Where are y’all following this? I clicked up Hadad’s but I don’t think it’s being updated as quickly as what you guys are seeing.
Signing Day Thread.....
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This has been beaten to death, but it had nothing to do with Mullen. All things being equal, he would be at Bama. Never was coming to MSU.
Nobody is ever in a 10 year hole. Any program is just 1-2 years away from being formidable, assuming a decent hire.
I’m not spreading ****. He had offers from Bama, UGA, Auburn, and yes, MSU in addition to OM. He never had MSU in the running. Yeah, the Bama / UGA offers probably stopped being committable as they filled up with other guys, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t have the opportunity. Some guys let you know early on they aren’t worth the effort. Are you seriously implying we would rip up his LOI if he sent it to us and tell him to go elsewhere?
So, you are saying those offers are fake? Ours and OM’s too? Nobody wants the #3 player in MS? LOL. Just take the L Goat. We would take him if we had a shot.
All 22 players have signed, just waiting to announce per PJ.
This is a really good class. We have fans who will get worked up about where our final ranking will ultimately finish, but we have alot of undervalued players who committed early and never got a fair shake in the rankings.
Janari Dean is a top 5 player in the state, and is currently ranked 14th. He's a humble kid who never created drama during the process. Also, the fact players like Will Rogers, Jevon Banks, Jaden Walley, Armondous Cooley, & Javarrious Selmon aren't listed as top 15 players in the state of MS is joke. They all committed fairly early in the process
This is a really good class. We have fans who will get worked up about where our final ranking will ultimately finish, but we have alot of undervalued players who committed early and never got a fair shake in the rankings.
Janari Dean is a top 5 player in the state, and is currently ranked 14th. He's a humble kid who never created drama during the process. Also, the fact players like Will Rogers, Jevon Banks, Jaden Walley, Armondous Cooley, & Javarrious Selmon aren't listed as top 15 players in the state of MS is joke. They all committed fairly early in the process
For example, Armondous Cooley was the best DL by far at the MS-AL all-star game (besides McKinnley Jackson). He's kept his recruitment pretty quiet, has been committed to us since March, and he's listed as the #23 player in state lol.
Would more than likely be a 4 star if he remained uncommitted or decommitted throughout the process - see Josiah Hayes.
Would more than likely be a 4 star if he remained uncommitted or decommitted throughout the process - see Josiah Hayes.
Probably wanted to go somewhere where he might actually get the ball thrown to him. No matter the coach, we never seem to take advantage of a good TE.
Don’t get me wrong, I would very much love for State to have just never been in it with Hayes, and it may be true - but, I do agree with the other poster that it was pretty obvious State just never really recruited Hayes that hard. It’s rarely true when a good player signs elsewhere and fans say “we didn’t want him anyway”. But, I think that may actually be true for State fans, here. OM recruited him hard. State (wisely) locked in on Cooley early and valued him over Hayes, despite the experts like Yancy and Steve having Hayes rated higher****
Cooley will be a much better player than Hayes, if I had to bet on it. Ole Miss needed him though from just a sheer numbers standpoint.
You're exactly right, and honestly, this has always been the case in this state.
So you are of the opinion that OM should have just cut ties with him and let him go? Not sure I believe that. Nobody should sign anyone just for numbers. Recruiting is all about resource allocation. You have limited hours, limited coaches, etc. Effort is put in to getting kids based on both the kid’s talent AND the relative likelihood that you sign him. I don’t question that we never recruited him hard. I question the reason, and all signs point to it being more of a low probability of success type thing than a talent thing.
I’m not saying Hayes might not be a tad overrated in the rankings, but there is little doubt he’s a bona fife SEC player at probably the most important position for sustained success in the SEC. The fact that Kentucky, who has a higher rated class than both State and OM right now, still made him a priority and made room for him should tell you that he can play a little bit. State fans crawfished the same way when we lost out on Z’Darrius Smith to them, and that SOB wound up in the Pro Bowl.
You're wrong on just about all of this. He's not a bonafide SEC prospect, and we cut him loose because the return wasn't worth the effort. If he begged us to take him, I'm sure we would have. oxfordrebel also said they recruited him hard simply because they needed D linemen. Not sure what you read, but it isn't what you comprehended.
On Z Smith, nobody crawfished on that. We recruited him until the end. I actually happen to know this as a fact, i.e. my own two eyes.
Settle down.
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Excellent post. Spot on with Rogers, Cooley, Banks and Walley. Janari Dean is a monster. He and Cooley most underrated players in the state.
You think Arkansas can turn it around in 1-2 years? Including this year their most recent classes have been ranked 23, 25, 50, 119.
That means, after attrition due to grades, injuries, etc.. Going into the 2020 season they MIGHT have 20 guys on the roster that had legit P5 offers.
Nope.. you aren't turning around that runaway pile of **** in 24 months. I don't care if Rey force rez's Bear Bryant and they wheel his *** out to the sideline.
