***Rutgers OC Search Update***

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Just bring in better, hope for some longevity/continuity, and don't be afraid to spend a bit. Last part might be our biggest challenge, but it's time to act like some of the big boys.

BTW, don't ask me to define better, there are smarter than me trying to make these calls.

Agree - identifying the critical attributes that will make all the difference is a real guessing game -
Given that everybody under consideration is fundamentally competent (seriously, there really are no mouth breathing village idiots on the consideration list) it becomes nearly impossible to polish up the crystal ball and definitively glean who is going to best rise to the challenge.
 

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We were looking for a splash and will end up getting dunked at least Charlie would of gave us a ripple.
 

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Just bring in better, hope for some longevity/continuity, and don't be afraid to spend a bit. Last part might be our biggest challenge, but it's time to act like some of the big boys.

BTW, don't ask me to define better, there are smarter than me trying to make these calls.
Not interested in spending a bit for the sake of spending. That approach is not knocking it out of the park for Michigan. Also, don't want to spend for a Matt Canada who will be moving on to his next gig after a year.
 

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There are a lot of reasons these positions are not being filled quickly. I am not just talking RU here. Several schools are still looking for coordinators and assistants plus the tenth coach has opened things up. Also, the early signing period has already locked up the overwhelming majority of this years recruiting class. Prior to this year there would be panic trying to hold the class together waiting for the OC to be named. 19 of the 22 are already signed. Ash, and any HC for that matter, can take more time trying to find the guy he wants. If this were last year there would be real reason for concern over the lack of a hire. This year the rules have changed a little. Calm down. It will happen.
 
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The next day or two should be an interesting game of musical chairs as the 10th coaching position will be filled around the land.
 

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Ha ha! Well done.
 
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If we go big I expect to pay. If we go with an unproven/FCS/non-Power 5 guy, I’d like a low base with lots of incentives. Can even have plenty of low-hanging fruit type goals. E.g., someone like a Carty who is intriguing to many on this board. Immediately double his salary which would probably put him in the $200-$250k range with healthy raises to the base salary each year. Then he can make a lot more based on performance & progress of the offense. If he really blows it out, he can earn the $625-750 range. You can always rework his agreement anytime if he turn out to prove out as a phenom. Sorry, don’t want another DM situation where he didn’t perform at Rutgers as the guru he was thought to be.
 

Knight Shift

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Just an update not related to us but again to get gist of the movement happening.

Leach has hired former Minnesota DC/HC Tracy Claeys has his DC at WSU.

Orgeron has elevated Ensminger to OC as expected at LSU.

Besides money etc possibly being issues..one other thing I've noticed with some of the hirings of coordinators is that some of them bring along a coach or two they know. Just a couple I've seen recently. John Chavis is bringing along Ron Cooper to Arkansas. Nate Woody is bringing an App. State coach with him to GT. I've seen some others too in the past. It doesn't always happen but it does sometimes. I wonder if that might not have been an issue with some like Mazzone and son or maybe some of the other "name" candidates who wanted some staff control on the offensive side of the ball.
Maybe my footballscoop twitter search is useless. Footballscoop twitter has not reported this. Don't see it on Twitter by searching Tracey Claeys. Link?
 
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Interesting. Not sure if it is the chicken or the egg with Mc Nulty, but I did like him when he was here. I do think it is good thing he has extensive NFL experience. Recruits look for that. We really need more coaches with NFL experience, IMO.
 
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Maybe my footballscoop twitter search is useless. Footballscoop twitter has not reported this. Don't see it on Twitter by searching Tracey Claeys. Link?
It's on their site under Jan 9 news.

Washington State: Former Minnesota head coach and defensive coordinator Tracy Claeys is being hired as Mike Leach’s new defensive coordinator, per source.

http://footballscoop.com/the-scoop/
 
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I'm not as fond of a prostyle guy myself. I suppose it would depend on how much of a hybrid system he ran and what kind of tempo he ran it at and how adept he is at it. I really don't think a traditional prostyle though is the way to go for a team and program like us.

Just like I mentioned with Carty, I think he'd be an improvement but it's a question of just how much.
 
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LOL. So much for footballscoop having the scoop. #FakeNews!!!!
You should start your own website/ Twitter feed. You are more up to date!
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It is from footballscoop. It's not my news. It's just on their website. I don't know about their twitter feed, often times they just link their site on their feed.
 

