Signing Day
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Coach Schiano almost always has some last minute kid switch from another school. Not sure if the two signing days changes things. I used to really look forward to today. The two days has taken a lot away.
Give Schiano time! He was just hired in early December which means recruiting was already behind. He is a damn fine coach and will coach up many of the signees.
I expect a significant uptick in quality recruiting next year for Rutgers given that he will have a full year to recruit. In the meantime, let’s let him work his coaching magic. He has done it before and will do it again.
I expect a significant uptick in quality recruiting next year for Rutgers given that he will have a full year to recruit. In the meantime, let’s let him work his coaching magic. He has done it before and will do it again.
I’m not going to pass judgement on Greg until at least next signing day for exactly that reason there wasn’t much time, however there’s been a lot of coaches lately that change jobs and bring some of their recruits with them or at least have an insider track on an uncommitted guy. One of my criticisms of the Greg hire was that he’s been out of coaching for over a year and hasn’t established those relationships with the current crop of Hs recruits. I hate bringing them up as a comparison but since they’re in the same conference and closest P5 school to us look at penn state and franklin when he was hired.... they guy had like 2 weeks before signing day and pulled off getting like 10 commits including trace mcsorely grant Haley and remember he stole Saeed Blacknall from us as well
PSU's football history on the field is a much different animal than ours, and one of the bigger reasons Blacknall ended up there was because it took us like 2 months hire an OC.
I'd hate to see what this class would have looked like if Coach Schiano wasn't hired. Actually, I know what it would look like- just look at the 'RU targets going elsewhere' thread on the RT and the various FCS and/ or G5 schools the kids ended up at.
Joe P.
Where we disagree is being all in on Greg. The guy I wanted Mike Houston would probably have brought with him his 4* QB recruit and no disrespect to our recruits but who really of note out of HS has greg brought in? Some of the transfers are nice but I do not put much stock into transfers, there's a reason they left their old schools, plus they have to learn a new system and only have 1-2 years of eligibility.
Time will tell, but my expectations for Greg next year is a top 50 recruiting class. I don't think that's unrealistic. Now it's time for him to go out and prove me wrong!
We are PUMPED!
I think this class that just signed is ranked 30th nationally including a 4 star QB from texass. We have a tough schedule next year including AT Notre Dame but hope springs eternal this time of year. Reality sets in by mid-October.
I like his attitude, the players like his honesty and personality. He is old school hit ‘em hard physically but Briles as OC is new age pass the damn ball and run when you can. We MIGHT win 3-4 next year but look out, we might get to 6 wins in 2 years. We can only hope years 3+ look better.
thanks for asking!
And we are REALLY excited about our basketball coach, Eric Mussellman.
and happy about the Scarlet Knights this year as well.
and happy about the Scarlet Knights this year as well.
Southern, from games I see on TV it seems Arkansas is more of a basketball than a football school. Would you agree with that ?
I believe the fans appreciate both, but basketball has caught fire this year. Bud Walton arena holds 19,000+ and has sold out quite a few times this year. I give props to our undersized but hardworking team and of course to the coaching staff.
Football fans will return when football returns to some semblance of a decent football team. I think we will turn attendance around within the next 2-3 years. A LOT of our football problems trace back to when Jeff Long was AD. He wanted, and received, a $100 million addition to the stadium and then raised ticket prices dramatically while stopping any future games from being played in Little Rock. All home games are now in Fayetteville. Plus, he alienated the fan base by his actions, or should I say inactions towards the booster clubs.
What really excites fans this time of year is the baseball team! With Coach Dave van Horn, we are always in the hunt for an SEC title and occasionally make the College World Series. It is not unheard of to have 15,000 at a baseball game. I think that is very special.
Like Rutgers, our football team has been in decline for some time......bad AD, poor coaching hires, lack of recruiting, etc........you know what I mean.
I am looking forward to a strong and productive rise back up the rankings for BOTH teams.
Is Greg’s honeymoon period nearing an end?
Almost no one expected him to bring in an impressive hs class of recruits in this class. Unfortunately this makes the challenge all the more difficult.
Agree with you that the next 2 hs recruiting classes are huge for Greg. If our recruiting is in the bottom four in the conference we will not gain ground, regardless of who comes in via the portal.
Precisely. You are never going to build a consistent winning program in this conference by relying on transfers to fill your roster. Granted this year is a bit different because there’s such a talent disparity between us and the rest of our conference, but moving forward if we’re going to be players in this conference and get back to consistent bowl games like we were, it’s all about the HS kids you bring in
Recruits don’t want to come to Rutgers, recruits want to go to Penn State. Schiano has to change their minds. What do you expect next year, 3-4 4 star recruits? It ain’t happening, it will take time to change their mindset that Rutgers can win again.
Oh I saw, big time get for us! Guys offer list is impressive. Hopefully we can land a few more and hang onto them until signing day!
