Sit or Carter

Which QB do you want to start vs MASS?


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RU848789

Heisman
Jul 27, 2001
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He should, if the stated goal is to develop a long term quarterback. Carter should contribute and play meaningful minutes. Why would we start over again next year looking for a QB?

Because Ash doesn't want to get fired this year and he knows Carter has more upside, which just might save his job if we can squeeze out 5 wins
 
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greenknight

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I know that you are saying this with a gleam in your eye.Our Coaches have yet to make good decisions in the past 3 years.
I disagree most of Ash's original staff is not here. So I say he is making the right decisions for RU....
 

MADHAT1

Heisman
Apr 1, 2003
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Don't care who starts , as long as they proved the best after practice was completed and season begins.
Just don't want Ash to get locked on who he names starter, just give Sit or Carter some leeway and keep or pull them according to how they handle the job.
If McNulty can't tell if the starter is over his head and needs to be replaced , John probably is the one over his head as a P-5 OC.
 

RU#1fan

Heisman
Mar 7, 2003
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Carter won the job at Texas Tech (a pass happy offense) before getting injured

Yes . He was going to be 3rd string this season at Texas Tech so he transferred out.
Hopefully the new opportunity at RU will reenergize him and led the team to some wins.
 

e5fdny

Heisman
Nov 11, 2002
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So until then...
 
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80yrdPacheco

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Personally I want Carter to start and for Sit to sit, and redshirt. I think Carter has swagger but I really want Art to get it togather.
 
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RUReady76

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Because Ash doesn't want to get fired this year and he knows Carter has more upside, which just might save his job if we can squeeze out 5 wins
Your approach is doomed for failure and does not provide a pathway to success. Having AS ready to go the next two years will provide the team with a far better chance of achieving success.
 

NickRU714

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Aug 18, 2009
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Are you saying 1-11 was a success?? Because that is what we got from Sit.

If you honestly expected a good season from a true freshman QB then you might be as delusional as Ash.

QBs generally need time to develop.
Rutgers isnt getting ready made freshman QBs.

Will Sit actually develop is another question but he needed at least a chance last year.
 
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RUReady76

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Are you saying 1-11 was a success?? Because that is what we got from Sit.
My comment did not state that last year was a success. My point was that if we continue to play AS this year, it would hopefully provide a better opportunity to be more competitive and successful over the next two years versus sitting him this year. I am unwilling to trade that opportunity for a few wins this year with Carter.
 

NickRU714

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My comment did not state that last year was a success. My point was that if we continue to play AS this year, it would hopefully provide a better opportunity to be more competitive and successful over the next two years versus sitting him this year. I am unwilling to trade that opportunity for a few wins this year with Carter.

What exactly would be the plan?
Play Carter and go 4-8? Then 2020 Sit is back with no more in game development.
Is Carter leading us to a bowl game in 2019?

This is the same as Gio last year.
Let's delay development for a 3-4 win season?

Ash caused this all with his terrible messaging of "2018 goal is a bowl game".
At some point you need to let a QB develop.
 

LotusAggressor_rivals

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Oct 11, 2003
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What exactly would be the plan?
Play Carter and go 4-8? Then 2020 Sit is back with no more in game development.
Is Carter leading us to a bowl game in 2019?

This is the same as Gio last year.
Let's delay development for a 3-4 win season?

Ash caused this all with his terrible messaging of "2018 goal is a bowl game".
At some point you need to let a QB develop.
At some point, a QB has to be taught to play the position.
 

WhiteBus

Heisman
Oct 4, 2011
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If you honestly expected a good season from a true freshman QB then you might be as delusional as Ash.

QBs generally need time to develop.
Rutgers isnt getting ready made freshman QBs.

Will Sit actually develop is another question but he needed at least a chance last year.
I didn't think he be top 10 in the country. And certainly never in my wildest nightmares think he would finish dead last in the country. In 2018 he was a million miles away from mediocre.
 

sct1111

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What exactly would be the plan?
Play Carter and go 4-8? Then 2020 Sit is back with no more in game development.
Is Carter leading us to a bowl game in 2019?