Knight Shift

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It is from footballscoop. It's not my news. It's just on their website. I don't know about their twitter feed, often times they just link their site on their feed.
Yeah, was not criticizing you. Thought footballscoop would have it on their Twitter feed and their website. Thank you for the update. I am a big Mike Leach fan.
 
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Yeah, was not criticizing you. Thought footballscoop would have it on their Twitter feed and their website. Thank you for the update. I am a big Mike Leach fan.
Oh no problem I didn't think you were. I thought you were confused about where the info was coming from, your joke just went over my head, lol.

Yea Mike Leach is pretty good at spawning coaches, specifically offensive ones but you know Grinch now and Aranda some time ago have been on his staff too. I was just reading Neal Brown (another Leach disciple) at Troy is a pretty good candidate at Arizona. We'll see if he gets it. But you see why I'm partial to tapping that thread or cousins of it.
 

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Oh no problem I didn't think you were. I thought you were confused about where the info was coming from, your joke just went over my head, lol.

Yea Mike Leach is pretty good at spawning coaches, specifically offensive ones but you know Grinch now and Aranda some time ago have been on his staff too. I was just reading Neal Brown (another Leach disciple) at Troy is a pretty good candidate at Arizona. We'll see if he gets it. But you see why I'm partial to tapping that thread or cousins of it.

Funny, I was reading the Alabama freshman QB thread on Tau T., and saw his brother's OC at the Hawaii High School he played at was none other than June Jones. June is part of the Hal Mumme and Mike Leach Air Raid Offense Tree
Mumme groomed Leach at Iowa Wesleyan and Kentucky.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/its-al...h-family-tree-keeps-growing-hal-mumme-to-smu/
 
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Funny, I was reading the Alabama freshman QB thread on Tau T., and saw his brother's OC at the Hawaii High School he played at was none other than June Jones. June is part of the Hal Mumme and Mike Leach Air Raid Offense Tree
Mumme groomed Leach at Iowa Wesleyan and Kentucky.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/its-al...h-family-tree-keeps-growing-hal-mumme-to-smu/
Yea I know I think Mumme is even coaching again can't remember if it was HC or assitant. I'm not sure how old he is. It's at some small school I think. He's been doing some radio show IIRC and I believe he's actually still going to be doing the radio show while coaching. I don't know which one is his "side gig" lol.

Just saw UCF's deal with Randy Shannon. Pays him less the first 2 years while he's getting paid by UF and then bumps to 1M with a 300K retention bonus should he stay all 3 years. If he stays that averages to 600K or so a year. If not, then they didn't spend a ton with UF footing the bill. Just put it out there to see structures of deals some coaches get who are getting compensation from previous employers, similar to Gilbert/Strong at USF.

UCF: Defensive coordinator Randy Shannon has signed a 3-year deal with a salary of $300,000 per for the 2018 and ’19 seasons — during which he’ll be paid out a $2.2 million buyout from Florida — and then jump to $1 million during the 2020 season with a $300,000 retention bonus in February 2020, tweets Steve Berkowitz.
 

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I'm not as fond of a prostyle guy myself. I suppose it would depend on how much of a hybrid system he ran and what kind of tempo he ran it at and how adept he is at it. I really don't think a traditional prostyle though is the way to go for a team and program like us.

Just like I mentioned with Carty, I think he'd be an improvement but it's a question of just how much.

McNulty has so much rust that you'd have to hammer it off with a chisel, and I'm not sure there's anything under the rust to begin with.

I don't care what kind of offense he'd want to install - he hasn't had anything to do with the college game, recruiting, play calling, or even a running game in over a decade. The only reason he's even in the conversation is that he parlayed a season and a half worth of success on the backs of Ray Rice and Kenny Britt into an NFL gig... all of which happened when the members of the 2019 recruiting class were just 6 years old.
 
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Knight Shift

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Yea I know I think Mumme is even coaching again can't remember if it was HC or assitant. I'm not sure how old he is. It's at some small school I think. He's been doing some radio show IIRC and I believe he's actually still going to be doing the radio show while coaching. I don't know which one is his "side gig" lol.

