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1.8M pages of UNC scandal records now searchable
With a new release of documents in June, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill has to date produced 1.8 million pages of records from the investigation into academic fraud that steered student athletes into no-show classes for nearly two decades.
The additional records are now available in a WRAL app updated this week that allows the public to read and search the entire collection of emails, memos and reports all at once.
http://www.wral.com/1-8m-pages-of-unc-scandal-records-now-searchable/16807021/
With a new release of documents in June, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill has to date produced 1.8 million pages of records from the investigation into academic fraud that steered student athletes into no-show classes for nearly two decades.
The additional records are now available in a WRAL app updated this week that allows the public to read and search the entire collection of emails, memos and reports all at once.
http://www.wral.com/1-8m-pages-of-unc-scandal-records-now-searchable/16807021/
National scorn. Lulz...
Joy Slack @jms18222
#RoyKnew
Joe Nocera @NoceraBV
Well, Dean probably knew too.
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Nocera...
Columnist for Bloomberg View. Co-author of "All The Devils Are Here," and "Indentured: The Inside Story of the Rebellion Against the NCAA.". Opinions are mine.
Hruby...
Contributing Editor @VICESports; UT-Austin @sportsandmedia fellow; former @Georgetown professor; ambulatory.
Joy Slack @jms18222
#RoyKnew
Joe Nocera @NoceraBV
Well, Dean probably knew too.
Patrick Hruby liked this reply
Nocera...
Columnist for Bloomberg View. Co-author of "All The Devils Are Here," and "Indentured: The Inside Story of the Rebellion Against the NCAA.". Opinions are mine.
Hruby...
Contributing Editor @VICESports; UT-Austin @sportsandmedia fellow; former @Georgetown professor; ambulatory.
Ridpath responds to Lucas' fanboy rants...
B. David Ridpath @drridpath
Daren just wants to make himself feel better. At least in investor relations they will listen to facts and not be a delusional apologist.
B. David Ridpath @drridpath
And I am still talking and writing and no one can stop that. Too bad some people thought they could. That always makes me smile
B. David Ridpath @drridpath
Would love to debate Bubba directly. Then we can see whose "clock gets cleaned"
B. David Ridpath @drridpath
It's not worth debating Daren. He is too biased and clouded to be reasonable and inquisitive. He was too easy. Just another apologist.
B. David Ridpath @drridpath
I will say that I at least respected Daren for calling me directly. He at least had guts to do that but still woefully delusional and a joke
B. David Ridpath @drridpath
CBR I guess I should just admit I got my clock cleaned. I mean I shut up right after and never spoke of it again and said UNC was right!
B. David Ridpath @drridpath
Zealot=one who disagrees with UNC apologists
https://twitter.com/drridpath
B. David Ridpath @drridpath
Daren just wants to make himself feel better. At least in investor relations they will listen to facts and not be a delusional apologist.
B. David Ridpath @drridpath
And I am still talking and writing and no one can stop that. Too bad some people thought they could. That always makes me smile
B. David Ridpath @drridpath
Would love to debate Bubba directly. Then we can see whose "clock gets cleaned"
B. David Ridpath @drridpath
It's not worth debating Daren. He is too biased and clouded to be reasonable and inquisitive. He was too easy. Just another apologist.
B. David Ridpath @drridpath
I will say that I at least respected Daren for calling me directly. He at least had guts to do that but still woefully delusional and a joke
B. David Ridpath @drridpath
CBR I guess I should just admit I got my clock cleaned. I mean I shut up right after and never spoke of it again and said UNC was right!
B. David Ridpath @drridpath
Zealot=one who disagrees with UNC apologists
https://twitter.com/drridpath
Another example of why ya can't talk to unx fans about this. Instead of accepting the reality that NC media ( other than Kane ) has , basically , treated 'em with kid gloves for the last 7 years , they consider themelves to be victims of the press. WTF...?
