Sahvir Wheeler

Oboro3_rivals101424

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Apr 15, 2005
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The kid made 47% of his 2 point shots with everybody sagging off of him and he still averaged over 7 assists and in double figures. He also averaged 4 rebounds along with 2 steals. And on top of that, he is built like a smaller Briscoe where he is not going to be pushed around. The kid is a stat stuffer who does not need to hit any 3 pointers to make an impact on the game.
 

Bluesnky

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Jan 24, 2013
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The kid made 47% of his 2 point shots with everybody sagging off of him and he still averaged over 7 assists and in double figures. He also averaged 4 rebounds along with 2 steals. And on top of that, he is built like a smaller Briscoe where he is not going to be pushed around. The kid is a stat stuffer who does not need to hit any 3 pointers to make an impact on the game.
People here hated Briscoe. Players who bring their lunch pail every game need not apply. Gotta be able to stand around the perimeter and hit a three. Those are worth one more point than twos and that is all that matters.
 

jessieshorts8

Heisman
Jun 2, 2019
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People here hated Briscoe. Players who bring their lunch pail every game need not apply. Gotta be able to stand around the perimeter and hit a three. Those are worth one more point than twos and that is all that matters.
To me the turnovers are more a problem than the shooting.He's also known as a poor defender.
 

jessieshorts8

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Please tell me you are kidding about defense. He averaged 2 steals a game. Actually more than Hagans did when he won Defensive player of the year...lol
He's 5'8.You really think he's a great defender?You get mad when told his actual stats
 

Oboro3_rivals101424

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Apr 15, 2005
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And yet he averaged the same amount of steals as Ulis but Ulis was a better defender...nice logic...

And he shoots it at higher percentage of his 2 point shots than Ulis which means he can make his shots while defended...
 

Cat in ga

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Nov 2, 2017
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Jarvis Hayes
Kentavious Caldwell pope
Dominique
Yante maten
Good list. Add Walter Daniels to that list. Was Georgia’s leading scorer as a point guard prior to Dominique. Drafted by the Lakers same year as Magic. Hard to compete with Magic but Walt could play. Played at Southwest in Macon.
 

ukmelanie

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Apr 19, 2013
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He said he couldnt defend bc he was 5’8... Ulis was same height. His point had nothing to do w TO or shooting
But he's not good on D.My husband went to Georgia so I was stuck watching all their games with him.He got beat constantly on D,was very lazy getting back,took terrible and selfish shots.
 
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Bigtyrone

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Because we’ve had plenty of point guards who couldn’t shoot (Wall, Fox, Hagans) and as good as they were at everything else, it always turned out the same: defenses sagged off them and packed the paint, and they couldn’t use their speed and vision to get things going because the defense wouldn’t move.

A point guard has to be able to shoot well enough to keep defenses honest. 22% from 3 is the easiest game plan an opposing coach will have all season.

You don't think Wall or Fox made things happen?
 

kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
50,669
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The kid made 47% of his 2 point shots with everybody sagging off of him and he still averaged over 7 assists and in double figures. He also averaged 4 rebounds along with 2 steals. And on top of that, he is built like a smaller Briscoe where he is not going to be pushed around. The kid is a stat stuffer who does not need to hit any 3 pointers to make an impact on the game.
Jesus, how much is Wheeler paying you?
 

Cats192

Heisman
Apr 22, 2011
14,889
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But see, this is what we do every year, we always say "he doesn't NEED to do X, he only needs to do X" and that’s just incorrect.

The pg position is the most important position on the floor, if that pg isn’t elite, you aren't winning squat.

I guess the question is, what is the goal next year? Is it a FF/national title or sweet 16?

Tyty is an unknown, yeah, he looks pretty good, but he's going to have flaws, he is not a Jaden Hardy, which is a guy that can carry a team through the tournament and wheeler has major flaws. 22% from the outside and a high turnover average.

There are better options. This is UK, we shouldn't be saying "we don't need him to shoot it well" or "we don't need him to be great as long as the rest of the tem is good enough". Those are things that Cleveland State fans would say.
What constitutes elite?

2nd Team All-SEC. #1 in assists in the Power 5 conferences. He shot 32% from 3 as a freshman. One would surely think he'll improve from his sophomore season to his Junior season.

Hagans shot 26% and 28%. Those teams were both good enough to make it to the Final 4.

I don't think he's the best PG in the country. But it's entirely possible TyTy is the only person besides Wheeler we get at PG. Are we better off not taking Wheeler?
 
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track42

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Feb 18, 2017
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What constitutes elite?

2nd Team All-SEC. #1 in assists in the Power 5 conferences. He shot 32% from 3 as a freshman. One would surely think he'll improve from his sophomore season to his Junior season.

Hagans shot 26% and 28%. Those teams were both good enough to make it to the Final 4.

