***Rutgers OC Search Update***

[MADHAT1]

LOL. So much for footballscoop having the scoop. #FakeNews!!!!
You should start your own website/ Twitter feed. You are more up to date!

Are you saying didn't happen or my sarcasm meter not running [winking]
He was hired according to this :
Back in the game: Claeys named Washington St. defensive coordinator - StarTribune.com
Former Gophers football coach Tracy Claeys has been hired to be the defensive coordinator at Washington State, a person familiar with the situation told the Star Tribune on Monday.
http://www.startribune.com/former-g...ington-state-defensive-coordinator/468385443/

Now need Football scoop to post a RU OC rumor of hiring

 

[Knight Shift]

No, it happened. Was just disappointed footballscoop did not tweet the hire. I'll live. Reviewing the Twitter searches I set up is like watching grass grow.

 

[Lawesome]

Love this guy Stitt, he’s exactly what RU needs, a balls to the wall playcaller!!!!

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

You are really mining the landscape for OCs! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Do you think Ash will ultimately hire an out of the box candidate?

I think we are down to the three names being bounced around. However, yesterday that was only two names, and today we have three, so maybe we will have four tomorrow?

It sure was nice when the Hale Center was full of leaks.

I wonder how many names we are down to really. I think he's still looking because if we were really down to Carty/Fitch/McNulty the hire would have been made already. So to me he's not satisfied with what he's found and is still looking. In the end he may circle back to one of them but I feel like he's not satisfied yet. He's not sitting around doing eeenie meenie minee moe between those 3 lol. I think he's still "on the hunt" for something more satisfying.

As to outside the box, well if Carty is on the list to me Stitt is better. I like him better than Cramsey too. It's unlikely though that he's on the radar.

You see the praise heaped on him by Leach, Holgorsen, Dykes and he's drawn up plays for other coaches too. Mumme mentioning how he was able to do more with less at CSM, 4 PPG to 48 PPG in two years. That's pretty good. At Montana he wasn't renewed because he wasn't meeting their lofty expectations but he didn't have a losing record there. I feel like he could be a Joe Moorhead/Beau Baldwin type.

It is somewhat risky sure, but if you're gonna go Carty why not this guy. I think he's less risky than Carty.

 

[Lawesome]

Stitt happens!!!

 

[vkj91]

Fisch now candidate for Arizona HC job

 

[Knight Shift]

Go Fisch?

 

[vkj91]

Sources tell FootballScoop a number of coaches have been asked to interview over the past few days including Kevin Sumlin, Neal Brown, Mark Helfrich, Jedd Fisch, Marcel Yates, Beau Baldwin and another former coach who currently is a TV / media presence. We hear a decision is expected in the coming days. Will update as more is clear.

 

[Lawesome]

I’d be very happy with Rick Neuheisal.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I’d be very happy with Rick Neuheisal.

I've seen his name with regards to ASU when that was open so he's probably the tv/media guy referred to in the footballscoop report with regards to Arizona. He's a former PAC12 guy too but he's been out of coaching for a good handful of years.

I think Kevin Sumlin would be a good one for that job myself.

 

[Lawesome]

Kevin Sumlins success has come as a result of having great QB’s, not because he’s a great play caller but I wouldn’t say no to him.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Kevin Sumlins success has come as a result of having great QB’s, not because he’s a great play caller but I wouldn’t say no to him.

I was referring to the Arizona HC opening not our OC opening. He's not coming here to be an OC. If he doesn't get Arizona he will likely sit out the year. He certainly got paid enough from A&M.

 

[Lawesome]

Maybe he wants to come back to the BIGTen and prove himself again.

 

[Knight Shift]

I was referring to the Arizona HC opening not our OC opening. He's not coming here to be an OC. If he doesn't get Arizona he will likely sit out the year. He certainly got paid enough from A&M.

What's the deal with Jim McElwain for ASU or for our OC opening? Terrific resume until he crashed and burned at the Gators this year.

1987–1994 Eastern Washington (QB/WR)
1995–1999 Montana State (OC/WR/ST)
2000–2002 Louisville (WR/ST)
2003–2005 Michigan State (AHC/WR/ST)
2006 Oakland Raiders (QB)
2007 Fresno State (OC/QB)
2008–2011 Alabama (OC/QB)
2012–2014 Colorado State (HC)
2015–2017 Florida (HC)

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

What's the deal with Jim McElwain for ASU or for our OC opening? Terrific resume until he crashed and burned at the Gators this year.