And before any of you politically-minded posters try an' come after me , don't bother. I just saw this and thought it was amusing. That's it an' that's all. I'm not tryin' to engage anyone on the issues of the day REGARDLESS of which side of the aisle you sit on and I'm not makin' a political statement either. It's just a joke. That said , here it is. lulz...
UNC RECEIVES NEW RESPONSE IN NCAA INVESTIGATION
The University of North Carolina confirmed Thursday afternoon it has received a new response from the NCAA linked to the long-running academic fraud allegations.
"We have received the response. We will release it after a review of privacy concerns," University officials told ABC11.
http://abc11.com/amp/news/unc-receives-new-response-in-ncaa-investigation/2237476/
The University of North Carolina confirmed Thursday afternoon it has received a new response from the NCAA linked to the long-running academic fraud allegations.
"We have received the response. We will release it after a review of privacy concerns," University officials told ABC11.
http://abc11.com/amp/news/unc-receives-new-response-in-ncaa-investigation/2237476/
August 16-17 is the next meeting with the COI. It's my understanding that's when unx will find out what they've been charged with ( if anything.) Obviously , draconian sanctions are warranted but I'll believe it when I see it. The "flagship" has thrown millions of dollars and everything else ( including the kitchen sink! ) at this to avoid penalties. It's worked so far. Sure , the "carolina way" has been proven to be a fraud and Dean an' Roy's reps are permanently tarnished but , clearly , the holes don't care. "Just win , baby." Shameless. smh...
Tate: UNC's argument still doesn't add up
After exasperating years of retooling and reloading, the NCAA Committee on Infractions will pronounce its ruling on academic fraud at North Carolina next month.
Leaders of the Tar Heel operation are resisting to the end. Like any good organized crime family — call this organized fraud — when caught, you deny, lawyer up, twist logic, invent technicalities and ultimately appeal. As with Louisville, the UNC appeal will be automatic
...the mischief was so egregious that it created an unfair competitive advantage on the field of play. There must be consequences.
And Carolina had this scheme working all the way back to the Dean Smith era, building momentum that carried right through the 2017 championship.
Caught with their pants down, the Tar Heels lawyered up...
This is conflict in a formal arrangement where member schools and the NCAA enforcement staff are supposed to work together. But the Tar Heels carry this unapologetic, mind-your-own-business stance right into their August collision with their Committee on Infractions jurors.
But if 18 years of fraud isn't "lack of institutional control," and deserving of major penalties, what is?
http://www.news-gazette.com/sports/...7-21/tate-uncs-argument-still-doesnt-add.html
Let the games begin. The NCAA makes it clear to unx that everything in the AANOA is STILL on the table. And they're basically tellin' unx that any arguments suggesting this is all outta the NCAA's jurisdiction are non-starters. Lulz...
Also , Roy an' Fed get invites. Odd. I thought neither program was involved. Hinky...
Williams, Fedora asked to attend UNC meeting with NCAA on Aug 16
http://packinsider.com/2017/07/25/williams-fedora-asked-attend-unc-meeting-ncaa-aug-16/
Bubba an' Sylvia are on the Guest List too...
Also , Roy an' Fed get invites. Odd. I thought neither program was involved. Hinky...
Williams, Fedora asked to attend UNC meeting with NCAA on Aug 16
http://packinsider.com/2017/07/25/williams-fedora-asked-attend-unc-meeting-ncaa-aug-16/
Bubba an' Sylvia are on the Guest List too...
University releases NCAA correspondence cited in public records requests
July 25, 2017
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill has posted new correspondence from and to the NCAA in conjunction with responding to public records requests filed under the North Carolina Public Records Act. Those documents are posted here, here, here, here, here and here.
http://carolinacommitment.unc.edu/u...respondence-cited-in-public-records-requests/
Those individual links (highlighted) tell the tale. "Enforcement..."
