SECT Mizzou Game Thread

Xenomorph

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Mizzou starter nearing his end
 

CochiseCowbell

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Oct 29, 2012
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At this point is the home plate ump superfluous to the operation?

ABS should call all balls and strikes. An ump in the field holds new baseballs. Once every 5 games when there is a close play at the plate just review it... you're going to anyway.

Still need him for balks, catcher interference, swinging strike calls, etc. Plus time-wise for every pitch with the ABS would slow the game down.

The hope is that umps across the board will get better because they can be challenged. This also helps everyone know the zone and it stays more consistent.
 

patdog

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Classic example of how NOT to bunt properly.
And why bunting is overrated. Even if executed perfectly it's debatable. And so often it's completely 17ed up. One bunting stat that never show up is how many times a batter gets to 2 strikes on a bunt attempt, then swings away and makes an out failing to advance the runner(s). Doesn't go down as a failed bunt attempt, but it's a failed bunt attempt.
 

NukeDogg

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And why bunting is overrated. Even if executed perfectly it's debatable. And so often it's completely 17ed up. One bunting stat that never show up is how many times a batter gets to 2 strikes on a bunt attempt, then swings away and makes an out failing to advance the runner(s). Doesn't go down as a failed bunt attempt, but it's a failed bunt attempt.
Disagree. It's a useful tool that should have a very high success rate. And how many times have we seen a failed bunt defense attempt that results in a sacrifice going for a hit. Bunting is not hard. We should be able to drop a sacrifice bunt at will.
 
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FlotownDawg

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And why bunting is overrated. Even if executed perfectly it's debatable. And so often it's completely 17ed up. One bunting stat that never show up is how many times a batter gets to 2 strikes on a bunt attempt, then swings away and makes an out failing to advance the runner(s). Doesn't go down as a failed bunt attempt, but it's a failed bunt attempt.
Haven't statistical studies been done that show sacrifice bunting actually decreases your chances of scoring because you're giving up an out just to move a baserunner over? So you're giving up 33% of your outs for an inning to move a base runner up 90 feet. Basically if you sacrifice bunt, you're playing to score just one run, which can be useful if it's the bottom of the ninth in a tie game or something, but in the 5th? Suspect.
 
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Xenomorph

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Letting that guy throw to Ace Reece right there tells me Mariano Riviera ain't walking out of the bullpen.
 

patdog

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Disagree. It's a useful tool that should have a very high success rate. And how many times have we seen a failed bunt defense attempt that results in a sacrifice going for a hit. Bunting is not hard. We should be able to drop a sacrifice bunt at will.
You say that. But even at the MLB level, 35-40% of bunt attempts fail. With such a low success rate, and marginal if any increase in expected runs even if successful, bunting it the dumbest play in baseball.
 

patdog

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Haven't statistical studies been done that show sacrifice bunting actually decreases your chances of scoring because you're giving up an out just to move a baserunner over? So you're giving up 33% of your outs for an inning to move a base runner up 90 feet. Basically if you sacrifice bunt, you're playing to score just one run, which can be useful if it's the bottom of the ninth in a tie game or something, but in the 5th? Suspect.
From Boydsworld. A successful bunt with runners on 1st & 2nd with no outs decreases your expected runs from 1.87 to 1.28.
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R%
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R%
ER
R%
Empty0.7334.6%0.3921.0%0.15 8.9%
1st1.2552.4%0.7033.3%0.2714.8%
2nd1.5369.5%0.8846.8%0.3823.7%
3rd1.7585.1%1.1467.3%0.4227.5%
1st and 2nd1.8770.3%1.1047.4%0.4823.9%
1st and 3rd2.1385.9%1.2861.0%0.5227.3%
2nd and 3rd2.3385.9%1.4868.0%0.6029.4%
Loaded2.5484.6%1.6163.7%0.7332.0%
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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Haven't statistical studies been done that show sacrifice bunting actually decreases your chances of scoring because you're giving up an out just to move a baserunner over? So you're giving up 33% of your outs for an inning to move a base runner up 90 feet. Basically if you sacrifice bunt, you're playing to score just one run, which can be useful if it's the bottom of the ninth in a tie game or something, but in the 5th? Suspect.
That may have been our worst bat of the year. The inability to, bunt in critical situations is gonna hurt eventually.
 
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CochiseCowbell

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You say that. But even at the MLB level, 35-40% of bunt attempts fail. With such a low success rate, and marginal if any increase in expected runs even if successful, bunting it the dumbest play in baseball.

When you say fail, do you mean fail to move runners or fail to get on base? Or fail to do either?
 

thekimmer

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At this point is the home plate ump superfluous to the operation?

ABS should call all balls and strikes. An ump in the field holds new baseballs. Once every 5 games when there is a close play at the plate just review it... you're going to anyway.
Still need him for catcher interference. Batter interference, HBP. Foul tip on strike 3. Fouls at the plate off the batter. Plus a few more. Plenty for him to do besides call balls and strikes
 

Xenomorph

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Still need him for catcher interference. Batter interference, HBP. Foul tip on strike 3. Fouls at the plate off the batter. Plus a few more. Plenty for him to do besides call balls and strikes
Every one of those that isn't obvious is already being reviewed.