This is the same as Gio last year.
Let's delay development for a 3-4 win season?

Ash caused this all with his terrible messaging of "2018 goal is a bowl game".
At some point you need to let a QB develop.
What was the point in bringing in a grad transfer then? It should be the best man starts just like at any other position on the field. Development doesn't stop if he's not starting. It might even push him to get better for next year.
 

LotusAggressor_rivals

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Carter is going to be our Baker Mayfield duh lol. :Wink:

I didn't vote in the poll but I'll say this...I like that he was a KK qb recruit. There's a reason I was always coming up with those KK hypotheticals to be a possible candidate just before he got fired. The man knows qbs and can identify qbs with potential so I'll assume Carter has solid potential...just how much of it is realized and fulfilled here who the hell knows. I've barely seen the guy play so who the heck knows...it's just the KK "endorsement" that would make me think there must be some potential.

As to continuity, I've said before here too many take it as black and white and that it must be the embodiment of a single person. I don't see it that way.

IMO continuity is having an overarching theme and philosophy that's constant but can have tweaks here and there and doesn't necessarily have to be embodied in a singular entity. McNulty as the same OC but sounds like we're not going to be running the same offense as last year. Is that continuity even though the same OC is back?

I've mentioned this here before when people talk about our number of OCs over the years. Utah IIRC has had 9 OCs in 11 years and they've been humming along pretty okay to well for the most part. Whittingham is a defensive coach too but I'm guessing the overarching theme has been similar through those changes with personal variations. Same for Bob Stoops at OU who I've mentioned here as well....also a defensive coach. Influenced by his time under Spurrier and Florida he wanted a wide open capable of scoring offense. First year hired Mike Leach and he was there only for a year that's all. No continuity right? Nope that theme and what Leach laid the foundation for remained through I think maybe 6-7 coordinators during Stoops' tenure, some from within and it was humming pretty well on offense for the part.

That's my point it's the overarching theme and philosophy that needs continuity not particularly we need to have things embodied in a singular entity year to year.
Utah blocks people, their WRs catch the ball, and their QBs generally throw it to the correct team. That's what allows them to deal with OC turnover.
 

zappaa

Heisman
Jul 27, 2001
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What exactly would be the plan?
Play Carter and go 4-8? Then 2020 Sit is back with no more in game development.
Is Carter leading us to a bowl game in 2019?

This is the same as Gio last year.
Let's delay development for a 3-4 win season?

Ash caused this all with his terrible messaging of "2018 goal is a bowl game".
At some point you need to let a QB develop.
Why bother trying to develop a QB that can’t develop.
 

zappaa

Heisman
Jul 27, 2001
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If you honestly expected a good season from a true freshman QB then you might be as delusional as Ash.

QBs generally need time to develop.
Rutgers isnt getting ready made freshman QBs.

Will Sit actually develop is another question but he needed at least a chance last year.
Starting freshman QB’s that are good enough to win the job show flashes.
They mix WTF plays in with holy **** plays.
There are glimpses of greatness, coupled with obvious inexperience.
You can’t just literally stink the joint out all season long.
 

Knightmoves

Heisman
Jul 31, 2001
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16,390
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We have Carter for one season, Sit for 3 more.

No reason to sit Carter if he seems capable at QB. Didn’t we start Bolin from UL for 4-5 games?

Will be disappointed if Carter doesn’t start the season if healthy.
 
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Knight Shift

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We have Carter for one season, Sit for 3 more.

No reason to sit Carter if he seems capable at QB. Didn’t we start Bolin from UL for 4-5 games?

Will be disappointed if Carter doesn’t start the season if healthy.
Not to worry:
“He’s got some football savvy to him, some moxie out on the field where he can every now and then improvise when he needs to — and that’s really something that you can’t coach and teach,’’ Ash said. “You either have that or you don’t and he has some of that.’’

