Trying to think, who on 2023 would start in place for 2009? I’d need a list of starters side by side but 09s talent seems superior
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Bo had Callahan recruited talent. He did great with great talent. He would not be doing very well, imho, with Frost recruited talent.
It clearly was. You can't even look at inna player vs player standpoint either. It's taken nothing away from this defense. This defense is really good. But that one was on another level.
Guys like Suh, David, Prince were a couple first rounders in there. Then guys like Gomes, Hagg and Crick were also great.
This defense currently is maxing out its potential. That's all u can ask for. But they didn't/don't have quite the established talent yet that team did.
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Fans need to heed Rhules advice: one step at a time, don't get distracted by looking ahead. Of course fans being fans won't do that. But for now lets just work on winning the next game whether it be an ugly win or not. We need to win every next game we can in any way we can.
Suh alone was the type of transcendent, generational player who could almost literally cary the defense on his back all by himself. He was a man among boys out there.
The old cliche is defense being about emotion. Seems trite but I truly believe it. Watching Tony White's defense so far, they're very engaged and emotion driven as a unit. Even a very talented team (like 2009) though gets beat when they lose that emotional edge.
I get your point, but I don’t think people are saying this is the best Nebraska defense ever. People are just dang impressed with the defense we are seeing now because our defense has been so maligned the last 8-10 years.
QBs we’ve faced haven’t been world beaters, but we’ve easily lost to these same kind of offenses year after year, making them look great in the process. It’s nice to make a bad QB look worse for a change. Very nice.
Side note- a reminder when some bash the walk on program and get fixated on the # of "stars".
"The defense was led once again by Isaac Gifford who had 10 tackles, two for loss and at least one pass breakup. He was all over the field and at times I wondered if there were two #2s on the defense. John Bullock added 7 stops and Phalen Sanford (6 tackles) is playing extremely well as a backup turned starter."
*And don't forget Remier our best LB... is also a walk on.
"The defense was led once again by Isaac Gifford who had 10 tackles, two for loss and at least one pass breakup. He was all over the field and at times I wondered if there were two #2s on the defense. John Bullock added 7 stops and Phalen Sanford (6 tackles) is playing extremely well as a backup turned starter."
*And don't forget Remier our best LB... is also a walk on.
Which we all would have excused if he wouldn't have lost those four games every single year
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wrong.
Bo's antics were embarrassing.
there's a reason he's no longer gainfully employed - in addition to being a stark raving lunatic, he was also not that good a football coach
True and Bo and Carl deserve a ton of credit for that alone. Suh wasn't "SUH" until he got with Carl and Bo.
That's why I also give our DC now a ton of credit. Because he has guys like Nash, Heinrich, Thomas , Gifford, Brown, and Hill looking like totally different players. All the while developing the young guys like Lenhardt,Prince, Van Poppel, and Williams.
I love this current defensive staff. But just don't think THIS defense was as good as THAT defense.
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Suh was a generational talent. Maybe Carl developed his technique but he was going to be great no matter who his coach was. JMO.
Disagree completely. Maybe yall don't remember Suh before Bo and Carl got there. Do yourself a favor and go and watch games before that time. There was nothing generational great about Suh.
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...AFTER Bo and Carl arrived. I'm not saying he wasn't talented because he was but hasn't even close to the guy he became after Bo and Carl.
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I remember him very well. He was a young undisciplined pup. He still was a force physically. He matured and I think he would have ended up the same guy if he had transferred like he considered. He didn’t stay in the NFL as long as he did because the Pelinis coached him. He’s a physical freak.
Carl actually was a very good DL coach despite all of his character shortcomings which have outweighed his coaching accomplishments in the eyes of most fans..
i think you mean john blake's recruits. bob stoops used them too to win a nc
Yeah I couldn't disagree more. We seen nothing from Suh before Carl got there would've made you remotely think he would be what he became at Nebraska. Only thing we knew about him at that time was that he was highly rated coming out of HS and was SUPPOSED to be really good. But we hadn't seen anything suggesting he would be THAT guy.
I still remember Suh in the Army All American as a HS senior. He was so good that he played OL in that game.
It's easy to look back now and say what he became was gonna happen anyways. But it's just not true. You would think watching our defense this year would give you an example of what coaching and developing can do.
I guess guys like Nash, Gifford, Heinrich, Butler, etc would all be what they are now without the coaching and development they got this year?
See Wandale Robinson going to Kentucky? He NEVER becomes that guy here.
What Carl and Bo did for Suh is invaluable and can't be understated.
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So how do we account for him winning like he did? I know how much you value winning so I'm curious how u explain .
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You would think by getting our teeth kicked in year in and out ,you would have everybody understanding that we are totally broke and need to be rebuilt. Maybe they don't know what that means or don't want to sit through it. I see a guy that gets it. He has a vision and a plan. Nebraska needs to be a tough nose running team first that plays great defense. Period. I've been around this planet long enough to know if a guy has it as a leader or not. Rhule has in hard wired in his DNA.
did we win any games we weren't expected to?
had a lot of really good players and didn't play a lot of very good teams
Do you use the same metrics with this current team?
Can't use that narrative when it's convenient.
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Wisconsin just scored again on a jet sweep….. He beat most of the teams he should have beaten given the talent we had. We got slaughtered by teams with similar talent in some cases. Then you look at his failures in areas other than game day coaching and I think it’s reasonable to say he was not a great head coach.
yes.
we are beating the crap teams that used to beat us
and we've now won 2 as an underdog with HH/Rhule (@ILL, PUR)
I remember the story that he came in to see Bo and was talking about leaving. Bo says, " Go" . But if you stay I will make you into the player you should be. " " You haven't impressed me so far " ...something along those lines. He went from being a player to a man beast who should have won the Heisman.
Never said he was a GREAT coach (go look). I said he was a GOOD coach and I'll stand by it. You don't coach as long as he did switching conferences and win as many games as he did by being an average or bad coach. You guys are having trouble separating his off the field, *** hole, screw the fans persona vs what his team's done on the field. You are what your record says you are and what he did at Nebraska suggests he was a "good coach" whether you like him or not.
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Exactly...funny thing is SUH WOULD EVEN TELL YOU THIS.
Also mentioned Glenn Dorsey (think that was his name). All American DL at LSU who was a first rounder. Pelini basically told Suh he couldn't hold his jock strap unless he made some changes....and him.and Carl would get him there. Suh trusted him...
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