Shame

[Garybredow]

This coaching should be ashamed of their decisions over the past couple of years. I know that i’ll get the classic ‘you must be Gio’s mom’ response.. but seriously.. this program never gave this kid the support or trust or confidence that he needed to really develop. He busted his *** and played injured last season, getting some experience after the Laviano nightmare, and went into this season as the ‘starter.’ And of course, they bring in Kyle Bolin because he played under Lamar Jackson and they thought that somehow meant something about HIS playing ability.. but of course it didn’t. So the program shoved him from starter to 3rd string.. another slap in the face.. but he kept positive and just worked and stayed ready. Then they finally put him in and he wins THREE big 10 games.. which most of you said we couldn't win.. and after a bad game against Indiana, again, Ash says the QB position is open again. And you tell me that Kill has nothing to do with it? or that we have an O line that can give him time in the pocket or that we have competent enough receivers to make plays.. maybe I’m just rooting for a fellow Michigan kid that played at a local high school, but If I were in his shoes, I’d give this program the same loyalty they gave me. None. The QB position is more than just completing passes. You have to give the offensive leader a CHANCE to be successful..and I don’t mean by just giving him the chance to start a few games.. maybe use the tight end a little more, give the guy more than 2 seconds in the pocket.. work around your receivers lack of speed and short comings and design plays they can understand and complete.. but no, let’s run up the gut over and over and over again.. and send receivers into double coverage or run them downfield against stellar DB’s and then question why passes aren’t being completed. The main reason for this diatribe is because I feel that the program did this kid a huge disservice by constantly dangling his role in front of him.. never really calling him the QB, never developing an offense around what they have to work with.. and it’s a slap in the face to see someone with so much talent see such disrespect. I’m a Rutgers fan.. but today, seeing the ‘future’ of the program play the way he did while Gio sat on the sidelines was an embarrassment, and I hope he transfers to a program that has their **** together. And this goes for every other player that these coaches treat like their expendable. I get that he wasn’t an Ash recruit.. but he is by far the best QB on the team.. he earned a lot of fans when the team played well as a whole, but the second the offense broke down.. its back to ‘Gio who?’
Yes, he made a couple bad passes in his FIRST FOUR DOWNS.. but you saw what the ‘future’ holds with Lewis. Hope this team can stand back and re-evaluate the things you don’t see on film.

 

[gigantor1024]

It's not a bad game it's bad habits that continually lead to errant throws. Gio can't seem to go through his progressions, he looks for the first receiver and then immediately starts thinking run if it's not open. If he just let the routes develop more it would be one thing. It's just his instinct to try and turn a busted pass play into a couple yard gain. What this causes is an inability to plant his feet while anticipating the route development. His instinct is to run so you see a lot of throws that are extremely off target. If you can't correct your own mistakes then it's no surprise the competition was opened back up.
He's had plenty of time this season, 2 seconds is not even close to accurate.

 

[Bob Chaewsky_rivals]

It's not a bad game it's bad habits that continually lead to errant throws. Gio can't seem to go through his progressions, he looks for the first receiver and then immediately starts thinking run if it's not open. If he just let the routes develop more it would be one thing. It's just his instinct to try and turn a busted pass play into a couple yard gain. What this causes is an inability to plant his feet while anticipating the route development. His instinct is to run so you see a lot of throws that are extremely off target. If you can't correct your own mistakes then it's no surprise the competition was opened back up.
He's had plenty of time this season, 2 seconds is not even close to accurate.

Not saying you are wrong, but if you're right than Kill is wrong. Just less than two weeks ago Kill said Gio was making all the right reads. I'm with Gary on this. Gio saved the season. Without him we might have won 1 game. Ash owed him for that. Maybe not a great passer, but a winner and a leader, and certainly a better passer than his replacement.

 

[rutgers4life11]

By now, we know what we have in Gio. The staff needed to see what Lewis could do against a good D. Simple as that.

If we needed to win this game for a bowl, Gio probably would have started whole game.

