Who's talking about Baylor, LB? We aren't going down any of your rabbit holes lol. Go find some fresh fish for that.
Shaedon Sharpe sets commitment date
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2 of his 4 FF's have been rosters far more like Baylor's than reliant on top 5 rated freshman.
When was the last time Cal was in a F4 with any roster?
2 of his 4 FF's have been rosters far more like Baylor's than reliant on top 5 rated freshman.
Well, you did say that it what was needed to win at the highest levels...I was just curious as to why that is if the most recent to do it didn't require this formula to win the championship?
Did I ever tell you about the time I ran into Scott Drew? Like, literally. Seemed like a nice guy.
So I guess that’s the ONLY way to win a championship?
No roster style is a guarantee. Cal’s championship came with two top five freshmen, a couple other top 25 freshmen, a couple sophomore returnees, and a senior leader. I’m all for not relying completely on 5* freshmen, but in my opinion, a mix of freak talent and solid experience is the best formula for a probable title contender. And the #1 incoming recruit is a killer way to start.
I would say coaching has been suspect in a few times...…….
the loss to WVU when Huggins coached circles around him
2015 when he let the twins throw away a title
what the ncaa loss to Kansas State
the ncaa loss to auburn when their best player was out hurt
while at Memphis he let Kansas hit a 3 pointer at the buzzer to send it to overtime
there are more times especially when continued to play man to man when the opponent continually beat their man off the dribble for lay ups
what about his refusal to change style of play to meet the teams best attributes
his arrogance is getting old, especially now that he isn't landing the top talent & winning when it counts
Ehh, a bit too dull for my taste.
Well, that's certainly plausible. Now which teams in the last decade+ have relied on Freshman to win it all? I can think of 2. But I can name a lot who relied on none. So the evidence suggests there is a much better chance with vets who weren't necessarily top rated guys. I think this years team is constructed of the type of players that win titles more often than not each year. I want to stay in that mold for a bit.
He's been to 6 Final Fours, and four of them were led by the likes of Towns, Rose, Davis, Randle, and Knight - all freshmen.
Your points in this thread could use some work.
You can name all the instances where you think coaching was the flaw. There are 10 instances on the exact flip side of each one you can name, where there was amazing coaching as well. So the argument makes no sense. Especially when you have to go back and name **** that happened in a Memphis vs Kansas game as if anyone here should give af.
Lol, if you say so bud.
I don’t recall knight being a top 5 freshman. He also had his lunch eaten twice by the same, more experienced player. We replace him with a more experienced guard, we could quite possibly have another title.
Rose's team lost because the pressure got to them to knock down ft's the more experienced team won.
Same thing with Randle and his team, and Towns and his team.
Davis was a freaking phenomenon who isn't walking thru that door anytime soon.
You literally just further affirmed my point. Thank you!
I love how you're attempting to downplay Rose, Knight, Randle, and Towns - who were each the best player for their Final Four team.
Like I said, your points need tinkering.
Lol, Young outplayed Randle both F4 games.
Knight got chewed up by Kemba, twice! And Liggins and Jorts were just as big in us making that run.
Towns I didn't even bother with.
CDR outscored Rose both final four games for Memphis. He would likely have been MOP. Dozier was also huge for them.
Might need to study up on your data big guy.
You mean if we replaced Knight with Aaron Craft we win that game? You mean the same guy Knight beat that day?
Lol, Aaron Craft was a 4 time big 10 all defense. 2 x big 10 dpoy, all big ten, all big 10 tourney team twice. Big 10 mvp and big 10 6th man of the year. I think he could probably do okay...
You didn't bother with towns but he's the whole reason that we defeated Notre Dame in the Elite 8? Plus you think how long he has four final fours. Says everything about why you're here.
You know you can't leave us hanging. Since who? I mean what player from the past do you have in mind that is equal on this kids talent? Just curious, so I can set my expectations on par, lol.
I think he's a combination of Malik Monk and Devin Booker but more athletic then both and not as consistent with jumper yet--but he will get there if he keeps working like he has. Monk was smooth scorer and explosive, but Booker was tough and played on a mediocre AAU team and made them competitive and was a better player then advertised--which was a "shooter" only. This is the guy who is a magnet for other players too. Know Clark gets talked of being a "ringleader" but nobody is picking a school because of him-there are guys who want to play with and respect Sharpe's game a great deal. Get his commitment and this class will have a chance to be #1 in country.
