OrangeForever is the dumbest man I've never met.
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The libs in America are a much better comparison to the Nazis & I guess they'll have to be the next to get their asses kicked by the red, white, & blue....b/c let's face it, no group has ever hated America as much as them...
Not only did he not go to Clemson, he doesn't even have a bachelor's degree. Just like most liberals. No education at all.
No wonder your basic grasp of American history is on a potato level. Makes sense.
Can you provide evidence of this? Every search I do is coming up that Lincoln did, in fact, not own any slaves, but I'm not sure if he actually did or not.
Made it two pages without someone giving a history lesson on how the civil war wasn't about slavery. Has to be a record.
Soooo....your first sentence stated that you don't care. But then you write a couple of paragraphs to back up the fact that you don't care?
Listen man, the south lost the war and these monuments are glorifying the losers of that war. It's akin to a participation trophy for the confederates. Taking them down is the proper thing to do since we don't celebrate losers in America.
Now if schools stop teaching our children about the Civil War, then you can get back on here and complain about people trying to erase history and I would agree with you. Until then the only thing I see in your post is a whole lot of whining and crying.
I thought conservatives hated fake news. Or does that only apply when it suits your agenda?
If this is true then why the need to remove monuments. Or rename buildings. Or ...
But I agree with you. These moves recently had nothing to do with slavery and are just a group that is pushing its agenda under other pretenses. That is what you are inferring right?
These threads are the best. They're the only ones where I still lose track of who is trolling.
Your services are requested @Steven15
Your services are requested @Steven15
As a Jew are you happy about ISIS destroying historic monuments to the Jewish and heritage? Just trying to connect some dot that you may relate too.
Given the political climate, it's seems less than likely that you are ever gonna get your wish.
I checked Abraham Lincoln's US Census records and he did not own any slaves. I knew the fact that he came of Illinois the chances would be very low. I would say that that many white people on this message board whose ancestry lived in the south during that time likely owned slaves. I have an ancestor who captained a slave ship and was part of the slave trade, and I have ancestors who helped get slaves out of Kentucky to freedom by getting them across the Ohio River into the non-slave state of Ohio. As a genealogist I have read newspapers from this time where they advertised the buying and selling of slaves like they were selling furniture, and it is sickening to read, yet that was the mentality of many during this time.
Yet wiping out monuments of Civil War generals is not the answer that will make everyone feel good again. In historical events, you learn from your mistakes and move on to make things better. Regardless of whether you believe the cause of that war was only about slavery, or that was just one of several issues that led to war, taking down these monuments will not erase the fact of the war. My DNA test shows that I don't have one ounce of native American (0%) genes in me, but would say that the native Americans have the best argument in stripping away all this culture we shoved down their throats. You think that mountain in their native lands in South Dakota with the presidents carved in it makes them feel good to look at. What if the protest to have the carving removed, because I know Teddy Roosevelt didn't do them any favors by violating their lands for oil revenues.
I say again about the things Lincoln said about African Americans (slaves) and calling them inferior to the white man. Why should he have a monument?
Yet wiping out monuments of Civil War generals is not the answer that will make everyone feel good again. In historical events, you learn from your mistakes and move on to make things better. Regardless of whether you believe the cause of that war was only about slavery, or that was just one of several issues that led to war, taking down these monuments will not erase the fact of the war. My DNA test shows that I don't have one ounce of native American (0%) genes in me, but would say that the native Americans have the best argument in stripping away all this culture we shoved down their throats. You think that mountain in their native lands in South Dakota with the presidents carved in it makes them feel good to look at. What if the protest to have the carving removed, because I know Teddy Roosevelt didn't do them any favors by violating their lands for oil revenues.
I say again about the things Lincoln said about African Americans (slaves) and calling them inferior to the white man. Why should he have a monument?
They don't want the statues, they want revenge. As soon as the statues are down, it will be on to the next symbol of oppression... until what?
That's the question. It will come down to two things: It will either end with all symbols of the confederacy being torn away, or it will extend to all corners of American history, because so much of America was built on the backs of Black slaves. Actually, the entire history of the Western world was written thanks to slave labor, but were stretching it thin at that point.
I think it ends with Confederate monuments. America won't let its heroes be dishonored, however hypocritical that may be
That's the question. It will come down to two things: It will either end with all symbols of the confederacy being torn away, or it will extend to all corners of American history, because so much of America was built on the backs of Black slaves. Actually, the entire history of the Western world was written thanks to slave labor, but were stretching it thin at that point.
I think it ends with Confederate monuments. America won't let its heroes be dishonored, however hypocritical that may be
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You're pretty clueless about what I said. I don't care about the statues. I care about the motives behind it all. Path to ignorance. If you can't grasp that I can't help you anymore.
You're pretty clueless about what I said. I don't care about the statues. I care about the motives behind it all. Path to ignorance. If you can't grasp that I can't help you anymore.
@iceheart08 hey man do you know if any of the historical symbols/statues are protected under a historical record law? I know in SC renaming a building is tough to do because it falls under certain laws that prohibit it from being renamed. Are these types of laws different state to state? I am curious.
Yep. These statues were the worlds first participation trophies.
Lincoln did not own slaves. Not true. The EP changed the way the war was fought. The North now had a a moral cause to fight the war which led Freed Blacks to join the Union cause. Lincoln fought hard for the passage of the 13th Amendment which did end slavery. Lincoln thought that slavery was morally wrong.
Victors always have and always will get to write the history books. Get over it y'all.
HAHA! I was about to comment on this.
I thought a "snowflake" is someone who drinks a half-caf caramel latte, wants a ribbon for his/her last place finish,needs a safe space
Not sure I do either anymore. The lines are being blurred from both sides.
I think you need a lesson on what constitutes a snowflake. The snowflakes are the ones who want these statues, who aren't hurting anyone, to be taken down.
I am not for any of these statues being taken down, but I LOLOLOLOL when I read someone say that the Civil War was not fought over slavery because they read that in some alternate history book that's been published in the last 30 years.
I think you're spot on with the first paragraph. It's not about slavery, it's about perpetuating grievance, getting revenge, making people look and feel bad.
But unless it's sarcasm, the second paragraph is off. America was not built on the backs of slaves. The Southern economy? Certainly. Some Northern corporations and/or companies? Yes....to a degree. But the country as a whole? No.
Wasn't that "The Country As A Whole"! Homework; Let's see US Slavery Of Blacks Started_____/US Slavery Of Blacks Ended _______?
No.
Did slave labor build and man the shipping and fishing fleets? Build canals, railroads, airports, skyscrapers? Did they build our banking and finance systems? Settle and tame the frontier? Farms of the Midwest? Ranches in the West? The auto industry, tech industries? No.
I suppose gridlock is better than expanding the government in crazy ways, like free college for all. Hopefully the folks in DC can move us forward.