Oh I agree with you. I think Trev would do that as well, have things lined up or is in the process of lining them up.
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That's what I would do too. I just haven't heard anything to make me think that is what is actually going on.
We don't need a "Superstar" coach...Frost was hyped up to be a superstar, and look at him now. We just need a solid coach who will run a fundamentally-sound program and put together a good staff.
Most of the top coaches right now, did not even have head-coaching experience when hired....Kirby Smart, Luke Fickell, Ryan Day, Lincoln Riley, Dave Aranda, Mike Gundy. Go find a top coordinator who is hungry for a head-coaching role and loves to recruit, rather than focusing on a big name.
I bet it was made when Moos was fired. They wanted to and did support him to see if they could make it work, but they are dead silent had have been after the last two games now. The other day when Trev was on the radio he has all of the chance in the world to end the conversation and he didn't for a reason.
I think cause and effect is in question here. You question whether he is sick of coaching changes or sick of the losing that results in coaching changes. Maybe the poster is suggesting that all of the coaching changes have contributed to all of the losing. You went through at least 2 seasons claiming that Frost was still fixing what the previous regime had left behind so he got a pass. Then you had a period where he was still learning on the job but there were indications that he was getting it so he just needed a little more time. That was actually the first half of this year. Now they lose a few games and it's time to start over again with a new guy. In the meantime recruiting has taken a dive because of all the uncertainty and when the new guy comes in the cycle begins anew. Maybe this carousel of coaches is at least partially responsible for the results you see on the field?
You’ll know a lot more after Ohio State. It’s the type of game that in the past was where all the wheels fall off and players seem to give up on previous coaching regimes.
I'm talking from basically 2012-2014 not just his last year. There are plenty of big blow outs.
Go do a poll and see how many of us vote for you being spot on for the timing.
Do it now!
I’m 50/50. This season has been nothing short of a disaster. It’s great that we hung around with OU, MSU and UM. But we looked like dog crap against IU, Minny and Purdue.
I would like to keep Frost on a few conditions.
1. New QB is top priority. AM is a great kid but he’s just not getting it done. If he was ever going to turn the corner he would have by now. So new QB next season, if one isn’t on the roster, the. Hitting the portal hard is a must.
2. New QB coach. AM has talent, but for whatever reason he hasn’t progressed and that has to do with the coach. So Coach V has to go and no, Frost can not be the QB coach. A dedicated QB coach from outside the program.
3. Hire an outside Special Teams coach and get a kicker.
4. Relinquish all play calling duties to your OC. Be the CEO of the team, stop trying to micromanage the offense.
5. OL must be better which means it may be time to consider a new OL coach.
IF Frost does those 5 things, I’d be in favor of giving him one more year. If not, then he is never going to address the issues, so time for him to go.
I would like to keep Frost on a few conditions.
1. New QB is top priority. AM is a great kid but he’s just not getting it done. If he was ever going to turn the corner he would have by now. So new QB next season, if one isn’t on the roster, the. Hitting the portal hard is a must.
2. New QB coach. AM has talent, but for whatever reason he hasn’t progressed and that has to do with the coach. So Coach V has to go and no, Frost can not be the QB coach. A dedicated QB coach from outside the program.
3. Hire an outside Special Teams coach and get a kicker.
4. Relinquish all play calling duties to your OC. Be the CEO of the team, stop trying to micromanage the offense.
5. OL must be better which means it may be time to consider a new OL coach.
IF Frost does those 5 things, I’d be in favor of giving him one more year. If not, then he is never going to address the issues, so time for him to go.
I just feel like you can't keep a HC and tell him all the things he has to do. Frost thinks what he is doing is going to work.
I think you have to get a new HC if you want different results.
Well, no, because his last year there was only one blowout.
And by the time he reached the Big ten it was basically all his guys anyway, for the most part.
But it doesn't matter now. Bo is gone.
Ok, so 3 blowouts a year the two and 1 in 2014. Whatever. Pelinis D went downhill in a hurry as our D-Line talent left. Point was is we are to a point where we aren't even close to getting blown out and the growth of the D has been a bonus in ****** times. If we had a bad D the last two years we may not have won a game.
Wish Bill Callahan had been given the opportunity to make staff changes prior to getting canned for 2 losing seasons in 4 years. At least Bill brought in NFL recruits. There's no incentive to keep Frost unless his team gets hot to end the season on a winning streak.
We're you making this same type of post when Pelini was on the hot seat? If not, your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Agree with this. An AD will never have the respect of their existing or potential future coaches if they micromanage player personnel and assistants. By avoiding this you place success or failure 100% on the HC without excuse, where it belongs. If we go 3-9 there's nothing further to consider. If we go 4-8 or 5-7, Trev asks Scott what tangible changes he would make to have a better 2022. If Frost says nothing, he will have fired himself because Trev can clearly see the on-the-field results.
It would be somewhat easier to be in the one more year camp if Frost wasn’t completely crapping the bed on the recruiting trail like he does every Saturday.
