Rumor today from a pretty reliable source ...

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

We should probably go ahead and hire a coach who has experience doing well with traditionally weak programs against stronger programs who have better histories.

 

[OliveBranchDAWG]

I just don’t want it to get so filled with blue bloods that all the new blue bloods kick the old traditional members out

sigh

 

[Smoked Toag]

I heard something vastly different. NC State is the one we are after. That would be the quickest way to expand the SEC footprint. North Carolina is the 9th most populated state in the US. That's the most important thing for money.

Lastly, the borderline Ivy League schools in the ACC (like Duke, NC and WF) would likely not join. Football isn't their biggest driver of money and prestige.

As great as Clemson and FSU are, they wouldn't add much to the SEC in terms of TV money.

2010 called, they want their conference realignment plan back.

I'm guessing you are over 50 and still have a local cable provider.

 

[GloryDawg]

Funny thing, bringing in OU and TX, Florida lost thier large enough voting block to keep the other Florida schools out. Lucky for GA, GT is not that desirable

 

[moou]

What concerns me if the Bamas, Lsu, Florida, Georgias of the SEC leave and form a new conference with other elite teams. That would leave other 2nd tier and 3rd tier teams to scramble to form conferences.
Hope that never happens, but imagine what the networks would pay for the elite

 

[Go Budaw]

This is a fact. While Clemson has done well enough in the ratings during the postseason (when they play Alabama), their regular season television ratings are worse than ours.

Pretty much everyone also knows they are falling way back to the 8-4 club when Dabo leaves. And they are a smaller school than MSU. It’s absolutely asinine to compare them to Texas in the scope of adding schools from existing footprint states.

 

[bulldogbaja]

I think you’re missing the point. The SECCG will be the NC if this happens.

 

[Nicephorus]

I heard something vastly different. NC State is the one we are after. That would be the quickest way to expand the SEC footprint. North Carolina is the 9th most populated state in the US. That's the most important thing for money.

Lastly, the borderline Ivy League schools in the ACC (like Duke, NC and WF) would likely not join. Football isn't their biggest driver of money and prestige.

As great as Clemson and FSU are, they wouldn't add much to the SEC in terms of TV money.

Unlike last round, doesn’t sound like this round of expansion is being driven by increasing geographic footprint in hopes of forcing more cable providers to pay the per subscriber “in state team” premium for the SEC network. Cord cutting and resultant erosion of the “cable bundle” revenue model seems to have shifted the narrative back to raw number of actual viewers and fans potentially willing to pay a premium to watch or stream their favorite teams. Hence why the sec seems to be targeting big brands.

 

[thatsbaseball]

I think at least some of it is driven by NIL and the TOTAL commercialization of college football .

 

[Go Budaw]

2010 called, they want their conference realignment plan back.

I'm guessing you are over 50 and still have a local cable provider.

2021 called, and Goat is the only one who doesn’t realize that the University of Texas, with their 500,000 living alumni and 15,000,000 walk-on alumni, is about the only school in the country that is exempt from the “same-state” rule for SEC expansion. MAYBE Florida State might get a look, but even their huge base is completely dwarfed by UT.

On any given November Saturday with a .500 Texas team playing some random Big 12 team like Kansas State, and a Top 5 Clemson team playing Boston College (or any other ACC team not named Florida State or Miami) at the same time, there are at least twice as many people watching the Texas game.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Seems to be a sense of urgency now

related to The 12 team playoff plan, and NIL.

Seeing where you are, and Jockeying for position is what seems to be going on.

Looking Down the Road!

TX probably would have waited a couple more years, if they really could have.

They were being proactive.

 

[Miketice]

Obviously

FSU alum...

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Obviously Lee has never partied with The Machine.

Great bit

 

[Bulldogg31]

The way this is going, do these teams even need schools?

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Duke makes perfect sense for me.

I get to crash at my nephew’s place in Durham while seeing games at Wallace Wade.

 

[Dawgg]

They’re going to get more tie ins.

They kind of have to. As it stands now, the Big 12 has up to 8 tie-ins... which for those keeping score is the number of teams they currently have.

 

[SirBarksalot]

FSU alum...

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Obviously Lee has never partied with The Machine.

who,dis?

 

[Emma’s Dad]

FWIW, Leach did pretty well v Texas when Texas was playing well. Remember the Halloween game in 2007 or 2008? Texas was ranked no 1. Had beaten OU soundly. Went to Lubbock and got beaten on the last play of the game (reception by Michael Crabtree). OU ended up winning the conference by tiebreaker and I think played FL for the NC.

I think we will be capable of competing with Texas and OU. They may win more and will be favored but The Pirate has always done pretty well punching up.

 

[anon1787432961]

Looking at it the wrong way. What nearby school with a significant fan base is in a state where the SEC isn't yet? It's money based. That's all.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Sorry, Goat. I fat thumbed a downvote.

I agree with you especially when it comes to the Big 12.

The Big 12 is the Sick Man of Europe.

The Pac 12 & B1G are France and England.

The ACC is the Austrian Empire.

And yes, that means the SEC is led by Czar Sankey.

 

[patdog]

Leach was 2-8 vs Texas & 3-7 vs Oklahoma at Texas Tech. Don’t kid yourself. We won’t be any more competitive against them than we are against the other blue bloods in the SEC.

 

[wsjmsu75]

Leach was 2-8 vs Texas & 3-7 vs Oklahoma at Texas Tech. Don’t kid yourself. We won’t be any more competitive against them than we are against the other blue bloods in the SEC.