 

[RutgersROB]

This coaching should be ashamed of their decisions over the past couple of years. I know that i’ll get the classic ‘you must be Gio’s mom’ response.. but seriously.. this program never gave this kid the support or trust or confidence that he needed to really develop. He busted his *** and played injured last season, getting some experience after the Laviano nightmare, and went into this season as the ‘starter.’ And of course, they bring in Kyle Bolin because he played under Lamar Jackson and they thought that somehow meant something about HIS playing ability.. but of course it didn’t. So the program shoved him from starter to 3rd string.. another slap in the face.. but he kept positive and just worked and stayed ready. Then they finally put him in and he wins THREE big 10 games.. which most of you said we couldn't win.. and after a bad game against Indiana, again, Ash says the QB position is open again. And you tell me that Kill has nothing to do with it? or that we have an O line that can give him time in the pocket or that we have competent enough receivers to make plays.. maybe I’m just rooting for a fellow Michigan kid that played at a local high school, but If I were in his shoes, I’d give this program the same loyalty they gave me. None. The QB position is more than just completing passes. You have to give the offensive leader a CHANCE to be successful..and I don’t mean by just giving him the chance to start a few games.. maybe use the tight end a little more, give the guy more than 2 seconds in the pocket.. work around your receivers lack of speed and short comings and design plays they can understand and complete.. but no, let’s run up the gut over and over and over again.. and send receivers into double coverage or run them downfield against stellar DB’s and then question why passes aren’t being completed. The main reason for this diatribe is because I feel that the program did this kid a huge disservice by constantly dangling his role in front of him.. never really calling him the QB, never developing an offense around what they have to work with.. and it’s a slap in the face to see someone with so much talent see such disrespect. I’m a Rutgers fan.. but today, seeing the ‘future’ of the program play the way he did while Gio sat on the sidelines was an embarrassment, and I hope he transfers to a program that has their **** together. And this goes for every other player that these coaches treat like their expendable. I get that he wasn’t an Ash recruit.. but he is by far the best QB on the team.. he earned a lot of fans when the team played well as a whole, but the second the offense broke down.. its back to ‘Gio who?’
Yes, he made a couple bad passes in his FIRST FOUR DOWNS.. but you saw what the ‘future’ holds with Lewis. Hope this team can stand back and re-evaluate the things you don’t see on film.

Youre a Rutgers fan but Gio is from one of your local high schools in Michigan...cus you totally sound like his mom whining...he got a fair shot and everything is earned...bolin was voted captain by his teammates in sunmer not Gio...bolin didnt perform and got replaced. Gio didnt perform and got replaced...your post is was off base and it sounds pathetic...this is football Gio got more then enough opportunity

 

[RUnewjersey]

In another thread someone asked why recruits don't come to Rutgers. The OP's post addresses part of it, there hasn't been any player development on our team for several years and the situation appears to be getting worse under Ash.

Also, the way Ash handled the quarterback situation thus year was ridiculous. This guy is not a very good football coach.

 

[shields]

What completion % did Gio have? Probably like 43%. Not good enough and i realize the receivers are not good. First game for Lewis, give that kid a break. You don't know who Mike Teel is. QB for 2006 team. Freshman year had 2 tds and I believe 10 picks. have to give Lewis a break.

 

[JonathanAlan]

Gio's body of work demonstrated very little upside potential. He avoided mistakes that would cause Rutgers to lose games but did next to nothing to cause Rutgers to win any games. And that's what separates decent quarterbacks from poor ones. Next year the starting quarterback needs to be someone other than Gio.

 

[rubaseball78_rivals]

In another thread someone asked why recruits don't come to Rutgers. The OP's post addresses part of it, there hasn't been any player development on our team for several years and the situation appears to be getting worse under Ash.

Also, the way Ash handled the quarterback situation thus year was ridiculous. This guy is not a very good football coach.

Was there a potential all American QB sitting on the bench not getting a chance to play? I must have missed that.