Another year with Frost is just another year away from being relevant. I get that it’s hard for some to accept that Frost is a failure because of his playing days. But, he’s the worst coach in the Big Ten. Nebraska can’t afford to keep him around despite his large buyout.
which recruits are going to be gullible enough after seeing these last 4 years to be hoodwinked into committing to Frost.
you only get a couple of years to sell your program on potential and being part of a glorious rebuild. After that it becomes “show me -don’t tell me”
If you have ever been in a leadership position and trying to drive certain outcomes, then you know:
- TA is coaching SF each and every week on how to be better in all aspects
- TA is supporting SF to the bitter end of the season
- TA will ask SF if he has a plan to lead to the outcomes that are clearly not being met (new staff, new qb, etc)
- TA will see if that plan makes sense (assuming there is a plan) and make the decision.
Scott Frost will fire himself in a sense, Trev will simply inform him on whether those changes are enough or not. No way a good AD is going to tell a coach which players to play or coaches to hire.
- TA is coaching SF each and every week on how to be better in all aspects
- TA is supporting SF to the bitter end of the season
- TA will ask SF if he has a plan to lead to the outcomes that are clearly not being met (new staff, new qb, etc)
- TA will see if that plan makes sense (assuming there is a plan) and make the decision.
Scott Frost will fire himself in a sense, Trev will simply inform him on whether those changes are enough or not. No way a good AD is going to tell a coach which players to play or coaches to hire.
when you make a $5 mill elite coaching salary have and have a .366 winning percentage....coupled with terrible coaching/coaching decisions, no player developement and a weak staff of coaches as we have seen for 4 years......any goodwill because of your alumni status gets tossed out the window.
Micromanagement is necessary in some circumstances. When a coach has loyalty issues is one example where it's okay for the AD to step in and say a change needs to be made. A head coach can be doing a great job in every other instance, but one assistant coach may be holding him back. In that case, I don't think the AD stepping in to make a decision for the betterment of the program is such a bad thing.
If this was the case, TA should have stepped in and forced Frost to fire Austin and Verduzco before the season. If TA was really taking in Frost as some sort of mentorship project, he's already failed miserably.
Clearly they know how things should be…..the culture has been bad all along. The team voted NOT to play after frost went through all that to get them to play. I’ll give him credit he put his knock on the line but he should have had them play if he wanted a tough culture.
yeah he wants to trade a guy who can't beat Iowa for another guy who can't beat Iowa and is also objectively worse than Bo Pelini. oh yeah, last guy also made their FCS tuneup in Northern Iowa a rivalry game
Problem is, Frost was once a proven coordinator, hungry for a head coaching role. Then he got a HC role at UCF. Did well. Came here.
It seems that formula didn't work with Frost or Pelini (even though that one actually kind of worked). I'm over the finding a diamond in the rough bullsh*t. Either find a proven head coach, or go with yet another unknown.
You'd think after having done this 5 times since Osborne we would have learned our lesson by now. But it seems we're still perpetually searching for the shiny new object.
The two situations were completely different. Bo wasn't on the hot seat because of his win/loss record and you know it.
Bo was never on the hot seat.
That was the problem. Dorks in the media and virgin Husker fans created it.
The blow outs to Wisconsin hurt him but it never would have cost him his job. He cut his own sack with his paraonia. He literally had athletic department employees monitoring posts on this board and making phone calls to intimidate people who criticized him. I had Jeff Jamrog making phone calls trying to find where I lived. He lost his job because of the accumulation of bad behavior including multiple audiotapes of him cursing the fans and administration. The guy had some serious anger management issues.
1. All the coaches look at this stuff and read the papers...
2. The rest of your post is not accurate.
The rest of what stuff isn't accurate? I had family members getting phone calls from Jamrog trying to find me. I was told by someone that knew Jamrog that they had a grad assistant who tracked and charted posts on this board for Pelini. You can think what you want.
No offense, but to post what you just did (and calling Pelini the paranoid one in the process) is just a tad ironic. Not saying you're wrong or lying, per se, but I assume we would've heard a bit more about it if it were true.
Actually much of what has been said by dinglefritz has been said before. There are more stories about Bo acting like this. Upto and including his actions after he was fired. Believe it do not believe it but it has been talked about on this board more than a few times.
Ha...yeah we know, crazy fans that start crazy Bo rumors
1. His wife wore gloves that said **** YOU SP...everyone say them...yet not one picturee
2. Bo was kicked out of a middle school softball game, in front of everyone. No one has a picture
3. Bo was kicked out of a middle school basketball game, in front of everyone. No pictures.
4. During game day, in Lincoln, he drove around town, got out of his car, went to a hotel and fought a booster, no one saw it...
We all know!
Just like 3 months ago Frost was at Gate 25 ******* college girls all the time...no one has a picture.
Moos was passed out each night at the bars...no pictures.
Come on.
You forget how badly NU was whipping MSU at home before our punter f'd up. I wouldn't proclaim Tucker the second coming just yet. I'm taking Ohio today over MSU by a bunch.
How do you offer physical proof that somebody 8 years ago was making phone calls trying to find you? I think my history on this board is pretty solid and I am always quite willing to offer apologies if I'm wrong about something. I'm not about this one. I had a family member who was tight with multiple football coaches and people in the AD's office. Bo sh## the bed. That was on him. Tom himself has stated multiple times after Frost was hired that hiring Pelini was a mistake. Now run along and clean your room Mr. Superbig June 10, 2021 joining fan.....Winking