back is THE most important part of this. You are not going to see full crowds for a while. It won't be allowed but even if it is they will be down. Your negative economic impact from game crowds is going to be there this academic year no matter what. Get the students back in town and most businesses will survive. Don't and few of them will.

 

[campshelbydog842003]

I realize you want to only consider your wants, but the students being back is what will make or break most businesses in college towns. The students being back is THE most important part of this. You are not going to see full crowds for a while. It won't be allowed but even if it is they will be down. Your negative economic impact from game crowds is going to be there this academic year no matter what. Get the students back in town and most businesses will survive. Don't and few of them will.

The majority of restaurants and hotels will not survive without sports. Period. You live in an alternate reality.

 

[L4Dawg]

The majority of restaurants and hotels will not survive without sports. Period. You live in an alternate reality.

Hopefully we won't find out. The students spend more money at most of the restaurants, and nearly all of the other businesses in town. The hotels are a different story. Again, all you are looking at is sports. There is more to a college town and it's economics than sports. The students are the heart of it. Do you seriously think the crowds are going to be the same? Even if it's allowed they won't be.

 

[campshelbydog842003]

All 8 games played in the fall of 2020, with at least 13,000 paying fans.

Deal

Loser votes for Biden and leaves the board.

I will vote for Biden if I lose if you will vote for Trump when you lose. I'm not taking the deal unless you agree to that. When you lose you can't create a new screen name and reemerge. That will be the gentleman's agreement.

 

[campshelbydog842003]

Hopefully we won't find out. The students spend more money at most of the restaurants, and nearly all of the other businesses in town. The hotels are a different story. Again, all you are looking at is sports. There is more to a college town and it's economics than sports. The students are the heart of it. Do you seriously think the crowds are going to be the same? Even if it's allowed they won't be.

Any non chain won't make it without sports. I'm not just looking at sports. I have also pointed out that we need students to be there. We need both to not lose millions of jobs across the country (but especially in the SE where sports are the main attraction at otherwise smaller towns). I don't know why you keep bringing this up when I'm agreeing with your point.

 

[SheltonChoked]

I will vote for Biden if I lose if you will vote for Trump when you lose. I'm not taking the deal unless you agree to that. When you lose you can't create a new screen name and reemerge. That will be the gentleman's agreement.

Deal

 

[L4Dawg]

Any non chain won't make it without sports. I'm not just looking at sports. I have also pointed out that we need students to be there. We need both to not lose millions of jobs across the country (but especially in the SE where sports are the main attraction at otherwise smaller towns). I don't know why you keep bringing this up when I'm agreeing with your point.

Again the students being there will make or break the ones that will survive. If they are depending on six weekends of football to survive, they weren't gong to make it any way.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

Bumping a month-old thread for some captain obvious ****.

Put respirator back on and return to mom's basement.
Sick man.

 

[L4Dawg]

Bumping a month-old thread for some captain obvious ****.

Put respirator back on and return to mom's basement.
Sick man.

Only if you vacate it first. I'm a responsible business owner. I'm sure you are on the dole, either publicly or privately.

 

[L4Dawg]

Any game in our state will have at least 13K fans (allowed) and 8 games is fine. I don't know what a state like KY (or any other besides our) will do. You name the terms.

Well, you lost. Big time before the season ever started.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

Ok big business.
If I were your employee I'd hate to face the future stuck working for a Barney Fife gloom and doom, petty, thread-bumping, told-you-so negative infant who accuses a message board poster of living in his mom's basement, which, as long as you want to play that game, isn't the only space of hers I occupy.

 

[Felonious Junk]

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[softballfanatic1]

With the Marlin's news today, thinking we will have more than players families as fans at games is a dream. and even that is just a hope.

You might want to mentally prepare yourself for not having football....

You might be correct. Buuuuuuuut. If we have football this year will you agree to admit that Biden is a kid sniffing demented fool?

 

[CoastDawg18]

We are going to play football this year and we are going to have fans. The fact that you still haven't been able to figure this out yet is mind boggling. Our governor is not going to stop SEC football.

Dude, what the hell?! You said you lost a bet and were leaving. Why are you here continuing to tell people they are idiots for speculating that we will not have football. I thought you were gone and voting for Biden.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Thanks for reviving this long *** dead thread.