Yeah and we still beat him.Lol, Aaron Craft was a 4 time big 10 all defense. 2 x big 10 dpoy, all big ten, all big 10 tourney team twice. Big 10 mvp and big 10 6th man of the year. I think he could probably do okay...
You said final four thought initially, right? How did he do there?
I guess we will move goalposts again soon.We beat a couple of the players we picked up as transfers this year and last. You passing on them too?
So only their performances in the Final Four count? The entire road to the Final Four is discounted because you said so?You said final four thought initially, right? How did he do there?
I thought the discussion was about freshmen performances. The bottom line is that those five freshmen led their teams to the Final Four.
You only counting their performances after they got to the Final Four in order to downplay their abilities as freshmen is laughable.
I’m sure this will be the thread and username where y’all show him the error of his ways. Dont give up.
Knight is the biggest reason '11 even made the FF. I seem to remember him having two game winners in route to FF.
What other UK player Freshman or otherwise did that in the tournament? I'll wait for your answer...nm, I'll help you out, another Freshman, Aaron Harrison.
And Randle...you mean the guy that averaged a double double in that tournament run?
Karl Towns? Lol, that is a comical argument...
Lol, you're the one who brought up F4's, I just responded using your standards.
So, we had 2 freshman hit some shots, which we subsequently still lost both tournaments, but we somehow need these freshman to be successful?
So, we had 2 freshman hit some shots, which we subsequently still lost both tournaments, but we somehow need these freshman to be successful?
"2 freshman hit some shots"...lol. If that is the historical context you want to subscribe to, by all means go for it.
I never said we had to have super star freshman to be successful.
I responded to your post which was essentially downplaying the success of a handful of freshmen.
BTW, it isn't that easy to win tournaments. The three teams I referred two were each primarily led by freshmen or their best players were freshman and account for 3 of our 17 FF's.
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Well, you might have joined the convo too late to understand the context.
I am a big fan and supporter of all our players , all the Freshman included. Not downplaying any of them.
My argument is that history shows experience laden teams win almost always. Wez as a fanbase, have been adamant about moving away from a OAD method and emphasizing experience. Now, as soon as we get some actual experience and seem to be transitioning to that model, everyone is all about maxing out on OAD again. It's just very contradictory and ignorant, in my opinion.
Now, in an effort to defend it, some of you all are throwing out names of the multitude of phenom freshman we had that came up short, primarily due to youth!
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Leadbelly.Lol, you're the one who brought up F4's, I just responded using your standards.
What are you talking about? Your original statement was that if we didn’t have Knight on that team, and we had an experienced guard we would have went further. Now I’m not sure what you’re on about.We beat a couple of the players we picked up as transfers this year and last. You passing on them too?
Only it isn’t 11. He has missed the whole tourney 2 times, lost in the second round once lost to lower seeded teams 3 more times, and lost a Final Four game with 6 NBA players agianst a team with 1. His coaching is suspect especially for the last half of his tenure here.
Lol, you implied you would pass on Craft because "we still beat him." We still beat guys like Wheeler, Grady and Mintz. Using your logic, I asked if you would pass on them too!
Lol, you seriously needed that explained for you?
I didn’t imply I would pass on him. The obvious point was that the experienced guard will not always prevail over the other. You use emojis like you are still in High school, everything doesn’t need a laughing emoji.Lol, you implied you would pass on Craft because "we still beat him." We still beat guys like Wheeler, Grady and Mintz. Using your logic, I asked if you would pass on them too!
Lol, you seriously needed that explained for you?
Losing a game that you are favored to win doesn’t automatically imply bad coaching. That is such a terrible way to determine it. Even more so when you factor in most of the examples are in a single elimination tournament that prides itself on upsets.
Okay since you aren’t willing to accept NCAA tourney losses how about the losses to in the regular season, home loss to Evansville, Richmond, losing record to KU in last 5 as well as UCLA, losing record to UT in last five years as well as Auburn, embarrassing rout by Duke on National TV. Frankly name ANYONE that’s any good that Cal has beaten consistantly in the las t5-6 years.
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coaching has been suspect since he arrived
a lot of the times he has simply had superior talent & that talent won the game not his coaching
home losses used to be a once in a while thing, now they are a regular thing
his arrogance was something the fans could accept when he was recruiting the best of the best & getting to final fours
now it is almost unbearable to listen to him
now he throws players under the bus
he runs the same so called offense every year, regardless of the skill set
great examples of his coaching are playing Skal &the Wake Forest transfer out of position
Great coaches adapt to talent & situations, not stay the same
he needs to earn the fans respect & his 10 million salary