Rutgers OC possibilities
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I wouldn’t mind if we hired an OC who has played the role in the last decade.
@rutgersguy1 and @RUaMoose (as an Al Golden fan). How about James Coley, current WRs coach at Georgia? Was OC as FSU from 2010-12, but Jimbo Fisher did the play calling. Then he was hired by Al Golden at Miami and was there from 2013-15.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Coley
He has been referred to as an ace recruiter of South Florida talent.
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...-moves-miami-hurricanes-offensive-coordinator
Coley is a Miami native who has worked with the Dolphins and was offensive coordinator at Florida International, and he's widely considered among the best recruiters of high school talent in South Florida. His loss to both an in-state and conference rival could have lasting implications on the recruiting trail.
Jimbo Fisher offered him the OC job at A&M, but he turned it down, perhaps because Jimbo likes to do the play calling?
https://georgia.247sports.com/Bolt/James-Coley-makes-decision-on-Texas-AM-111894351
Coley has been paid $450,000 a year his past two years at UGA.
http://www.macon.com/sports/college...ldogs-beat/uga-football/article190659259.html
One area Godwin said Coley has been instrumental is with making the connection between the quarterback and receivers. Having previously been an offensive coordinator at Miami, Godwin said Coley helped the wideouts better understand what the quarterback wants them to do on a given play.
And Coley's communication methods in doing so can be intense. On any given practice, Coley can audibly get after his players, with his shrieking voice heard on the opposite side of the field.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Coley
He has been referred to as an ace recruiter of South Florida talent.
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...-moves-miami-hurricanes-offensive-coordinator
Coley is a Miami native who has worked with the Dolphins and was offensive coordinator at Florida International, and he's widely considered among the best recruiters of high school talent in South Florida. His loss to both an in-state and conference rival could have lasting implications on the recruiting trail.
Jimbo Fisher offered him the OC job at A&M, but he turned it down, perhaps because Jimbo likes to do the play calling?
https://georgia.247sports.com/Bolt/James-Coley-makes-decision-on-Texas-AM-111894351
Coley has been paid $450,000 a year his past two years at UGA.
http://www.macon.com/sports/college...ldogs-beat/uga-football/article190659259.html
One area Godwin said Coley has been instrumental is with making the connection between the quarterback and receivers. Having previously been an offensive coordinator at Miami, Godwin said Coley helped the wideouts better understand what the quarterback wants them to do on a given play.
And Coley's communication methods in doing so can be intense. On any given practice, Coley can audibly get after his players, with his shrieking voice heard on the opposite side of the field.
I thought he got a bump to stay a Georgia. Maybe more highly regarded as a recruiter than coach. Doubt he would have a real interest in coming here.
Why not on coming here? He would have free rein in play calling. That may have been his hang up with Texas A&M.
On coaching, I see the reviews on his play calling were not all positive when he was calling plays under Al Golden at Miami.
I think if he wants to move he will have other options based solely on his recruiting abilities.
He would be great for us from a recruiting standpoint in FL in addition be being an OC who calls his own plays.
Do we name him Associate HC as well? I’d take him in a heart beat.
I've brought him up in the past as eh. Golden switched to a spread an uptempo spread somewhere during his Miami tenure and Coley ran it. The results were eh/mediocre considering the talent. Not a fan.
He's at UGA now too which is a pro style offense.
I don't know about recruiting and if you say he's a good recruiter that's fine but personally I'm not putting as much emphasis on that as opposed to coaching acumen which I'm more interested in.
Kendal Briles?
FAU put up some pretty good numbers. He was OC at Baylor before the poop hit the fan.
http://www.fausports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/kendal_briles_1036557.html
I've already thought of him and didn't bring him up because he had some controversial recruiting tactics at Baylor. There was even a little controversy when Kiffin hired him at FAU. Can you imagine what would happen up here. Taking that away I think he'd be a good OC but you have to look at everything that comes along including baggage.
Sterlin Gilbert the USF OC is from the Briles tree too though and he'd be solid option.
How about Art Briles and/or Kendal Briles? Art won’t be HC, so no need to worry about those responsibilities.
Watch what happens to recruiting at RU if that happens.
In this kind of environment with sexual assault and harassment in the forefront Art likely is going to have a hard time getting an OC job forget about HC. With Kendal though you'd likely get Art in the background advising and they've admitted as much I believe as far advice etc...
Problem is Kendal had his own controversial recruiting tactics he used at Baylor which even caused some hubbub when FAU hired him. So the baggage would likely be too much in the current climate in society not to mention we're going to be more sensitive to anything controversial vs. other schools.
There's a reason he and Lane Kiffin for that matter are at FAU and not some P5 school.
Coley would be a great hire but he is treated like royalty in Athens and his salary is close to 1 million.
He won over Josue matias and his mom day one.
He landed the German de out of Connecticut that went to the chiefs. He landed will tye who didn't work out at Fsu but has been in the league
He can recruit the northeast
Just to restate since so many of these OC related threads have been popping up.