It is important to be clear what this case is about. This case is about facts that are almost entirely undisputed. It is about straightforward application of those facts to well-known bylaws adopted by NCAA members. The bylaws at issue speak very clearly to benefits, which are and are not available to student-athletes, and to an institution's responsibility for controlling its athletics program. While the interests surrounding this case may be broad and complicated, the narrow issues before this hearing panel of the NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions are decidedly unique to the NCAA. Put simply, student-athletes received access to and assistance in certain courses that was not generally available to other students. The arrangements violated familiar NCAA bylaws and operated to the competitive disadvantage of other schools.
It is equally important to be clear what this case is not about. This case is not about so-called fake classes or easy courses. The institution acknowledges that although the courses at issue did not meet its expectations for academic rigor, the institution did not deem the courses to be fraudulent. Nor is this case about NCAA review of classroom curriculum. The institution continues to argue that the NCAA enforcement staff should not judge academic rigor or revisit classroom decisions. The enforcement staff continues to agree and feels strongly that those considerations are reserved to the sound discretion of individual schools and their accrediting agencies. Nothing in this case suggests otherwise.
Also, this case is not about the enforcement staff or the infractions process. The institution invests considerable energy criticizing both. The enforcement staff will respond to select accusations as necessary, but is confident in the integrity of how this case was investigated and processed.
https://carolinacommitment.unc.edu/...ent-Reply-2016-2nd-Amended-NOA-07-17-2017.pdf
"...the institution did not deem the courses to be fraudulent. Nor is this case about NCAA review of classroom curriculum."
THIS ^^^ actually favors unx somewhat....as far as "Enforcement" is concerned anyway. Unreal too. Because unx themselves won't call the obviously fradulent classes , uhhh , "fraudulent" , Enforcement won't charge the holes with academic fraud. They're making this about "impermissible benefits" which , for some reason , isn't sanctioned as heavily as fraud is. Gutless move by Enforcement. Score one for the "flagship." Fortunately , the COI isn't bound by what Enforcement alleges. It's well within the COI's purview to pile on the justifiable charges of academic fraud...especially since SACS already cited unx for it AND unx AGREED with 'em. The holes will keep playin' lawyer games an' probably do very well but this SHOULD be open/shut. It won't be , of course , but anybody else would get hammered. We'll see.
July 25, 2017
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill has posted new correspondence from and to the NCAA in conjunction with responding to public records requests filed under the North Carolina Public Records Act. Those documents are posted here, here, here, here, here and here.
http://carolinacommitment.unc.edu/u...respondence-cited-in-public-records-requests/
Those individual links (highlighted) tell the tale. "Enforcement..."
It is important to be clear what this case is about. This case is about facts that are almost entirely undisputed. It is about straightforward application of those facts to well-known bylaws adopted by NCAA members. The bylaws at issue speak very clearly to benefits, which are and are not available to student-athletes, and to an institution's responsibility for controlling its athletics program. While the interests surrounding this case may be broad and complicated, the narrow issues before this hearing panel of the NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions are decidedly unique to the NCAA. Put simply, student-athletes received access to and assistance in certain courses that was not generally available to other students. The arrangements violated familiar NCAA bylaws and operated to the competitive disadvantage of other schools.
It is equally important to be clear what this case is not about. This case is not about so-called fake classes or easy courses. The institution acknowledges that although the courses at issue did not meet its expectations for academic rigor, the institution did not deem the courses to be fraudulent. Nor is this case about NCAA review of classroom curriculum. The institution continues to argue that the NCAA enforcement staff should not judge academic rigor or revisit classroom decisions. The enforcement staff continues to agree and feels strongly that those considerations are reserved to the sound discretion of individual schools and their accrediting agencies. Nothing in this case suggests otherwise.
Also, this case is not about the enforcement staff or the infractions process. The institution invests considerable energy criticizing both. The enforcement staff will respond to select accusations as necessary, but is confident in the integrity of how this case was investigated and processed.
https://carolinacommitment.unc.edu/...ent-Reply-2016-2nd-Amended-NOA-07-17-2017.pdf
"...the institution did not deem the courses to be fraudulent. Nor is this case about NCAA review of classroom curriculum."