1987–1994 Eastern Washington (QB/WR)
1995–1999 Montana State (OC/WR/ST)
2000–2002 Louisville (WR/ST)
2003–2005 Michigan State (AHC/WR/ST)
2006 Oakland Raiders (QB)
2007 Fresno State (OC/QB)
2008–2011 Alabama (OC/QB)
2012–2014 Colorado State (HC)
2015–2017 Florida (HC)

He's an offensive guy but they had some issues with the offense during his time there and finding a qb. He had that whole weird death threat thing too so he may just lay low for the year.

 

[ruready4somefootball_rivals]

So, at this point, the bowl games are over and I'm thinking it's NFL coaches still involved in the playoffs that Coach Ash is targeting. The only other reason I can see for this delay is he is trying to get money raised to pay out a competitive contract.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Some other articles on Stitt. Seems Montana was also under probation and lost a handful of scholarships for the 3 years he was there because of stuff they did prior to Stitt's arrival but again he never had a losing record. I've read about him in the past but I'd had forgotten about him but I'm liking him more and more as I refresh my memory. Again probably not on the radar at all but I think he's got more potential than Carty/Fitch/McNulty.

I wonder if he actually even couldn't be a co-OC, if he was open to it. He made 175K as Montana HC. He certainly would be a good resource for innovation and creativity on the offense.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ol-of-mines-college-football-offense/1659819/

https://www.sbnation.com/college-fo...bob-stitt-coach-offense-colorado-school-mines

https://www.vanquishthefoe.com/2017/12/1/16721866/byu-offense-coordinator-bob-stitt

 

[scarletKNIGHT07]

Some other articles on Stitt. Seems Montana was also under probation and lost a handful of scholarships for the 3 years he was there because of stuff they did prior to Stitt's arrival but again he never had a losing record. I've read about him in the past but I'd had forgotten about him but I'm liking him more and more as I refresh my memory. Again probably not on the radar at all but I think he's got more potential than Carty/Fitch/McNulty.

I wonder if he actually even couldn't be a co-OC, if he was open to it. He made 175K as Montana HC. He certainly would be a good resource for innovation and creativity on the offense.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ol-of-mines-college-football-offense/1659819/

https://www.sbnation.com/college-fo...bob-stitt-coach-offense-colorado-school-mines

Looks like he interviewed out east for the Fordham HC job

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Looks like he interviewed out east for the Fordham HC job

I saw that just now which means he'd possibly be open to coming to this side of the country as well. I believe Fordham hired the Yale OC Conlin.

 

[RURM85]

Darrell Bevell. He was an Iowa State GA, the same year Ash was a Drake GA. Ok, so that's a stretch.

 

[BlockR]

Darrell Bevell. He was an Iowa State GA, the same year Ash was a Drake GA. Ok, so that's a stretch.

how about the intern equipment guy at Iowa state,is he in the mix? Some of these possible names are waaaaayyyy out there.

 

[RURM85]

how about the intern equipment guy at Iowa state,is he in the mix? Some of these possible names are waaaaayyyy out there.

Bevell now looking for work unless he wants to sit out. The intern equipment guy at Iowa State has steady employment, although he would come at a much better price point.

 

[Knight Shift]

Darrell Bevell. He was an Iowa State GA, the same year Ash was a Drake GA. Ok, so that's a stretch.

And he's available. Firing seems kind of harsh after one down year?

He could come in and coach the next Russell Wilson, Jalen Chatman!!!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ired-as-seahawks-oc-after-7-seasons-with-team

Bevell had been the Seahawks' offensive coordinator since 2011, helping to guide them to two Super Bowl appearances and one title.

Prior to joining the Seahawks in 2011, Bevell had a five-year stint as the Minnesota Vikings' offensive coordinator, as well as a run as the Green Bay Packers' quarterbacks coach.

Bevell replaced Jeremy Bates as Seattle's offensive coordinator prior to Pete Carroll's second season as the Seahawks' head coach.

In his seven seasons as Seahawks offensive coordinator, Bevell guided them into the top 10 in points scored four times.

 

[RURM85]

And he's available. Firing seems kind of harsh after one down year?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ired-as-seahawks-oc-after-7-seasons-with-team

Bevell had been the Seahawks' offensive coordinator since 2011, helping to guide them to two Super Bowl appearances and one title.

Prior to joining the Seahawks in 2011, Bevell had a five-year stint as the Minnesota Vikings' offensive coordinator, as well as a run as the Green Bay Packers' quarterbacks coach.

Bevell replaced Jeremy Bates as Seattle's offensive coordinator prior to Pete Carroll's second season as the Seahawks' head coach.