Gotta look a little deeper at Greg's class and what he was trying to get done in the limited window he had, even though class ranked 13 in the Big, some clear goals achieved. Originally this class was slated to be somewhere around 13 to 16 recruits, Greg was able to expand this to 23 plus two counting towards 2021, he was able to counsel a number of players that were not BIG quality to transfer, not being disparaging but reviewing the landings spots for our transfers it is clear that Greg backfilled those slots with BIG ten capable transfer bodies so big upgrade, without reducing the number of true frosh. Retained the those in Ash's class that he wanted and clearly with the Fran Brown hire they secured a number of quality flips. One of the biggest overall upgrades was team speed and a number of big bodies to help with a serious deficient O & D line. this class will is not comparable with the classes from the top half of the league but realistically didn't think it was going to be and it remains to be seen how much help Greg was able to get with the flips and some of the under the radar adds. So probably, with maybe the exception of Berger as good as it could have been. Really the true talent upgrade starts with the class of 2021 and that's TBD
It'll be interesting to see just how pass happy the SEC West becomes. Briles at Arkansas, Leach at Miss State, Kiffin/Lebby (also a Briles guy actually Kendal's brother in law iirc) at Ole Miss and LSU most likely continuing what Brady started, Alabama chucks it around a good bit too....it'll be the B12 soon enough lol.
I think this is an extremely important result he obtained. It was reported that GS studied the roster thoroughly and knew who he wanted in and out. It appears this occurred and not by accident.
Yes it's a long build but I think competitiveness, the first step, may be coming.
so you want Greg to go out and prove you wrong that Greg can bring in a top 50 class, as you expect?
Hmmmm. Not sure if you are rooting for good ole Rutgers.
I am VERY encouraged by our new baseball HC, Steve Owens. 28 years as a HC (smaller programs) and ALL 28 seasons were winning seasons! We will improve noticeably this year (his first)!!
No my expectations for any coach we would have hired is a top 50 recruiting class year one. We are going to suck this year on the field and would suck with any coach in the country so I am not as focused on on field results year one of greg as much as his ability to recruit. Just because I don't have unrealistic goals of this being a quick turnaround doesn't make me not a fan of rutgers.
On the contrary I actually worry about the program moving forward if Greg isn't succesful simply because a lot of our fans have put all of their hope and stock of the resurgence of our program into him so what happens if he fails? Statistically head coaches have a far greater chance of failing than they do succeeding and they way some of our fan base has acted about Greg coming back would make you think the guy was Vince Lombardi. I've listed the reasons why I opposed the hiring back of greg many times but that's not what matters.
What concerns me is what will our fan interest look like if the one guy that many of our fans are calling our "savior" and our "last hope" fails? What happens then? It's not something I want to think about because I legitimately worry about the future of our program if he fails. To me it's like going to the roulette table and putting all of your money on Red. There's about a 50% chance that it hits and you just doubled up but there's also a 50% chance that black hits and you lose everything. What will happen to our donors and fans who are so married to greg as our coach if he fails? Do they just give up on the program?
Want to know what class would have looked like without Schiano, look at the pwo’s. They would have been scholarship offers.
See that's not accurate but whatever. This is the stuff that bother's me with our fans and greg. It's as if Rutgers cannot possibly be successful with any other coach ever because greg is the only guy who has won here. I refuse to believe that. I refuse to believe that the success of our football program is reliant on one person and no one else can be successful here. That's utter nonsense to me
I don't think anyone is saying that. What I think is that following the Flood and Ash tenures, someone like Schiano may be exactly what we needed at this time.
Joe P.
See I don't agree. After what we've gone through as a program the last person I would want to consider for a candidate as our HC is a guy who hasn't been a successful HC since 2011, embarrassed himself as an NFL coach after leaving us, bounced around analyst jobs for years before becoming a defensive coordinator for a team whose Defense statistically got better once he left....
Barchi: "So Pat, last time we hired a defensive coordinator from Ohio State to be our HC and he bombed so who should we replace him with?"
Hobbs: "Hmm, how about an Ohio State defensive coordinator?"
Barchi: "Great Idea!!!!"
Only Rutgers....
Do you realize how many times you use the word concern or worry? My best advice is take a few deep breaths and let’s see what Schiano and this staff can do. He hit the ground running, he has solid momentum but he has only been here two months, bro.
Schiano has two good QB recruits coming in. And I expect that by year 3 there will be significant on the field improvement.
Where in my post did I say another coach could not have been successful? Just look at Ash's classes and the number of recruits where we were either only P5 offer or only D1 offer.
What you said was ‘imagine what our class would have looked like without Greg’ implying that no coach could possibly come in and bring in some recruits and transfers the way Greg did and I simply don’t believe that. You mentioned Ash’s recruiting.... you realize we signed three 4* recruits his first cycle including the #1 recruit in the state (Clark).
time will tell, I hope to god I’m wrong on Greg 2.0.
Without Greg being hired when he was our class would have looked like the PWO we signed unless it was a big name coach (none of which were a possibility).
We will have to agree to disagree. There's no way to tell whether that's true or not. I personally believe my first choice of Hire, Mike Houston would have done a fine job filling the class but who knows and more importantly who cares at this point. We are married to Greg now for the foreseeable future and very honestly the next decade of rutgers football success will have a majority to do with what Greg is able (or not able) to accomplish these first 3 years.
My expectations are simple and I don't believe unrealistic. The first 2 years of Greg I don't care what our record is, I just want to see some semblance of an offense along with decent and improved recruiting. My expectations are a top 50 signing class for 2021, top 45 for 2022 and top 40 for 2023 along with 6 wins by year three. I don't think that's unrealistic at all. I don't have any expectations for at least the first 5 years of us competing with the OSU, PSU, Wisconsin and Michigan's of our conference, I do want us to be competitive with teams like Maryland, Indiana, Purdue and Illinois by year three and Michigan State, Northwestern, Iowa, and Nebraska by year 4.
If that's unrealistic please let me know but I think that's a very fair expectation table for any coach we might have hired