Maybe so, but I always feel that we at least have a chance against anyone in the SEC not named Alabama. Same goes for Texas and OU.

 

[patdog]

Oh, we’ll have a chance. Especially vs Texas if they don’t get their problems of the last decade figured out. But over time, I doubt we win more than half as many as we lose vs these two.

 

[Dawgg]

Leach was 2-8 vs Texas & 3-7 vs Oklahoma at Texas Tech. Don’t kid yourself. We won’t be any more competitive against them than we are against the other blue bloods in the SEC.

2 is as many wins as Mullen & Moorhead & Croom had against Alabama...combined.

3 is more wins than Mullen & Moorhead & Croom had against LSU... combined. Leach is already halfway to having as many wins as Mullen had against LSU in 9 seasons.

2-8 against Alabama and 3-7 against LSU over a 10 year span means we occasionally have a legit shot if one of the 2 and one of the 3 can be in the same season.

 

[patdog]

How many 5-5 LSU teams did Mullen face?

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Leach was 2-8 vs Texas & 3-7 vs Oklahoma at Texas Tech. Don’t kid yourself. We won’t be any more competitive against them than we are against the other blue bloods in the SEC.

We would have gone 6-4 or 7-3 against Texas this past decade, and Oklahoma loses a game or 2 every year to lesser programs that us like Iowa State, Kansas State, etc.

If we play Texas and Oklahoma every year from 2022 - 2031 and Leach is our coach the whole decade, I am very confident we go better than 5-15 against them. Probably something like 8-12, or better if Texas keeps sucking. Feel free to bump this thread in 10 years.

 

[patdog]

That’s 3 times as many losses as wins. 5 wins is pretty close to the mark though. Which is very little success.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

Leach was 2-8 vs Texas & 3-7 vs Oklahoma at Texas Tech. Don’t kid yourself. We won’t be any more competitive against them than we are against the other blue bloods in the SEC.

Just curious what Mullen’s record was against LSU, Alabama and Auburn? I know he was 0’fer against Bama and only beat LSU two times? He beat Auburn 3 times? So if Leach does what he did in the XII against the blue bloods we’ll be right in line with the greatest run in school history?

 

[patdog]

Mullen was also 3-3 vs A&M. But that’s my point. It’s damn hard to beat teams like Bama, Auburn, LSU, A&M, Texas & Oklahoma, even in the good years. For us to be successful, we have to take advantage of the rare years they’re down, steal one here & there when they’re not down & beat teams like Arkansas, Mississippi & Kentucky more than we lose to them.

 

[Dawgg]

How many 5-5 LSU teams did Mullen face?

Seeing as how LSU never played a 10 game (all conference) schedule while Mullen was at Mississippi State, that would be impossible.

 

[FISHDAWG]

If this happens get ready to play an entire season @ 11am

 

[aTotal360]

Gets me home in time to watch Oak Island.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Mullen was also 3-3 vs A&M. But that’s my point. It’s damn hard to beat teams like Bama, Auburn, LSU, A&M, Texas & Oklahoma, even in the good years. For us to be successful, we have to take advantage of the rare years they’re down, steal one here & there when they’re not down & beat teams like Arkansas, Mississippi & Kentucky more than we lose to them.

Texas doesn't belong on that list. We were a better program over the course of the 2010s than they were.

Maybe they'll get better when they're playing SEC teams week-in, week-out, but I doubt it. That fanbase doesn't demand excellence.

 

[patdog]

Trust me, Texas belongs on the list. Even in the last "down" decade for them and the greatest decade in our history since WWII, they still went 73-53 (50-39) to our 74-54 (36-46), finished ranked 4 seasons to our 3, and had the only top 10 season either of us had in 2018 at #9. And that was a bad decade for them.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Trust me, Texas belongs on the list. Even in the last "down" decade for them and the greatest decade in our history since WWII, they still went 73-53 (50-39) to our 74-54 (36-46), finished ranked 4 seasons to our 3, and had the only top 10 season either of us had in 2018 at #9. And that was a bad decade for them.

Why compare records when our SOS were so different? We finished better in the Sagarin in 7 of the 10 years of the 2010s:

	MSU	Texas
2010	15	64
2011	31	17
2012	42	16
2013	31	33
2014	9	53
2015	18	56
2016	47	60
2017	17	27
2018	8	17
2019	47	15
AVG	26.5	35.8

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Not that the Sagarin is gospel, but it's a much better datapoint than W/L with totally different schedules or biased AP rankings whose ballots don't go past #25

 

[patdog]

Just pointing out that, even in a down decade Texas is at least comparable to the best decade in our history. And with their resources and recruiting base, there's literally no chance they stay this down indefinitely. There are a handful of college football programs that could win a national title within 5-6 years from almost any depths of disarray. Texas is one of those programs.

 

[HumpDawgy]

Sankey keeps this up and the SEC will become the de facto NCAA. (I'm ok with that).

 

[drumrcraig]

Leach was 2-8 vs Texas & 3-7 vs Oklahoma at Texas Tech. Don’t kid yourself. We won’t be any more competitive against them than we are against the other blue bloods in the SEC.

I'll take that over the 13-14 year losing streak we have now against Alabama any day. Nobody is asking us to be .500 against them. A 30% clip against Oklahoma is probably better than our record against most SEC blue bloods.

 

[MidsouthDawg]

Barstool and other outlets are already reporting...mega conference is definitely on the way
BREAKING: Clemson and Florida State have reached out to the SEC about joining the conference, per @MarcRyanOnAir https://t.co/k7j4JDBPQq