I don't think he's the best PG in the country. But it's entirely possible TyTy is the only person besides Wheeler we get at PG. Are we better off not taking Wheeler?
He got worse instead of better shooting as a sophomore so I don't think UK will all of a sudden make him a better shooter.Hagans play actually kept us from final fours so that doesn't cheer me up.Yes if he is all you can get you take him.
 

cats#1again

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Nov 27, 2011
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Because we’ve had plenty of point guards who couldn’t shoot (Wall, Fox, Hagans) and as good as they were at everything else, it always turned out the same: defenses sagged off them and packed the paint, and they couldn’t use their speed and vision to get things going because the defense wouldn’t move.

A point guard has to be able to shoot well enough to keep defenses honest. 22% from 3 is the easiest game plan an opposing coach will have all season.
Yea, those guys you listed were all freaks at driving to the rim. You can't have both. That is when they go get paid.
I would 10/1 rather have a guy that can break down a defense instead of a shooter
 
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cats#1again

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He got worse instead of better shooting as a sophomore so I don't think UK will all of a sudden make him a better shooter.Hagans play actually kept us from final fours so that doesn't cheer me up.Yes if he is all you can get you take him.
Yes , if you ignore every other fault of those games and point him out as the only mistakes... Sure it was on him
 

track42

Heisman
Feb 18, 2017
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Who talked about John Wall's to for the last 10 seasons? He didn't avg 8 assists either With actual players to get the ball to
You really are building Wheeler up to being something he's not but you will learn the hard way.
 

ukmelanie

All-Conference
Apr 19, 2013
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You really are building Wheeler up to being something he's not but you will learn the hard way.
People have learned nothing from last season.Still building up guys as being better than they really are.I guess part of being a fan is seeing what you want to see.
 

cats#1again

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Nov 27, 2011
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You really are building Wheeler up to being something he's not but you will learn the hard way.
Building up? Lol because I am not pounding on the kid like you other basement goons , I'm building him up...

If we are gonna point out stats let's point out stats.
When you see a response like this it lets you know you're talking to a dude that's defeated and has nothing else to say.
 

cats#1again

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Nov 27, 2011
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You really are building Wheeler up to being something he's not but you will learn the hard way.
I just point you out. You're one of the fans that want an nba lottery pick to stay 4 years. Every kid in college has some kind of fault to his game. It's that simple
 

jcmc225

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Nov 12, 2015
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But he's not good on D.My husband went to Georgia so I was stuck watching all their games with him.He got beat constantly on D,was very lazy getting back,took terrible and selfish shots.
Sorry you have to sit through UGA basketball
 
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kyjeff1

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Sep 8, 2012
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I’ll just leave this here. Not sure if these highlights have been posted or not. The kid has really good court vision.

There's no doubt he is a talent. He is extremely quick and I think he plays with an all-or-nothing mindset at times. Forces plays that aren't there, which is probably why he had such a high turnover average.
It can certainly be fixed and he can develop an outside shooting game.
I like the fact that he gets into the lane and finishes well, even at 5'10".
I just think Cal could do better. Maybe he sees something in Wheeler he likes, but at 5'10", he’s not someone Cal typically goes after. He brought Ulis in, but that kid was on a different level.
 

Cowtown Cat

Heisman
Aug 23, 2015
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There's no doubt he is a talent. He is extremely quick and I think he plays with an all-or-nothing mindset at times. Forces plays that aren't there, which is probably why he had such a high turnover average.
It can certainly be fixed and he can develop an outside shooting game.
I like the fact that he gets into the lane and finishes well, even at 5'10".
I just think Cal could do better. Maybe he sees something in Wheeler he likes, but at 5'10", he’s not someone Cal typically goes after. He brought Ulis in, but that kid was on a different level.
Exactly right, Cal doesn’t necessarily like small PGs, meaning he definitely sees something he likes. The staff is saying that if he can average nearly 8 assists at UGA, he should be even better here, with more talent around him. I can’t really disagree with that sentiment at this juncture.

Here’s the thing. We needed a backup PG, regardless. Not many guys are gonna want to come and play behind a freshman, which Wheeler most likely will be doing. I would much rather Cal grab this kid now, just in case we aren’t able to get a better option. I definitely don’t want to go into the season with one PG.

EDIT: We’ve been beat so many times by small, quick guards just like Wheeler. We always say, “man, I wish we had a small, quick guard to fix that issue.” I’m paraphrasing of course. Anyway, Wheeler may be that guy.
 

megablue

Heisman
Oct 2, 2012
15,638
15,824
113
He will beat anyone who guards him off the dribble. If he gets to the rim, he will score. If they stop his penetration with inside help, he will dish. If they sag on him, he will get screens. He will protect the ball better, no doubt. I also think he will make our inside players better, especially Oscar. I hope we get Wheeler.