In his seven seasons as Seahawks offensive coordinator, Bevell guided them into the top 10 in points scored four times.

Was also at one time the WR coach at UConn prior to his successful NFL career. He has B1G roots as he played QB for Wisconsin/Alvarez

 

[Knight Shift]

Some other articles on Stitt. Seems Montana was also under probation and lost a handful of scholarships for the 3 years he was there because of stuff they did prior to Stitt's arrival but again he never had a losing record. I've read about him in the past but I'd had forgotten about him but I'm liking him more and more as I refresh my memory. Again probably not on the radar at all but I think he's got more potential than Carty/Fitch/McNulty.

I wonder if he actually even couldn't be a co-OC, if he was open to it. He made 175K as Montana HC. He certainly would be a good resource for innovation and creativity on the offense.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ol-of-mines-college-football-offense/1659819/

OK. I read this quote about Stitt in the USA Today article from 2012. SOUNDS LIKE THE PERFECT FIT FOR RUTGERS.

SOMEONE WRITE A LETTER TO ASH!!!!

My only question, is why has he not moved up???

"When I came on the interview, person after person told me there's no way you'll ever win here," said Stitt, who was Harvard's offensive coordinator at the time. "One of them said, 'If you come here, just don't embarrass us anymore.' But I wanted it because I was going to prove everybody at this school wrong."

At a school where you weren't going to recruit many great athletes, Stitt knew he'd have to do something different to win.

At a place like Mines, which has almost no recruiting advantages, offensive creativity would be paramount. He didn't have receivers who could beat press coverage, so he became an expert on the back-shoulder fade pass. His offensive line couldn't block a quick nose tackle one on one, so he ran the option out of the shotgun, and it took a year for defensive coordinators to figure it out. He put in blocking schemes intended to give defenses false reads. He saved his best plays for red zone packages, figuring that his conversion percentage in those situations would be the difference between winning and losing games.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

And he's available. Firing seems kind of harsh after one down year?

He could come in and coach the next Russell Wilson, Jalen Chatman!!!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ired-as-seahawks-oc-after-7-seasons-with-team

Bevell had been the Seahawks' offensive coordinator since 2011, helping to guide them to two Super Bowl appearances and one title.

Prior to joining the Seahawks in 2011, Bevell had a five-year stint as the Minnesota Vikings' offensive coordinator, as well as a run as the Green Bay Packers' quarterbacks coach.

Bevell replaced Jeremy Bates as Seattle's offensive coordinator prior to Pete Carroll's second season as the Seahawks' head coach.

In his seven seasons as Seahawks offensive coordinator, Bevell guided them into the top 10 in points scored four times.

I saw that but I didn't bring it up because I don't think most, at least somewhat successful, coordinators are taking college coordinator jobs, specifically at a school like RU. It doesn't seem plausible. As a HC MAYBE a one time successful NFL coordinator would come to college but as OC, he'd really have to have no other opportunities. I tend to think if he's been successful before he probably would have other opportunities.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

OK. I read this quote about Stitt in the USA Today article from 2012. SOUNDS LIKE THE PERFECT FIT FOR RUTGERS.

SOMEONE WRITE A LETTER TO ASH!!!!

My only question, is why has he not moved up???

"When I came on the interview, person after person told me there's no way you'll ever win here," said Stitt, who was Harvard's offensive coordinator at the time. "One of them said, 'If you come here, just don't embarrass us anymore.' But I wanted it because I was going to prove everybody at this school wrong."

At a school where you weren't going to recruit many great athletes, Stitt knew he'd have to do something different to win.

At a place like Mines, which has almost no recruiting advantages, offensive creativity would be paramount. He didn't have receivers who could beat press coverage, so he became an expert on the back-shoulder fade pass. His offensive line couldn't block a quick nose tackle one on one, so he ran the option out of the shotgun, and it took a year for defensive coordinators to figure it out. He put in blocking schemes intended to give defenses false reads. He saved his best plays for red zone packages, figuring that his conversion percentage in those situations would be the difference between winning and losing games.

He did move up to Montana. And moving up isn't only based on him. Someone has to give him the opportunity and he also has to like the opportunity as well. There are so many reasons to know for sure what it is. Like was said before about how long Chip Kelly was at UNH. He had opportunities but he didn't go, why? Well according to McDonnell then and current UNH HC, he wanted autonomy. There are so many reasons and it's hard to know for each coach that has potential to move up.