That means, after attrition due to grades, injuries, etc.. Going into the 2020 season they MIGHT have 20 guys on the roster that had legit P5 offers.
Nope.. you aren't turning around that runaway pile of **** in 24 months. I don't care if Rey force rez's Bear Bryant and they wheel his *** out to the sideline.
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Hayes tried to get us to take him and we would not. He's not as good as Cooley and we don't need just another body at DT. No one that follows recruiting seriously told you that we didn't want Z'darrius Smith.
My son went to high school with him. I know his dad. It had nothing to do with Mullen personally. It was the offense. He was between Cal and Ole Miss with a bit of a push from Bama that he really didnt take seriously. He really liked Ole Miss from the start and he hit it off with Treadwell immediately. What it boiled down to is that OM probably did more than they had to do to get him there.
But Mullen's offense was never going to get him here. Not ever. We tried.
Hahaha, so he’s not an SEC prospect, but we’d still take him if he wanted to come here? What in the actual f*ck? Why would we take a guy who isn’t SEC material? As far as the “we’d still take him” part, no ****. That’s what I said before. You are arguing with both me and yourself.
Yeah, that’s exactly what I said. No amount of talent is worth the effort when you have zero chance out of the gate. We stopped recruiting him when we saw the writing on the wall. We did the same thing with Cam Akers and numerous other more talented guys too. Not a hard concept.
They recruited a defensive lineman hard because they need defensive lineman? Thanks for breaking that down Captain Obvious. This is the SEC. EVERYBODY needs defensive linemen, and lots of them EVERY year. Not sure how much you’ve checked our roster, but we aren’t exactly full of elite talent there either.
I was referring to folks saying after the fact that he wasn’t definite to pan out and all the typical BS that folks say every time a recruit doesn’t choose MSU. It happened with some folks.
And I’m completely settled. It’s not a 17-up or negative indictment on our staff. You can’t reach everybody and the guys we’re bringing in are more than solid. Is what it is.
Yes, I do. Problem is they didn't have a decent hire.
Hugh Freeze turned around the Ole Miss dumpster fire in a year.
Any coach not named Croom would have turned our dumpster fire in 2004 around in 1, maybe 2 years. We should have went 6-6 immediately (lost to ****** Maine, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Ole Miss).
Happens all the time, huge differences year to year. But in the case of Arkansas, unless YESSIR just pulls the most incredible houdini act ever, they will probably suck for a few more years.
Both the 50th ranked class and the 119th ranked class were due to hiring a new coach during the new early signing period. Just unfortunate timing. Not much you can do about it and you can't blame the new coach for only having a couple of days to recruit.
If we can actually hold on to a coach for 4 years and have four classes in the 20's in a row we might actually be able to get out of this hole. We need to be patient with Pittman since he's known as a good recruiter and trust his staff to eventually dig us out of it.
You said OM only went after Hayes because it was a “numbers thing”. That’s what I was referring to. I don’t think numbers matter and disagree with the statement. You take a guy if he’s an SEC player, tell him to kick rocks if he isn’t. There are plenty of DT’s on the commit lists of USM, Tulane, ULL , etc. if you are only worried about numbers. All there for the taking. Anyway, we’ll see how he does at UK. We’ll have to see his *** every year, so I hope like hell that you and others are right about his ability (or lack thereof).
Fixed that for you. And I'm sure Mullen's offense isn't totally appealing, but we could have gotten over that. I bolded the meat of your post above. Moorhead would not have quit on him.
According to who? That would be a bold move if we have spots open in February. We must be counting on a strong finish. Otherwise, it’s a mistake. Can always process these guys later if they don’t pan out.
Pretty much everyone who knows. This is why you look dumb right now and probably should keep quiet.
You don't take players just for the rating.
Looks like we added the CB Richardson from Louisiana, and missed on the JUCO CB Bennett from Mobile (signed with Maryland).
GFY. A program that is now on near equal footing to where we were under Mullen both on the field and in recruiting took him “for the rating”. Or maybe they thought he had a better than average chance of panning out? We’ll see in 2-3 years. I won’t lose any sleep over it.
That’s not how I meant it, if that’s how it read. My broader point was that State is both in good shape at DT and recruiting well at DT. Ole Miss is neither. Hayes may very well be a great SEC DT, but there are concerns there. However Ole Miss was in a position to roll those dice. They wouldn’t have been if they had State’s depth chart and Cooley committed.
State, for whatever reason, never recruited Hayes hard. The reason is honestly probably a combination of both of our thoughts. Recruiting is not black and white, it’s very subjective. All I was honestly trying to convey was that normally when a fanbase says that they just didn’t really recruit a home state 4* player, it’s complete bull crap. In State’s case, this time, it’s probably not. If an OM fan says that OM just completely cut him loose, they’re lying, or WAYYYY more connected than I am, and know something about February that I am not privy to.