“I’m just a guy who wants to make plays,’’ Carter said. “I want to operate at a high level and if stuff breaks down I want to be able to make a play and maybe turn something out of nothing every now and then and just give them a second chance if it’s not there.’’

^^^^Sign me up, please.
 

RUScrew85

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Nov 7, 2003
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Offense will be much better this year I have alot of faith in McNulty. I think he is the main reason for change in OL coach. I think this staff needs 2 more yrs I think the coaches in place are light yrs ahead of where we started 3 yrs ago

He is NOT the main reason for the change in the OL coach. The OL coach had other prospects and coach Ash needed to make some changes. The move was offered by the OL coach and accepted as part of the staff "makeover".
 
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RUScrew85

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Proud, I rarely am a fan of firing coaches during a season, but if we are 0-5, then we can’t wait until December 1. Let McNulty, Camp, Schiano, Scott Goodale, Coach Pike, Nichols, Sarah, or The Scarlet Knight give it a try.

If we are 1-4 you should see the hammer drop.
 

RUScrew85

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Nov 7, 2003
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Lol nobody here actually knows anything about Carter. Same group that voted for Bolig years ago... “he’s super good but only didn’t start because he was behind a heisman trophy winner”

Sometimes a vote FOR someone is actually a vote AGAINST someone else.
 
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RUScrew85

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What exactly would be the plan?
Play Carter and go 4-8? Then 2020 Sit is back with no more in game development.
Is Carter leading us to a bowl game in 2019?

This is the same as Gio last year.
Let's delay development for a 3-4 win season?

Ash caused this all with his terrible messaging of "2018 goal is a bowl game".
At some point you need to let a QB develop.

Sit can progress during practice as a Red Shirt.
 

RUich

All-Conference
Aug 2, 2001
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I fully expect to see Sit start based on his experience as bad as it was. But, I don't want to see him still in there if he is not producing or throwing ints.
If Carter can perform, my guess is that we may well see a two-headed monster based on both performance and the opposition. Don't like this, but it may be the only way.
Sometimes, switching it up disrupts the defenses enough to get them to make a mistake. Then it is up to us to take advantage of it. We need to score points any way we can.
 

zappaa

Heisman
Jul 27, 2001
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IS that your knowedge or opinion.
Opinion.
But...it’s based on watching high level athletes, playing and following sports my entire life.

Never, have I seen a player performing at the elite level we play at, show no glimpses or promise of future success, and all of a sudden perform.

Name one player you’ve seen at RU that went on to have a fine career, whom you weren’t impressed with some aspect of their game from day one?

Have you seen one play...one!!! out of Melton or Art, where you said to yourself or the person sitting next to you... wow, now I get it?
 
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RU848789

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Jul 27, 2001
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Your approach is doomed for failure and does not provide a pathway to success. Having AS ready to go the next two years will provide the team with a far better chance of achieving success.
Sorry, I simply don't think there is any future for AS, so investing further in him is a waste, IMO. And Ash wants to keep his job, so Carter will start, as he gives us a better chance to win this year. He can worry about our next QB after this year, if he's still around.
 

zappaa

Heisman
Jul 27, 2001
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By the way, I was impressed with Teel’s ability to hit his first option from day one, despite his struggles.
Same with Nova.
It wasn’t much, but it was something
 

WhiteBus

Heisman
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By the way, I was impressed with Teel’s ability to hit his first option from day one, despite his struggles.
Same with Nova.
It wasn’t much, but it was something
Your last two post nailed it. I don't get where anyone can say Sit will get better. We haven't seen anything for him to build on. Nothing.
 

RUReady76

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Sorry, I simply don't think there is any future for AS, so investing further in him is a waste, IMO. And Ash wants to keep his job, so Carter will start, as he gives us a better chance to win this year. He can worry about our next QB after this year, if he's still around.
Pretty pathetic plan for both the near and far term. Do me a favor and route for another team.