But if a Phil Longo, Joe Moorhead, Mike Yurcich and Beau Baldwin can take the step up, this guy to me has that kind of potential. Whether Ash is open to it, is a different story. Stitt seems to really push the envelope on offense but at the same time he also seems like a guy who can and is willing to adapt so who knows if it could be a fit or not for sure.

 

[LDandy]

OK. I read this quote about Stitt in the USA Today article from 2012. SOUNDS LIKE THE PERFECT FIT FOR RUTGERS.

SOMEONE WRITE A LETTER TO ASH!!!!

My only question, is why has he not moved up???

"When I came on the interview, person after person told me there's no way you'll ever win here," said Stitt, who was Harvard's offensive coordinator at the time. "One of them said, 'If you come here, just don't embarrass us anymore.' But I wanted it because I was going to prove everybody at this school wrong."

At a school where you weren't going to recruit many great athletes, Stitt knew he'd have to do something different to win.

At a place like Mines, which has almost no recruiting advantages, offensive creativity would be paramount. He didn't have receivers who could beat press coverage, so he became an expert on the back-shoulder fade pass. His offensive line couldn't block a quick nose tackle one on one, so he ran the option out of the shotgun, and it took a year for defensive coordinators to figure it out. He put in blocking schemes intended to give defenses false reads. He saved his best plays for red zone packages, figuring that his conversion percentage in those situations would be the difference between winning and losing games.

Stitt is as creative an offensive mind as there is coaching today. I'm not sure why it didn't work out at Montana. I mean you're Montana what exactly is your expectation level as a program? You all would be very lucky if he were an option.

 

[scarletKNIGHT07]

https://www.blackshoediaries.com/20...ny-lions-offensive-coordinator-james-franklin

Penn State blog making the case for Bob Stitt as OC after 2015 season.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Stitt is as creative an offensive mind as there is coaching today. I'm not sure why it didn't work out at Montana. I mean you're Montana what exactly is your expectation level as a program? You all would be very lucky if he were an option.

They've done really well at Montana. He also beat NDSU while there in his first season but he didn't make the playoffs the last two seasons and lost to their in state rivals (OSU/Michigan type thing I think) the last 2 years. So that got him a non-renewal of contract. His offenses though did well like top 10ish the last 2 years in PPG/YPG. Top 25ish in yds per play IIRC.

They hired back their former coach Hauck who had a lot of success there but they also had a lot of off the field issues with players when he was HC it sounded like. Had to put clauses into his contract in regards to that that weren't in Stitt's or the previous coaches contract. I think the boosters were pushing the old coach onto the president. The boosters were partially the ones who got them on probation with improper benefits for players and they got dinged for a handful of scholarships etc...and Stitt came in and dealt with that aftermath but didn't have a losing season in his 3 years.

Dan Wolken‏Verified account@DanWolken
After hearing more about the situation at Montana, I really can’t believe they let go of Bob Stitt. Had to clean up a lot off the field and was winning. Ridiculous expectations. A tough G5 job like UTEP should really consider him

 

[vkj91]

Stitt is as creative an offensive mind as there is coaching today. I'm not sure why it didn't work out at Montana. I mean you're Montana what exactly is your expectation level as a program? You all would be very lucky if he were an option.

Their expectations are national championships. They are a top 5 1AA program historically.

 

[LDandy]

https://www.blackshoediaries.com/20...ny-lions-offensive-coordinator-james-franklin

Penn State blog making the case for Bob Stitt as OC after 2015 season.

Stitt was definitely a popular candidate on the message boards following 2 seasons of uninspiring offense. Franklin started following him on Twitter after the previous OC was fired, ramping up interest/discussion on him among fans. Ultimately Moorhead was a better match as a Pittsburgh Guy with connections throughout the Northeast who also happened to be a heck of an offensive mind.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Their expectations are national championships. They are a top 5 1AA program historically.

They never one won under Hauck though but they did very well. Had a lot of off the field issues too though in that period from what I've read. He's had clauses in his contract with regards to that that weren't in Stitt's or the previous coach's contract.

Also we're not looking for HC, just OC so I look at aptitude for that more than anything.

 

[LDandy]

Their expectations are national championships. They are a top 5 1AA program historically.

That's fair. I should have stated fan expectations considering the state of the program he inherited. He came in and won under sanctions. Montana is definitely a historic FCS Power, but his situation warranted patience IMO.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

McNulty has so much rust that you'd have to hammer it off with a chisel, and I'm not sure there's anything under the rust to begin with.

I don't care what kind of offense he'd want to install - he hasn't had anything to do with the college game, recruiting, play calling, or even a running game in over a decade. The only reason he's even in the conversation is that he parlayed a season and a half worth of success on the backs of Ray Rice and Kenny Britt into an NFL gig... all of which happened when the members of the 2019 recruiting class were just 6 years old.