THIS ^^^ actually favors unx somewhat....as far as "Enforcement" is concerned anyway. Unreal too. Because unx themselves won't call the obviously fradulent classes , uhhh , "fraudulent" , Enforcement won't charge the holes with academic fraud. They're making this about "impermissible benefits" which , for some reason , isn't sanctioned as heavily as fraud is. Gutless move by Enforcement. Score one for the "flagship." Fortunately , the COI isn't bound by what Enforcement alleges. It's well within the COI's purview to pile on the justifiable charges of academic fraud...especially since SACS already cited unx for it AND unx AGREED with 'em. The holes will keep playin' lawyer games an' probably do very well but this SHOULD be open/shut. It won't be , of course , but anybody else would get hammered. We'll see.
@yibyaby makes a good point. Is Wheelan watchin' this? SACS flat-out busted unx an' the holes didn't play around with 'em. Ya don't play around with your accreditation. Lose it an' it's game over. Back in 2013 even though unx agreed with SACS , they STILL wanted to allow the fraudulent classes to stand as legit for current students. Needless to say , SACS was none too happy about it...
THIS^^^ is a hoot. The NCAA busts IC for the violation but decides AGAINST alleging it because they knew unx would just use it as an opportunity to delay things...again. Gawd , what a sheethole. Just burn it. Chain the doors , board the windows , nuke it from space then salt the earth. It's the only way to be sure.
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NCAA: Issues at UNC 'clearly the NCAA's business'
The NCAA has set Aug. 16 as the day for the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to make its latest case in the ongoing investigation into no-show classes, and, in documents released Tuesday, reasserted its authority.
"The issues at the heart of this case are clearly the NCAA's business," the NCAA wrote. "When a member institution allows an academic department to provide benefits to student-athletes that are materially different from the general student body, it is the NCAA's business."
http://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc-maintains-ncaa-overreach-in-latest-ncaa-response/16840516/
The NCAA has set Aug. 16 as the day for the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to make its latest case in the ongoing investigation into no-show classes, and, in documents released Tuesday, reasserted its authority.
"The issues at the heart of this case are clearly the NCAA's business," the NCAA wrote. "When a member institution allows an academic department to provide benefits to student-athletes that are materially different from the general student body, it is the NCAA's business."
http://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc-maintains-ncaa-overreach-in-latest-ncaa-response/16840516/
Maybe someone can help me understand why the Unc fans seem to think that one Sankey has it out for them.Secondly why the NCAA will get destroyed if this goes to court.From what I have seen and read the Unc powers that be do not want to testify in open court about their involvement in this scandal especially with penalties for perjury in place.Dont they think that they will be questioned regarding the numerous e-mails about preferential treatment for their players.I know we have some attorneys on this board and would like to know the likelihood that the Unc legal team can keep it solely on whether or not any court case would be strictly about the NCAA not following its own guidelines
Maybe one of the skilled photoshop guys on here should get a jump start on t-shirt designs for
"UNC Basketball NOT National Champions - 1924, 1991, 1992, 2001, 2005, 2009, 2010, 2015"
"UNC Basketball NOT National Champions - 1924, 1991, 1992, 2001, 2005, 2009, 2010, 2015"
unx has had numerous opportunities to protest Sankey's involvement and it's only until recently they have. Why? Why not? Their entire defense for all this is based on re-writing history , semantics , spin , whatever. Might as well throw something else at the wall and see if it sticks. BTW , despite what unx would have us believe , this is PROPER procedure and this is how its always been done. The COI is made up of personnel from member schools...a "jury of peers" as it were. Now , ya could make the argument that a true independent body should handle these things. Heck , I think most fans would agree with such a policy. THAT , however , is another discussion for another time and has bupkiss to do with unx's current case. Other schools have been "judged" the exact same way so , for all you tarhole fans reading this , Get. Over. Yourself. Ya ain't special. Why should the glorious "flagship" be evaluated differently than other schools have been in the past? And another thing...it takes a helluva lotta balls to whine about any perceived "conflicts of interests" from Sankey ( or anyone else ) when a unx alum is ACC commish. GFY , tarholes. Seriously. And havin' this go to court? Please. I'm beggin.' The Bethels and Byerz have convinced ya'll the NCAA would be embarrassed should this go in front of a judge. Really? Take Roy and Fed and Sylvia and Crowder and Nyangoro and Boxill and God-knows-who and put 'em sit in a witness booth givin' sworn testimony in open court with a possible perjury charge over their heads. I'd pay money to watch that. "Must-see TV." Lulz.