 

[bac2therac]

Gio was abysmal in his last two games coming in. It was time for him to sit. Lewis is no better really but we have to at least see what we have with him

 

[Knight Shift]

It's not a bad game it's bad habits that continually lead to errant throws. Gio can't seem to go through his progressions, he looks for the first receiver and then immediately starts thinking run if it's not open. If he just let the routes develop more it would be one thing. It's just his instinct to try and turn a busted pass play into a couple yard gain. What this causes is an inability to plant his feet while anticipating the route development. His instinct is to run so you see a lot of throws that are extremely off target. If you can't correct your own mistakes then it's no surprise the competition was opened back up.
He's had plenty of time this season, 2 seconds is not even close to accurate.

Agree. Ray Lucas basically says the same thing during the broadcasts.

Not saying you are wrong, but if you're right than Kill is wrong. Just less than two weeks ago Kill said Gio was making all the right reads. I'm with Gary on this. Gio saved the season. Without him we might have won 1 game. Ash owed him for that. Maybe not a great passer, but a winner and a leader, and certainly a better passer than his replacement.

Kill is probably overcompensating so as to not throw a player under the bus.
There was a play when one of tight ends went towards the sidelines, and Gio threw it too far to the sidelines. Ray Lucas said something to the effect of Gio waits to long to see that his receiver is open, and then it is too late and Gio throws the ball away from the receiver to avoid an interception. Also, as gigantor said, many times, he locks onto his primary receiver and when that receiver is not open, he pulls it down and runs when there are other receivers open. Not sure if these are fixable problems, as Gio instinctively wants to run the ball when his primary is not open. I was a huge proponent of Gio from the beginning, but by now, he should be showing some improvement, and he has not.

 

[newwavedave1]

Gio was abysmal in his last two games coming in. It was time for him to sit. Lewis is no better really but we have to at least see what we have with him

Agree, but Lewis needs to show major improvement before I would give him the reins. We will be in for another long season, unless he or any of the other QBs proves to be head and shoulders above the rest.

 

[LETSGORU91_]

It's not a bad game it's bad habits that continually lead to errant throws. Gio can't seem to go through his progressions, he looks for the first receiver and then immediately starts thinking run if it's not open. If he just let the routes develop more it would be one thing. It's just his instinct to try and turn a busted pass play into a couple yard gain. What this causes is an inability to plant his feet while anticipating the route development. His instinct is to run so you see a lot of throws that are extremely off target. If you can't correct your own mistakes then it's no surprise the competition was opened back up.
He's had plenty of time this season, 2 seconds is not even close to accurate.

I think you are spot on. He doesn't seem to get through the progressions as needed, then just tucks the ball and runs. When he does throw, he is not very accurate. Yes, he managed the games and did what was needed. Yes, he won 3 B1G games. Thank you Gio. Yesterday's game had no post season implications and the staff needed to see what Lewis was capable of. Up until Lewis came in, did Gio even get a first down?

P.S., I do think the OP is Gio's mom or dad.

 

[shields]

I thank Gio for what he has done. But we needed to see what Lewis could do. Lewis needed reps.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

Gio should be given plenty of credit for leading the team to three of the four victories - don't believe that anybody else was going to be able to do it - but whether he got one series or three - or more was not likely to be of any great value to the team and getting Lewis into the thick of things against a competitive defense was far more important.

 

[BoroKnight]

The guy was inaccurate and managed about 100 yards per game. That is near-garbage levels of production. What he did do was NOT turn over the ball. That's huge when the margin for error is as small as hours, but if we had anybody capable of throwing a football from point A to point B with a bit of zip and a bit of accuracy, he's using a clipboard to block signals from the view of the press box.

 

[RU-Nation]

In another thread someone asked why recruits don't come to Rutgers. The OP's post addresses part of it, there hasn't been any player development on our team for several years and the situation appears to be getting worse under Ash.

Also, the way Ash handled the quarterback situation thus year was ridiculous. This guy is not a very good football coach.

No player development? Special teams were improved. Defense was much improved. Wilkins, Joseph, Roberts, Morris, Grey? I'll even say the OL made improvements. Against our evenly matched peers, the line more than held their own and also played well early against Michigan and Pedd State. It's hard to open running holes when all opposing coaches and 11 players on the field know that your passing game poses 0.0 threat to beat them in the air.
As for the QB situation this year, Bolin was too turnover prone. Perhaps Gio should have been given a chance sooner. But I don't think ridiculous is an appropriate description. Plus don't forget that Lewis was hurt for a few weeks.

