RIP Kobe

Ukbrassowtipin

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I'm all for Kobe tributes, but that seems over the top. You don't retire numbers of guys who never played for your franchise unless maybe it's some truly socially transformative Jackie Robinson type figure.

If they're gonna retire Kobe's 24, then why not also Jordan's 23, Magic's 32, Bird's 33, Russell's 6, etc?
Because they're alive
 

Skyguyb27

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Never ceases to amaze me how emotional something like this can make you. I don’t watch the NBA and haven’t in many years. But when I heard the news it took my breath away. Bless his family.
I feel this way as well. Sending prayers to his family and friends. I couldn't fathom losing my wife or my daughter in an accident and I'd lose my mind losing both.
 

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This tweet sums up my feelings. I can't believe how much false reporting occurred today, and by mainstream network outlets. Journalistic standard have truly gone to crap. There was a time when getting it right was considered more important than getting it out fast. The social media age seems to have completely destroyed that ethos.

How is the Fox line incorrect?
 

bbnkat02

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Yesterday was dark. Between this and me coming up on Mom’s one year death, the serious virus spreading in China, locusts in Africa? I’ve struggled to smile. I’ve been manic. And then I’ll just sit really quietly for awhile.

Prayers for the Bryant family. Prayers for all his friends and his students so to speak. Prayers for you. Prayers for me please. Prayers for all of us.

For the first time in a awhile, I’m genuinely numb.
 

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Yesterday was dark. Between this and me coming up on Mom’s one year death, the serious virus spreading in China, locusts in Africa? I’ve struggled to smile. I’ve been manic. And then I’ll just sit really quietly for awhile.

Prayers for the Bryant family. Prayers for all his friends and his students so to speak. Prayers for you. Prayers for me please. Prayers for all of us.

For the first time in a awhile, I’m genuinely numb.
Sounds like you've about finished that bottle. You need to go sleep it off
 

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Very tragic. My condolences to his family. Also condolences to all the families of our military hero's who gave everything for this country.
 

Macys Socks

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Its still not being reported. Have you seen it elsewhere? Seems odd this report comes out the night after LeBron passes him on the scoring list.
It’s being reported everywhere else. Definitely true.[/QUOTE]

Its still not being reported. Have you seen it elsewhere? Seems odd this report comes out the night after LeBron passes him on the scoring list.
It literally just started being reported within the last 15 minutes[/QUOTE]

In all fairness, I posted that before the news had really hit outside of TMZ.

RIP to one of the greatest of all time.
 

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I’ve watched all the tributes they’ve had so far. I’ve watched the interviews with the coaches, players, celebrities. I’ve watched the news stations live at the crash site. And then I see his picture up with the numbers 1978-2020 underneath it and it still doesn’t even feel real.
 

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Agreed. Here it is if folks wanna judge for themselves (but warning, NSFW language). Either way, I'm pretty sure she just wrecked her career.

She was obviously confused and stumbling before she said that. It was an honest mistake. Does anyone think she’d intentionally say that on national TV about a story that the entire country was watching? No chance. She was clearly fumbling through the lines and trying to get back on track and she messed up.
 
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What a horrific day. I usually don’t get all caught up in celebrity deaths but this just feels different. Like Elvis/ Michael Jackson level death.

So sad for his wife... and the others who perished.
 

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FIRST espn was actually trying to respect families by not saying kobe. You know once kobe was mention family members would of known who was on board with him ESPECIALLY Vanessa. 2 they were wanting all on espn staff to be informed that was close friends with kobe etc. So do not bash espn for actually respecting the families. BTW. Vanessa found out by tmz. Just imagine
 

UKGrad93

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Hold your children and loved ones tight tonight for tomorrow is not guaranteed.
Prayers for the families of all who perished.
This can't be said enough.

I haven't read much of the news about this, but I'm sure everyone on board had plans for that night, the next day, the next several years. Those plans are all changed now. Fame didn't matter, money didn't matter, talent didn't matter. For most of us, these deaths will mark a moment in time. For their families, it will mark the beginning of grief that will last a lifetime. Their grief will not end after the funeral or after the casseroles are gone.
 

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I don't mean to turn this thread negative, but I think folks are getting a bit carried away with some of this stiff.

As someone else here noted, 2003 did happen ...even though we're not supposed to talk about it now. And it's a valid reason why we might wanna tone down all the talk of making him the new NBA Logo, everyone retiring his number, etc.
 