Just saw UCF's deal with Randy Shannon. Pays him less the first 2 years while he's getting paid by UF and then bumps to 1M with a 300K retention bonus should he stay all 3 years. If he stays that averages to 600K or so a year. If not, then they didn't spend a ton with UF footing the bill. Just put it out there to see structures of deals some coaches get who are getting compensation from previous employers, similar to Gilbert/Strong at USF.

UCF: Defensive coordinator Randy Shannon has signed a 3-year deal with a salary of $300,000 per for the 2018 and ’19 seasons — during which he’ll be paid out a $2.2 million buyout from Florida — and then jump to $1 million during the 2020 season with a $300,000 retention bonus in February 2020, tweets Steve Berkowitz.
That is creative, and similar to what we could do with Canada (not familiar with his buyout)? Plus, isn't year 3 of a new OC 2021, when it will be raining B1G money at RU (full share)? Hope that Ash (and Hobbs (and Barchi/BOG)) are thinking in the future, and not stuck in the present.
 

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June Jones ain’t leaving Hawaii... the guy doesn’t need the grief ... as nice as some of our beaches are... Oahu’s are much nicer...
 

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That is creative, and similar to what we could do with Canada (not familiar with his buyout)? Plus, isn't year 3 of a new OC 2021, when it will be raining B1G money at RU (full share)? Hope that Ash (and Hobbs (and Barchi/BOG)) are thinking in the future, and not stuck in the present.

The thing is, if I were an OC candidate I'd be firmly rooted in the present. After two years and a 6-18 start (3-15 B1G), there's no guarantee that Ash would still be here in three years.
 

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The thing is, if I were an OC candidate I'd be firmly rooted in the present. After two years and a 6-18 start (3-15 B1G), there's no guarantee that Ash would still be here in three years.
Considering how these guys change jobs, 3 years is a long term gig. If history repeats itself at Rutgers, they could just promote a coach on the existing staff to head coach. It happened at Oregon.
 
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Knight Shift

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He left Hawaii long ago and went to SMU and was fired from there. Don't know what he's doing now.
June Jones ain’t leaving Hawaii... the guy doesn’t need the grief ... as nice as some of our beaches are... Oahu’s are much nicer...

LOL. From his Wikipedia (I'm sure the beaches are nicer in Hamilton, Ontario--nobody was suggesting June Jones was coming to Rutgers):
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On August 2, 2017, the Hamilton Tiger-Cats hired Jones as an assistant coach.[27] His hiring came after the team lost their first five regular season games of the season (the last of which was a 60–1 blowout). On August 24, 2017, the Ti-Cats named June the new head coach, after Kent Austin stepped down to focus on his duties as Vice-President of Football Operations.[28] The Hamilton Tiger-Cats were 0–8 at the time Jones was appointed to head coach. After taking over, Jones led the Ti-Cats to a respectable 6–4 record for the remainder of the 2017 season.[29]
 
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RUChoppin

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Considering how these guys change jobs, 3 years is a long term gig. If history repeats itself at Rutgers, they could just promote a coach on the existing staff to head coach. It happened at Oregon.

Which is why I'm saying at as an OC, I'd be focused on the present... a contract that gets sweet 3 years from now isn't much of a selling point.
 

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McNulty has so much rust that you'd have to hammer it off with a chisel, and I'm not sure there's anything under the rust to begin with.

I don't care what kind of offense he'd want to install - he hasn't had anything to do with the college game, recruiting, play calling, or even a running game in over a decade. The only reason he's even in the conversation is that he parlayed a season and a half worth of success on the backs of Ray Rice and Kenny Britt into an NFL gig... all of which happened when the members of the 2019 recruiting class were just 6 years old.
His stint at RU did not make him an NFL coach.
You do realize that he had a successful NFL gig before he came to Rutgers don't you? He was fired out of spite by Bill Parcells (Dallas Cowboys) because he asked for permission to talk to another team that reached out to him. It would have been a big promotion so he was interested. Parcels said you are under contract and refused his request. Parcels then waited until every NFL assistant coaching vacancy was filled and fired McNULTY. It was a dirtball thing to do.

GS offered him a job at RU after that. We got lucky with the timing. He did his 2 years that GS asks then he moved on. He was making much more in the NFL as an assistant than he could get from RU at the time so you couldn't blame him.
 

