Ulis was SEC defensive POY, if I recall correctly. Yes, he could defend. I think Wheeler can be a Ulis-type player.
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Last year, Mintz averaged 12/3/3 with 2 TOs, 1 steal and shot 39% from the floor in 30 MPG.
I think any and all of us would be thrilled to have him back as the de facto backup PG.
Wheeler's numbers were 14/4/7.4 with 4 TOs and 2 steals on 40% shooting in 35 MPG.
What we missed last year, more than anything, was a guy who could get by his man and create offense. You would hope those TOs go down with better players around him and John Calipari coaching a PG and you would hope the %s go up with him being able to pick his spots without being the focal point of the offense or opposing defenses.
Even with the guys we've brought in/back, there's not an abundance of playmaking. Having/being good shooters will open up driving lanes, but Cal's best teams can beat you off the dribble and we desperately need a guy who can. Grady/Fredrick/Allen's 3PT ability won't matter if we just pass it around the perimeter.
Last year, Mintz averaged 12/3/3 with 2 TOs, 1 steal and shot 39% from the floor in 30 MPG.
I think any and all of us would be thrilled to have him back as the de facto backup PG.
Wheeler's numbers were 14/4/7.4 with 4 TOs and 2 steals on 40% shooting in 35 MPG.
What we missed last year, more than anything, was a guy who could get by his man and create offense. You would hope those TOs go down with better players around him and John Calipari coaching a PG and you would hope the %s go up with him being able to pick his spots without being the focal point of the offense or opposing defenses.
Even with the guys we've brought in/back, there's not an abundance of playmaking. Having/being good shooters will open up driving lanes, but Cal's best teams can beat you off the dribble and we desperately need a guy who can. Grady/Fredrick/Allen's 3PT ability won't matter if we just pass it around the perimeter.
Every short point guard we recruit is going to be like Tyler.People said the same about quade Green and it sure gets old.
Devin Askew and Nolan Hickman (oops) are both "taller Tyler Ulis's", too
Just to clarify
Do we not think we're getting TyTy?
I think if Tyty is ready to be a superstar PG, Cal will play him as the starter, and Wheeler is the backup. But if TyTy isn't ready, perhaps Wheeler starts and Tyty plays more off-ball.
But after a year of Askew failing to do much of anything, a guy that has already averaged 7 assists against our conference seems like a welcome addition.
Do we not think we're getting TyTy?
I think if Tyty is ready to be a superstar PG, Cal will play him as the starter, and Wheeler is the backup. But if TyTy isn't ready, perhaps Wheeler starts and Tyty plays more off-ball.
But after a year of Askew failing to do much of anything, a guy that has already averaged 7 assists against our conference seems like a welcome addition.
But a lot of these guys were unproven. I think you mentioned Quade as well.
Wheeler has played against the SEC and averaged 7.4 assists on a bad Georgia team. He got in the paint and scored against the likes of Isiah Jackson.
Is he going to be 1st team All-American like Ulis? Probably not. But can he come here, get in the lane, break down the defense and be an assists machine? Probably. He's already done it vs the conference we play in.
I suspect that's the plan early on. If Wheeler isn't getting it done, Cal can move TyTy over.
I wonder how the minutes get split up with Grady and Frederick
Let's just hope he isn't also the turnover machine he was last season.
TTW is coming to play PG for UK. Wheeler is a true PG in every sense of the word. IMO both shouldn't be on the floor at the same time unless it's a special critical possession situation. So, that means the possibility is there for one of those guys to be unhappy about playing time. Let's hope that doesn't happen. The last thing we need is another season with behind the scenes drama.
I think we have to wait to see the final roster. If Cal lands Hardy, everything changes.
I think (assuming Mintz leaves), you're looking at Fredrick being the first guard sub off the bench if Cal goes Wheeler/TyTy/Grady.
By the end of the season, I'd expect TyTy, Grady, Allen to be the 1-3 and Wheeler/Fredrick to sub in for whoever comes out first, then slide everyone else down one position. TyTy to the 2, Grady to the 3, etc. depending on which guy comes out.
I'd say Grady will lead the team in minutes, but I've learned that my preseason plans are often way off lol.
I think Tyty compares well to Brandon Knight/IQ. Having a guy that can create and shoot from 3 as your SG can be tremendous.
But if Wheeler just can't hack it as some fear, then Cal will surely make TyTy the main pg.