Rust never sleeps.

Do you think that McNulty stopped thinking about football and offense? He is Tight Ends coach with the LA Chargers. He has been a posiiton coach in teh NFL for almost 10 years.. as WR, QB and TE coach.. do you think Rutgers doesn't need WRs, QBs and TEs who want to play in the NFL?

 

[RUMBA-JK]

Need somebody for whom this move makes good sense - is within the range of plausible wise career moves - (and not just that this is a convenient place to stand out of the rain for 10-11 months) - - At the same time - need to be careful about taking somebody & elevating them dramatically beyond a reasonable step up - in either responsibilities - or compensation.

Take a guy who is making +/- $100K and then vault his comp to $450 - $550K and have same guy be responsible for several key more-senior & more experienced individuals - creates a potentially precarious situation if all of the factors are not lined up exactly right. Have seen this scenario go very bad in a some cases

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Need somebody for whom this move makes good sense - is within the range of plausible wise career moves - (and not just that this is a convenient place to stand out of the rain for 10-11 months) - - At the same time - need to be careful about taking somebody & elevating them dramatically beyond a reasonable step up - in either responsibilities - or compensation.

Take a guy who is making +/- $100K and then vault his comp to $350 - $450 and have same guy be responsible for several key more-senior & more experienced individuals - creates a potentially precarious situation if all of the factors are not lined up exactly right. Have seen this scenario go very bad in a some cases

yes.. that is how wage inflation happens. The new guy (or his agents) always wants to be paid what the old guy was making.. or better. Whoever it is we need to pay what it takes to get them here.. if they are properly motivated, as JUMBA says. Then, if they work out, then have a path to the pay a Big Ten OC should be making... again, if they perform.. because that is what it will take to keep them.

I think you are just as likely to succeed with a young "bargain" OC on the way up.. with some "training costs" involved.. aka mistakes. I always think of Chip Kelly at UNH. Somebody, right now, in the FBS is the next Chip Kelly. It is Rutgers job to find him and recruit him and give him everything he needs to succeed.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Need somebody for whom this move makes good sense - is within the range of plausible wise career moves - (and not just that this is a convenient place to stand out of the rain for 10-11 months) - - At the same time - need to be careful about taking somebody & elevating them dramatically beyond a reasonable step up - in either responsibilities - or compensation.

Take a guy who is making +/- $100K and then vault his comp to $450 - $550K and have same guy be responsible for several key more-senior & more experienced individuals - creates a potentially precarious situation if all of the factors are not lined up exactly right. Have seen this scenario go very bad in a some cases

This issue is more of a concern for someone like Carty. For a Wright (may not be a candidate anymore) who also makes in that vicinity or a Stitt same type compensation, I think that issue is less of a concern. They have enough gravitas IMO.

Regardless though just about any hire is a risk, especially if we're further down the list, that's just the nature of the beast. It's looking to maximize that risk/reward profile though.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

https://www.blackshoediaries.com/20...ny-lions-offensive-coordinator-james-franklin

Penn State blog making the case for Bob Stitt as OC after 2015 season.

good link.. thanks.. watched the Stitt background video in that link about arriving in Missoula... he really seems like a teacher of the game. And at that time he had a 4.4 handicap on the links.. may appreciate an on-campus golf course.

Bob Stitt background video from above link

 

[RUChoppin]

Rust never sleeps.

Do you think that McNulty stopped thinking about football and offense? He is Tight Ends coach with the LA Chargers. He has been a posiiton coach in teh NFL for almost 10 years.. as WR, QB and TE coach.. do you think Rutgers doesn't need WRs, QBs and TEs who want to play in the NFL?

That logic doesn't follow unless he's going to become a position coach at RU and will be directly working with players in that capacity. I would 100% take him as a WR coach, though we wouldn't be able to afford him for that.

He hasn't been calling plays, he hasn't needed to design game plans or adapt them to defenses, he hasn't needed to sit down and talk with parents or HS coaches, sell a vision/program to a 17 year old, or to build basic fundamentals/work ethic/etc of teenagers. He's only ever been called on to run an offense once in his long career, for just two seasons... and that game plan was largely dictated by Schiano (run the ball, kill the clock, keep the ball out of their offense's hands.... the offense is primarily an extension of the defense) and after doing so, didn't go back to it for almost a decade.

If he's the pick, I'll accept it, but will be disappointed. I'll support him and hope for the best, but it'll take a lot to build a sense of optimism.