RUChoppin

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You do realize that he had a successful NFL gig before he came to Rutgers don't you? He was fired out of spite by Bill Parcells (Dallas Cowboys) because he asked for permission to talk to another team that reached out to him. It would have been a big promotion so he was interested. Parcels said you are under contract and refused his request. Parcels then waited until every NFL assistant coaching vacancy was filled and fired McNULTY. It was a dirtball thing to do.

GS offered him a job at RU after that. We got lucky with the timing.

Sure... he had a successful NFL gig as a WR coach, and came to Rutgers as a WR coach for 3 years. He got promoted up to OC for two years after Ver Steeg left, then went back to the NFL.

Him being a successful OC for us in 2007-08 was largely being in the right place at the right time. He hasn't sought out other OC positions, and hasn't looked back to college since then either.
 
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Realized I put this in the wrong OC thread. Too many even for me lol.

This guy is probably a little too much air raid for Ash but I think he's probably a good creative offensive mind.

Bob Stitt didn't have his contract renewed at Montana but he put up some good offensive stats there and was did some good stuff at D2 Colorado School of Mines where he first got some notoriety for what he was able to do there and how he turned them around.

From an article on him:

This national attention shed light on the incredible turnaround that Stitt had orchestrated at the Colorado School of Mines. Stitt turned around one of the worst programs in history, from averaging four points per game in the season before he arrived to 48 points per game two seasons later, all while dealing with some of the highest academic standards in the sport.

"People ask me on a week-to-week basis what we're going to do," Stitt said. "We don't know. We might run it 45 times. We might throw it 80 times. It's really predicated on how the defense plays us."

That versatility stands out to his peers.

"It's almost like a moving, throwing Wing-T," Leach said. "It's pretty cool. I think he's highly respected among coaches. Everybody would see how he did stuff. It kind of kept us in awe."

Until now, though, Stitt's work has mostly been seen when other teams run his plays. Cal, East Carolina, Houston, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Washington State and West Virginia have run his plays in televised games during the past several seasons.

This summer, Minnesota Vikings quarterback coach Scott Turner consulted Stitt, who said the Vikings plan to use a package of his plays with quarterback Teddy Bridgewater this coming season.


I'd forgotten about him I probably like him more than Cramsey if we pull from that level.

Just a little about him.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/9/4/9241843/bob-stitt-offense-montana

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...izzlies-coach-bob-stitt-cult-favorite-coaches
 

Knight Shift

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Realized I put this in the wrong OC thread. Too many even for me lol.

This guy is probably a little too much air raid for Ash but I think he's probably a good creative offensive mind.

Bob Stitt didn't have his contract renewed at Montana but he put up some good offensive stats there and was did some good stuff at D2 Colorado School of Mines where he first got some notoriety for what he was able to do there and how he turned them around.

From an article on him:

This national attention shed light on the incredible turnaround that Stitt had orchestrated at the Colorado School of Mines. Stitt turned around one of the worst programs in history, from averaging four points per game in the season before he arrived to 48 points per game two seasons later, all while dealing with some of the highest academic standards in the sport.

"People ask me on a week-to-week basis what we're going to do," Stitt said. "We don't know. We might run it 45 times. We might throw it 80 times. It's really predicated on how the defense plays us."

That versatility stands out to his peers.

"It's almost like a moving, throwing Wing-T," Leach said. "It's pretty cool. I think he's highly respected among coaches. Everybody would see how he did stuff. It kind of kept us in awe."

Until now, though, Stitt's work has mostly been seen when other teams run his plays. Cal, East Carolina, Houston, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Washington State and West Virginia have run his plays in televised games during the past several seasons.

This summer, Minnesota Vikings quarterback coach Scott Turner consulted Stitt, who said the Vikings plan to use a package of his plays with quarterback Teddy Bridgewater this coming season.


I'd forgotten about him I probably like him more than Cramsey if we pull from that level.

Just a little about him.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/9/4/9241843/bob-stitt-offense-montana

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...izzlies-coach-bob-stitt-cult-favorite-coaches
You are really mining the landscape for OCs! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Do you think Ash will ultimately hire an out of the box candidate?

I think we are down to the three names being bounced around. However, yesterday that was only two names, and today we have three, so maybe we will have four tomorrow?

It sure was nice when the Hale Center was full of leaks.