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

Not to digress but Shameless is my favorite show. OK I digressed

 

[D1ESEL44]

Agree. Ray Lucas basically says the same thing during the broadcasts.


Kill is probably overcompensating so as to not throw a player under the bus.
There was a play when one of tight ends went towards the sidelines, and Gio threw it too far to the sidelines. Ray Lucas said something to the effect of Gio waits to long to see that his receiver is open, and then it is too late and Gio throws the ball away from the receiver to avoid an interception. Also, as gigantor said, many times, he locks onto his primary receiver and when that receiver is not open, he pulls it down and runs when there are other receivers open. Not sure if these are fixable problems, as Gio instinctively wants to run the ball when his primary is not open. I was a huge proponent of Gio from the beginning, but by now, he should be showing some improvement, and he has not.

One of the big differences between Gio and Lewis is that Lewis keeps his eyes downfield. The TD pass to Blackshear was a good example.

 

[FanuSanu52]

Gio's body of work demonstrated very little upside potential. He avoided mistakes that would cause Rutgers to lose games but did next to nothing to cause Rutgers to win any games. And that's what separates decent quarterbacks from poor ones. Next year the starting quarterback needs to be someone other than Gio.

Agree. Seen enough of Gio to know he ain't the answer to our offensive woes. Bandage at best.

 

[D1ESEL44]

Not saying you are wrong, but if you're right than Kill is wrong. Just less than two weeks ago Kill said Gio was making all the right reads. I'm with Gary on this. Gio saved the season. Without him we might have won 1 game. Ash owed him for that. Maybe not a great passer, but a winner and a leader, and certainly a better passer than his replacement.

Gio is really tough kid and I like the way he plays the game, but he is very limited. The only thing Gio truly did was force opponents to account for him in the run game, and perhaps spy him on obvious passing downs in case he decided to tuck it and run. He should also be credited for being smart with the football and not forcing throws into tight coverage.

 

[koleszar]

This coaching should be ashamed of their decisions over the past couple of years. I know that i’ll get the classic ‘you must be Gio’s mom’ response.. but seriously.. this program never gave this kid the support or trust or confidence that he needed to really develop. He busted his *** and played injured last season, getting some experience after the Laviano nightmare, and went into this season as the ‘starter.’ And of course, they bring in Kyle Bolin because he played under Lamar Jackson and they thought that somehow meant something about HIS playing ability.. but of course it didn’t. So the program shoved him from starter to 3rd string.. another slap in the face.. but he kept positive and just worked and stayed ready. Then they finally put him in and he wins THREE big 10 games.. which most of you said we couldn't win.. and after a bad game against Indiana, again, Ash says the QB position is open again. And you tell me that Kill has nothing to do with it? or that we have an O line that can give him time in the pocket or that we have competent enough receivers to make plays.. maybe I’m just rooting for a fellow Michigan kid that played at a local high school, but If I were in his shoes, I’d give this program the same loyalty they gave me. None. The QB position is more than just completing passes. You have to give the offensive leader a CHANCE to be successful..and I don’t mean by just giving him the chance to start a few games.. maybe use the tight end a little more, give the guy more than 2 seconds in the pocket.. work around your receivers lack of speed and short comings and design plays they can understand and complete.. but no, let’s run up the gut over and over and over again.. and send receivers into double coverage or run them downfield against stellar DB’s and then question why passes aren’t being completed. The main reason for this diatribe is because I feel that the program did this kid a huge disservice by constantly dangling his role in front of him.. never really calling him the QB, never developing an offense around what they have to work with.. and it’s a slap in the face to see someone with so much talent see such disrespect. I’m a Rutgers fan.. but today, seeing the ‘future’ of the program play the way he did while Gio sat on the sidelines was an embarrassment, and I hope he transfers to a program that has their **** together. And this goes for every other player that these coaches treat like their expendable. I get that he wasn’t an Ash recruit.. but he is by far the best QB on the team.. he earned a lot of fans when the team played well as a whole, but the second the offense broke down.. its back to ‘Gio who?’
Yes, he made a couple bad passes in his FIRST FOUR DOWNS.. but you saw what the ‘future’ holds with Lewis. Hope this team can stand back and re-evaluate the things you don’t see on film.