Noel Mazzone, maybe package with son Taylor as a enticement, salary was in the 800K vicinity at UCLA and A&M
Phil Longo seems like he's staying put and may get a salary that puts him out of reach, Matt Luke has a 5M assistant pool
Mark Helfrich former Oregon HC doing tv with Fox
Dan Werner former Ole Miss OC before Longo, worked with Freeze and currently consultant at Alabama
Brian Wright Toledo OC with top 10 and 20 offenses in YPG/PPG the last 2 seasons salary in the mid 100s but Jason Candle did get his assistant salary pool bumped recently
Sterlin Gilbert USF OC, was with Strong his last year at Texas and now at USF has put out some solid to strong offenses, from the Briles tree
Graham Harrell as a possible co-OC to maintain continuity should we lose another one, from the Leach tree that has put out many good offensive coaches, has been OC 2 years at North Texas first year in the 100s in PPG/YPG and improved to 20s in both categories in his 2nd year makes around 200K
Noel Mazzone, maybe package with son Taylor as a enticement, salary was in the 800K vicinity at UCLA and A&M
Phil Longo seems like he's staying put and may get a salary that puts him out of reach, Matt Luke has a 5M assistant pool
Mark Helfrich former Oregon HC doing tv with Fox
Dan Werner former Ole Miss OC before Longo, worked with Freeze and currently consultant at Alabama
Brian Wright Toledo OC with top 10 and 20 offenses in YPG/PPG the last 2 seasons salary in the mid 100s but Jason Candle did get his assistant salary pool bumped recently
Sterlin Gilbert USF OC, was with Strong his last year at Texas and now at USF has put out some solid to strong offenses, from the Briles tree
Graham Harrell as a possible co-OC to maintain continuity should we lose another one, from the Leach tree that has put out many good offensive coaches, has been OC 2 years at North Texas first year in the 100s in PPG/YPG and improved to 20s in both categories in his 2nd year makes around 200K
Sterlin Gilbert's background just because his name really hasn't popped up here.
Gilbert previously served as offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach under head coach Charlie Strong at Texas during the 2016 season and previously held positions as co-offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach at Tulsa (2015), Bowling Green (2014) and Eastern Illinois (2012-13). Gilbert's last four offenses at four different universities have posted a combined average of 505.3 yards and 36.8 points per game, producing 304.3 yards per game through the air and 200.9 yards per game on the ground.
Gilbert's Texas offense ranked 17th in the nation and second in the Big 12 in rushing, posting 239.3 yards per game on the ground, and was 16th nationally and fifth in the Big 12 averaging 491.3 total yards per game.
Prior to Texas, Gilbert led a Tulsa offense that ranked 11th in the nation in passing (333.2 ypg), 13th in total offense (507.4 ypg) and 21st in scoring (37.2 ppg) in the nation.
During the 2012-13 seasons, Gilbert served as the offensive coordinator at Eastern Illinois, where in his second year he was named 2013 FootballScoop FCS Coordinator of the Year. The Panthers led the nation in total offense (589.5 ypg) and scoring (48.2 ppg), while ranking second with 372.4 passing yards, and 20th with 217.1 rushing yards per game, leading to a 12-2 record and an Ohio Valley Conference Championship.
Under the guidance of Gilbert, QB Jimmy Garoppolo was named the 2013 Walter Payton Award winner, the FCS equivalent of the Heisman Trophy
http://www.gousfbulls.com/coaches.aspx?rc=890&path=football
Gilbert previously served as offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach under head coach Charlie Strong at Texas during the 2016 season and previously held positions as co-offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach at Tulsa (2015), Bowling Green (2014) and Eastern Illinois (2012-13). Gilbert's last four offenses at four different universities have posted a combined average of 505.3 yards and 36.8 points per game, producing 304.3 yards per game through the air and 200.9 yards per game on the ground.
Gilbert's Texas offense ranked 17th in the nation and second in the Big 12 in rushing, posting 239.3 yards per game on the ground, and was 16th nationally and fifth in the Big 12 averaging 491.3 total yards per game.
Prior to Texas, Gilbert led a Tulsa offense that ranked 11th in the nation in passing (333.2 ypg), 13th in total offense (507.4 ypg) and 21st in scoring (37.2 ppg) in the nation.
During the 2012-13 seasons, Gilbert served as the offensive coordinator at Eastern Illinois, where in his second year he was named 2013 FootballScoop FCS Coordinator of the Year. The Panthers led the nation in total offense (589.5 ypg) and scoring (48.2 ppg), while ranking second with 372.4 passing yards, and 20th with 217.1 rushing yards per game, leading to a 12-2 record and an Ohio Valley Conference Championship.