Feinstein: NCAA Must Hammer UNC For Academic Fraud
That example is exactly the reason why the NCAA MUST punish UNC heavily. If you are going to claim that those who represent you in sports are “student-athletes,” then you cannot turn around and say the NCAA does not have the right to sanction you for academic fraud.
But, as of this moment, the NCAA and all its member schools – including athletic directors like Cunningham – are still claiming that their players are “student-athletes.” If that’s the case, if those two things are entwined, then academic fraud is absolutely within the umbrella of NCAA discipline.
And, if your only argument against the current charges is that you ARE guilty but should be let off on a technicality, then you should be punished to the max. Remember, NCAA court is NOT a court of law. One does not have to be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Cunningham has already admitted guilt on behalf of the school.
If the NCAA lets UNC off with a wrist slap: loss of a few scholarships; a probation without sanctions; in fact, anything short of stripping at least one national title, it may very well face some kind of an uprising from other schools – led by Louisville, Syracuse, Connecticut, and others that have been punished in the recent past for crimes not comparable to those that took place in Chapel Hill.
The team that will be most affected if a serious penalty is handed down is, clearly, the basketball team – if only because the football team hasn’t won anything that really mattered since Choo-Choo Justice played there. Losing a Belk Bowl trophy wouldn’t bother too many people.
Unfortunately, that’s irrelevant right now. The only question is whether academic fraud took place. The athletic director says it did. Which is why Carolina’s punishment must be harsh for the NCAA to retain what little credibility it has left.
http://radio.cbssports.com/2017/07/26/feinstein-ncaa-must-hammer-unc-for-academic-fraud/
That example is exactly the reason why the NCAA MUST punish UNC heavily. If you are going to claim that those who represent you in sports are “student-athletes,” then you cannot turn around and say the NCAA does not have the right to sanction you for academic fraud.
But, as of this moment, the NCAA and all its member schools – including athletic directors like Cunningham – are still claiming that their players are “student-athletes.” If that’s the case, if those two things are entwined, then academic fraud is absolutely within the umbrella of NCAA discipline.
And, if your only argument against the current charges is that you ARE guilty but should be let off on a technicality, then you should be punished to the max. Remember, NCAA court is NOT a court of law. One does not have to be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Cunningham has already admitted guilt on behalf of the school.
If the NCAA lets UNC off with a wrist slap: loss of a few scholarships; a probation without sanctions; in fact, anything short of stripping at least one national title, it may very well face some kind of an uprising from other schools – led by Louisville, Syracuse, Connecticut, and others that have been punished in the recent past for crimes not comparable to those that took place in Chapel Hill.
The team that will be most affected if a serious penalty is handed down is, clearly, the basketball team – if only because the football team hasn’t won anything that really mattered since Choo-Choo Justice played there. Losing a Belk Bowl trophy wouldn’t bother too many people.
Unfortunately, that’s irrelevant right now. The only question is whether academic fraud took place. The athletic director says it did. Which is why Carolina’s punishment must be harsh for the NCAA to retain what little credibility it has left.
http://radio.cbssports.com/2017/07/26/feinstein-ncaa-must-hammer-unc-for-academic-fraud/