Your boy has been here for 4 OC's. Freidgen, McDaniels, Mehringer and now Kill. Are they all wrong and your the only one who's right? If he had so much talent wouldn't one of these four recognized it and said let's design the offense around him? Wouldn't Freidgen have said **** redshirting this kid, he's our future play him now?

Also weren't we your boys only P5 offer. Shouldn't he be the one thanking us for giving him the opportunity to play in the B1G, after all he wasn't our 1st choice that year. As for transferring I'm not sure a 50% career passer with less than 100 yds. per game and a 7 TD to 6 int. ratio for a career is in that high a demand. Hey there's always FCS, that worked out well for some of our recent former QB's.

 

[gef21]

Gio has the heart of a lion and has some swagger about him. What he does not have is accuracy on his throw and he can only read half a field at a time.

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

Get a freaking quarterback !@@ If the Polish rifle doesnt work out we might be screwed well into the next decade.

 

[chase07470]

This coaching should be ashamed of their decisions over the past couple of years. I know that i’ll get the classic ‘you must be Gio’s mom’ response.. but seriously.. this program never gave this kid the support or trust or confidence that he needed to really develop. He busted his *** and played injured last season, getting some experience after the Laviano nightmare, and went into this season as the ‘starter.’ And of course, they bring in Kyle Bolin because he played under Lamar Jackson and they thought that somehow meant something about HIS playing ability.. but of course it didn’t. So the program shoved him from starter to 3rd string.. another slap in the face.. but he kept positive and just worked and stayed ready. Then they finally put him in and he wins THREE big 10 games.. which most of you said we couldn't win.. and after a bad game against Indiana, again, Ash says the QB position is open again. And you tell me that Kill has nothing to do with it? or that we have an O line that can give him time in the pocket or that we have competent enough receivers to make plays.. maybe I’m just rooting for a fellow Michigan kid that played at a local high school, but If I were in his shoes, I’d give this program the same loyalty they gave me. None. The QB position is more than just completing passes. You have to give the offensive leader a CHANCE to be successful..and I don’t mean by just giving him the chance to start a few games.. maybe use the tight end a little more, give the guy more than 2 seconds in the pocket.. work around your receivers lack of speed and short comings and design plays they can understand and complete.. but no, let’s run up the gut over and over and over again.. and send receivers into double coverage or run them downfield against stellar DB’s and then question why passes aren’t being completed. The main reason for this diatribe is because I feel that the program did this kid a huge disservice by constantly dangling his role in front of him.. never really calling him the QB, never developing an offense around what they have to work with.. and it’s a slap in the face to see someone with so much talent see such disrespect. I’m a Rutgers fan.. but today, seeing the ‘future’ of the program play the way he did while Gio sat on the sidelines was an embarrassment, and I hope he transfers to a program that has their **** together. And this goes for every other player that these coaches treat like their expendable. I get that he wasn’t an Ash recruit.. but he is by far the best QB on the team.. he earned a lot of fans when the team played well as a whole, but the second the offense broke down.. its back to ‘Gio who?’
Yes, he made a couple bad passes in his FIRST FOUR DOWNS.. but you saw what the ‘future’ holds with Lewis. Hope this team can stand back and re-evaluate the things you don’t see on film.

Unfortunately, in the world of big time college football, nine and a half quarters without a TD gets you a spot on the bench. End of story.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Gary, Gary, Gary...

The bulk of this board screams #freeGio after seeing Bolin's WTF throws late down the middle (aka BAD INTERCEPTIONS).

But we do not have any QBs who have "it".

Maybe that is on the coaching.. maybe they haven't been coached up or been given game plans that can work.. and maybe they don't have "it".

Every single one of them have thrown WTF INTS. No one is teaching them that.. that is for sure.

I think Gio or Lewis would have been better off with MORE QB designed runs.. we used them too sparingly. And Bolin was the best passer on short routes.. more likely to complete a pass than the others.. be it to Rutgers relievers or the defense.