Yeah. I just think you've got to look at inefficiency through the lens of what help you have. If you're on a talented team and shooting poorly and turning it over a ton--you're probably just someone that doesn't make good decisions and doesn't take care of the ball.
If you're on a team void of talent--you're probably forcing the action because you have to. So you take worse shots than you'd like at times. You attempt passes that aren't what you'd like to be throwing.
Come to KY where you've got shooters galore and talented bigs--all of a sudden, you're not taking bad shots to get a shot up. You're not forcing passes.
Dominique Wilkins is a great athlete and basketball player. Vern Fleming, Terry Fair and teammates went to the Final Four AFTER Wilkins went Pro. He was not a team player. He would not have been a good fit at UK..it was all about 'Nique. Vern Fleming was the better overall player...led Georgia to a Final Four, Gold Medal Olympian, and had a long NBA career. I have heard knowledgeable people say that if he had not played his NBA career in Indianapolis, but instead had played in his native New York with Knicks or in some other big market, he would have been seen as a superstar.
You start Wheeler and let Ty get his feet wet as the season moves along. Grady has to be the two guard and maybe Dontae at SF. We finally have some depth at each position thought I would like to see more talent among our bigs. Hope Cal doesn’t play favorites as he usually does and screw this up. We might have a chance at a decent season next year.
I’m going to be honest potentially having 3 players in the playing rotation who are sub-par defenders in Wheeler, Frederick, & Allen has me a little nervous.
Kid will be our starter come mid season an a absolute star in Lexington - he will be the straw that stirs the drink for the Wildcats
I’m more excited to see him surrounded by snipers than any player we are bringing in
He puts this squad over the top
I’m more excited to see him surrounded by snipers than any player we are bringing in
He puts this squad over the top
Or even Marcus Bagley from Arizona St. If Brooks leaves he would fill a need and it'd be a middle finger to Justus.
I agree with all your thinking in theory. But on the court for whatever reason we tend to be a program that turns 40% perimeter shooters into 32% perimeter shooters, not the other way around.
Is he? I’ve always heard he was a mediocre defender. Hard to believe he’s a better defender than he is a good shooter.
Yeah no, that’s like saying Steph Curry's best attribute is his defense.
When you hit over 40% of the threes you take, that is your best attribute.
Kinda what I was getting at. I mean, at a 47% clip. That’s elite 3 point shooting. I would say shooting is his best attribute, by a pretty large margin.
I would disagree. Liggins was a great defender who could make an occasional 3.
I would Frederick is the exact opposite of Liggins. A great shooter who can defend on occasion. Cal did not get him to defend imo.
Shooting is his best skill (obviously), but he's a really good defender. He especially had a large impact on the overall team defense for Iowa. They were a different team on both ends with him out.
Fredrick's ability to space the floor with his 50 percent three-point shooting has helped national player of the year candidate allow more room inside to do his damage. Perhaps his biggest contribution is on the defensive end. Fredrick has been called one of the best perimeter defenders on the team by teammates and Iowa head coach Fran McCaffery.
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He was immediately inserted into the starting lineup as a redshirt freshman and praised for his shooting prowess and his ability as a defender. And, indeed, that was largely true of Fredrick's two seasons in black and gold: Iowa's perimeter defense was better when Fredrick was on the court (though it was still far from great, as we saw when Iowa faced back courts full of size, length, and athleticism) and he was a good 3-point shooter.
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When healthy, the 6-foot-3 C.J. Fredrick has been a productive shooting guard and has shown the ability to make big shots, and to play defense.
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He was immediately inserted into the starting lineup as a redshirt freshman and praised for his shooting prowess and his ability as a defender. And, indeed, that was largely true of Fredrick's two seasons in black and gold: Iowa's perimeter defense was better when Fredrick was on the court (though it was still far from great, as we saw when Iowa faced back courts full of size, length, and athleticism) and he was a good 3-point shooter.
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When healthy, the 6-foot-3 C.J. Fredrick has been a productive shooting guard and has shown the ability to make big shots, and to play defense.
When people saw that he was white.
To be fair, Carr was in the portal earlier. Tyty was committed to Creighton until mid April.
Bingo. White shooter for Iowa. They didn't need to see him play. They knew all about him.
It doesn’t. But that’s the lazy assumption. White boy shooter=bad on d.