Under the guidance of Gilbert, QB Jimmy Garoppolo was named the 2013 Walter Payton Award winner, the FCS equivalent of the Heisman Trophy
http://www.gousfbulls.com/coaches.aspx?rc=890&path=football
I don't think his salary is 1M. He makes 450K. He got a 150K retention bonus in March of this year but that's about it. Unless he's gotten a salary bump he's not near a million and even if he got a bump it's not likely to be that high either.
Two possible solutions, if it's Mazzone offer his son the 10th position and you might keep him around for longer.
If someone lower on the pay scale, hire a co-OC like a Graham Harell who might be a little to green at the moment but can step in if the "main" hire leaves. It's continuity from within the staff even if not the same person.
It is a sobering thought, but I have every expectation that the new OC will be from a MAC program. A coach on the way up the coaching ladder, whose recruiting areas fit the Big Ten geographic footprint. Or a head coach or an assistant from solid Div1-AA programs, like Lehigh head coach Andy Coen or Youngstown State OC Shane Montgomery.
Another thing with Sterlin Gilbert, he made 100K at USF which seemed unreasonably low so I looked it up and it seems he's like Charlie Strong in regards to salary. USF is benefiting off Texas' dime. For at least 1 more year both of them are still getting paid by Texas.
So we'd likely save money at least that first year here. But after that I don't think USF can pay as much as we would so longer term stability with regards to salary could be a lure for him. He made 850K at Texas but that's Texas and his first big payoff in the P5, a Kill like salary might get him. The money you save in the first year on Texas' dime can be bumped in to latter years and you'd still have budget for a co-OC like Harrell.
So we'd likely save money at least that first year here. But after that I don't think USF can pay as much as we would so longer term stability with regards to salary could be a lure for him. He made 850K at Texas but that's Texas and his first big payoff in the P5, a Kill like salary might get him. The money you save in the first year on Texas' dime can be bumped in to latter years and you'd still have budget for a co-OC like Harrell.
Have to believe that fit & chemistry will be HUGE factor - pulling in a favorable recruiting class & have some Offensive coaches who are viewed as worthy - so who ever comes in - figure it will be to warm welcomes - and not going to be a totally out of sync personality
I just saw we can save some money with Mazzone too for his first year here similar to Gilbert. A&M owes him 500K for each remaining year on his contract. He's got one more year left so again in that first year here we could pay him around 300K and save the money for latter years in the contract.
Came across this article when Mazzone first joined UCLA, seems they had 6 coordinators in 8 years. He ended up being there 4 with Mora. Article about his personality and how he operates and generalities about his system and some of the personnel he had to work with there. I've posted a more in depth article about his offense in one of the other OC threads.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/02/sports/la-sp-0403-noel-mazzone-ucla-20120403
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/02/sports/la-sp-0403-noel-mazzone-ucla-20120403
Well it has to be at least in the 650K range where Kill's salary was but I don't think it's a stretch to push that up slightly to 800K for the right person.
Really? I didn't know that, got a link by chance. I thought he was in that 600-650K range with 25K annual increases for the length of his contract.
No problem I would've been happier if you were right lol. It would've brought more certainty that we definitely would be upping the OC salary. We still could but we don't know for sure.
How long will Butch Jones be an OC ....here?
We need a HR...someone who can JUICE our Offense / RECRUIT like a Motha- but also invest 3-4 years HERE!
MO
Al Golden was a horrible and unpopular name in our head coaching search because he couldn't win with Miami talent, what the hell was he going to do for Rutgers.
Is there a compelling reason we want the OC who couldn't win with Miami talent? A guy who's now taken a step backward to WR coach?
Besides simply Knight Shift's insatiable desire to "first!!" ?
Is there a compelling reason we want the OC who couldn't win with Miami talent? A guy who's now taken a step backward to WR coach?
Besides simply Knight Shift's insatiable desire to "first!!" ?
3-4 years would be nice but I see that as a bonus, I don't need it as a requirement. I do want 2 years though, get the ball rolling and then hopefully it will continue downhill from there.
You know Bob Stoops had like at least 7 OCs in his 18 years at OU. So an average that's a little more than two but some were there longer and he had a co-OC set up many times. A couple were fired but many got HC jobs, it was great spot to turn into a HC job.
Mike Leach started it all and he was there just one year and then many of the hires were internal promotions from that co-OC position or other branches off Leach like their former OC and current HC Lincoln Riley.
It's why I promote the co-OC setup or something like Mazzone and son because you still can keep continuity while not from the same person but from within the staff and that can work just as well.
Chad Morris left Clemson and they promoted 2 guys from within the staff to be co-OC and they didn't miss a beat. Now one of them has been rumored off and on for HC positions but hasn't snagged one yet but guess what, they still have the other guy.
Find someone good that's first and foremost and 2 years is what I'd like to get the ball rolling. Then hopefully, you get people from within the staff or that same branch of coaching who can step in at future dates if necessary.
Was not Kyle Flood an co -oc way back when. We could bring him back and he works cheap. What could possible go wrong. But in all seriousness, I agree we need some stability and continuity at the position.