Basketball Ron & Dylan Harper / Ace Bailey - NBA Thread

RedTeamUpstream94

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He would have been rookie of the year if he played for anyone else. Long term the Spurs from a developmental standpoint are perfect for him.

Where r the clowns saying he was not a Pg, can’t play D, or wouldn’t be a good pro? lol

He is so efficient

….someone saying he should stay another year at Rutgers to develop further as he wasn’t nba ready.

That was an all time classic
 

NickRU714

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He would have been rookie of the year if he played for anyone else. Long term the Spurs from a developmental standpoint are perfect for him.

Where r the clowns saying he was not a Pg, can’t play D, or wouldn’t be a good pro? lol

He is so efficient

Here you go.
Ace and Dylan:

Too slow
Can't shoot
Can't dribble
Won't be able to handle so many games
Won't start on any team
Too slow to be a NBA PG
Should return because they will waste away in the G-League (Flagg as well)


 

seansherm

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He would have been rookie of the year if he played for anyone else. Long term the Spurs from a developmental standpoint are perfect for him.

Where r the clowns saying he was not a Pg, can’t play D, or wouldn’t be a good pro? lol

He is so efficient
Not sure about POY, but probably hops Edgecomb at worst.
It's really helped him having strong defenders around him. He's got like three better defenders on the floor with him at all times. I've been impressed he's kept his TO rate pretty low. Question is, do the SAS keep all the guards and keep him in that role for a couple years?
 
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Not sure about POY, but probably hops Edgecomb at worst.
It's really helped him having strong defenders around him. He's got like three better defenders on the floor with him at all times. I've been impressed he's kept his TO rate pretty low. Question is, do the SAS keep all the guards and keep him in that role for a couple years?
Fox will be out I believe. Mentor the younger guards until they mature a bit more. Dylan eventually moves into the starting PG role Castle goes to the sixth man role. Just an opinion
 

seansherm

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Fox will be out I believe. Mentor the younger guards until they mature a bit more. Dylan eventually moves into the starting PG role Castle goes to the sixth man role. Just an opinion
Oooh, don't know that it makes sense that they ever swap Dylan and Castle when they are both flourishing in current roles. I see them more playing together interchangeably at both positions.
 

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Not sure about POY, but probably hops Edgecomb at worst.
It's really helped him having strong defenders around him. He's got like three better defenders on the floor with him at all times. I've been impressed he's kept his TO rate pretty low. Question is, do the SAS keep all the guards and keep him in that role for a couple years?
He wasn’t that awful on D at RU it was just that a) his usage on offense was off the charts so he didn’t have enough in the tank to be a difference maker on D and b) he was a frosh - adjusting to the speed of the game (more D is actually played in college than in the NBA) and c) the front court D was really the problem last year. I’d argue - Ace didn’t look great out there but he was far and away our best front court defender overall.

This leads into the remaining premise that the frontcourt D remains a problem that hasn’t been sufficiently addressed. Trading Grant for a comparably poor defender in Smith isn’t going to help much unless Sydnor / Buchanan provide more support at the 3/4 than we got supporting Grant last year. Gurdack will be servicable on D, but I wouldn’t say that’s a strength.
 

seansherm

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He wasn’t that awful on D at RU it was just that a) his usage on offense was off the charts so he didn’t have enough in the tank to be a difference maker on D and b) he was a frosh - adjusting to the speed of the game (more D is actually played in college than in the NBA) and c) the front court D was really the problem last year. I’d argue - Ace didn’t look great out there but he was far and away our best front court defender overall.

This leads into the remaining premise that the frontcourt D remains a problem that hasn’t been sufficiently addressed. Trading Grant for a comparably poor defender in Smith isn’t going to help much unless Sydnor / Buchanan provide more support at the 3/4 than we got supporting Grant last year. Gurdack will be servicable on D, but I wouldn’t say that’s a strength.
He wasn't great on D last year, but still was amongst our best defenders, point was, good defensive players around a guy make you look much better whether you are good or average.

We need to hope that Syndor is a big upgrade defensively over Grant and that Gurdak will be better at the help aspect and pure post D than EO was, as we know he's not quite the rebounder or shot blocker. Realistically, we probably just moved our worst defender from the 4 spot to the 3 in Smith and will be just OK at the other spot. It is safe to say that back up 5 defense has been upgraded, maybe the only defensive upgrade overall.
 

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He wasn't great on D last year, but still was amongst our best defenders, point was, good defensive players around a guy make you look much better whether you are good or average.

We need to hope that Syndor is a big upgrade defensively over Grant and that Gurdak will be better at the help aspect and pure post D than EO was, as we know he's not quite the rebounder or shot blocker. Realistically, we probably just moved our worst defender from the 4 spot to the 3 in Smith and will be just OK at the other spot. It is safe to say that back up 5 defense has been upgraded, maybe the only defensive upgrade overall.

Yes to the last part, but on the same hand, we’ve downgraded our ability to defend the handful of 5 out style teams we’ll face in conference because we currently don’t have a guy who can fill the role Dortch played against those opponents. I feel we could really use to add one more defensive piece to the frontcourt.
 

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He looked really
He would have been rookie of the year if he played for anyone else. Long term the Spurs from a developmental standpoint are perfect for him.

Where r the clowns saying he was not a Pg, can’t play D, or wouldn’t be a good pro? lol

He is so efficient
I saw 3rd quarter and into 4th quarter only of this game, but I thought Dylan looked great. Carried the offense for a portion of the game. Very efficient and makes it look effortless.
 

RAC93

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Should return because they will waste away in the G-League (Flagg as well)
Here you go.
Ace and Dylan:

Too slow
Can't shoot
Can't dribble
Won't be able to handle so many games
Won't start on any team
Too slow to be a NBA PG
Should return because they will waste away in the G-League (Flagg as well)


“Should return because they will waste away in the G-League (Flagg as well)” is really the coup de grâce of all these. All three are all perfectly fine in the NBA and should have long careers, barring injuries.
 

seansherm

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Yes to the last part, but on the same hand, we’ve downgraded our ability to defend the handful of 5 out style teams we’ll face in conference because we currently don’t have a guy who can fill the role Dortch played against those opponents. I feel we could really use to add one more defensive piece to the frontcourt.
No doubt, I'm assuming we shift Syndor to that Dortch role against a five out and thats when Darren spends time at the 4.
 

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Here you go.
Ace and Dylan:

Too slow
Can't shoot
Can't dribble
Won't be able to handle so many games
Won't start on any team
Too slow to be a NBA PG
Should return because they will waste away in the G-League (Flagg as well)



scanning that thread is ******* hilarious. The number of bad takes is just amazing

it starts with the OP - he ends his post by saying “prove me wrong” - my first thought: ace and Harper just did 😆 😂 🤣

I think the best post was this guy who argued against those saying that ace and Harper were over-rated:

“I wonder who is more on point about their draft status/ NBA potential?

People who get paid to evaluate talent for a multi-billion $$ business?

or

Know-nothing idiots on a message board?”

Sounds like an extremely smart and amazingly handsome guy