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I don't mean to turn this thread negative, but I think folks are getting a bit carried away with some of this stiff.

As someone else here noted, 2003 did happen ...even though we're apparently not supposed to talk about it now. And it's a valid reason why we might wanna tone down all the talk of making him the new NBA Logo, everyone retiring his number, etc.
Let people grieve and pay their respects. It’s not that hard. Put your personal bias aside. I take it you don’t have children, or take them for granted if you do. It’s more than just Kobe the basketball player here. And yes people die everyday, but everyone knew Kobe, so this one hits harder than a random travesty. Get off your effing high horse.
 

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I don't mean to turn this thread negative, but I think folks are getting carried away with some of this stiff.

As someone else here noted, 2003 did happen ...even though we're apparently not supposed to talk about it now. And it's a valid reason why we might wanna tone down all the talk of making him the new NBA Logo, everyone retiring his number, etc.
Yeah, 2003 happened. He got a really expensive hooker. Once she agreed to take money to go away, she turned herself into a prostitute.
 
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I don't mean to turn this thread negative, but I think folks are getting a bit carried away with some of this stiff.

As someone else here noted, 2003 did happen ...even though we're not supposed to talk about it now. And it's a valid reason why we might wanna tone down all the talk of making him the new NBA Logo, everyone retiring his number, etc.

Thank God you're here to tell people how to properly grieve. Hope you do a better job raising children than your parents did, but I have my doubts.
 

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I don't mean to turn this thread negative, but I think folks are getting a bit carried away with some of this stiff.

As someone else here noted, 2003 did happen ...even though we're not supposed to talk about it now. And it's a valid reason why we might wanna tone down all the talk of making him the new NBA Logo, everyone retiring his number, etc.

That discussion of his past transgressions can happen later it doesn’t need to happen right after he tragically died
 

bnewt

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This can't be said enough.

I haven't read much of the news about this, but I'm sure everyone on board had plans for that night, the next day, the next several years. Those plans are all changed now. Fame didn't matter, money didn't matter, talent didn't matter. For most of us, these deaths will mark a moment in time. For their families, it will mark the beginning of grief that will last a lifetime. Their grief will not end after the funeral or after the casseroles are gone.

just can't imagine the thoughts and fears of the entire group before the impact
I keep wondering...did they know they were in trouble? how long did they know? just can't imagine the fear, the crying.....
hopefully they felt no pain

the pain the families are feeling...…..his wife & remaining kids having to deal with loosing a father/husband and sister/daughter all at the same time

lost my dad 3 years ago and miss him every day......people say time heals all wounds...maybe some, but I'm not so sure about death of a loved one......if you ever get over it
 

EliteBlue

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Seems surreal. Thats most of our entire childhoods/adult lives of basketball. Makes you feel like you know them when you’ve followed them for 30ish years.

One of the all time greats.

Hate it for his girls. He really seemed to had found purpose the last few years in trying to be the best dad he could be and spending time w his family. We’ve all made mistakes but he seemed to have his priorities in the right place since retirement. Condolences and Godspeed to the family
@BBBLazing

I provided clarification to a topic that was brought up. How about instead of being condescending you read the rest of the thread. No less than 10 post later. Not to mention others later in the thread feeling for what his family has to go through now and the loss of such a young life in Gigi.

We all know how great he was on the court and that he’s arguably the fiercest competitor of all time. He was tremendously influential in an entire generation of basketball players spanning over a 20-30 year period.

Nothing negative was said but by all means continue inaccurately policing post. Or you can focus on what’s important. Say your condolences and then Go love your loved ones. Take advantage of the life we have bc this should be an eye opener to everyone that death knows no age or status. This wasn’t a self inflicted thing. It can come whenever and we should live life to the fullest and let ppl know how important they are. Not look for negatives that don’t exist.
 
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https://www.khou.com/article/news/n...fied/285-4494a6b6-ccd5-4c14-acbc-ef0731c70543

The 9 victims have been identified. Unfortunately another child and her mother lost along with a basketball coach at Harbor Day School in Newport Beach, where Kobe's daughter attended school. So sad.

It’s like the Marshall football plane crash, only if Bill Belichick was the Marshall coach and his son was on the team. Took half of that team, parents, and both coaches. Just unbelievably awful. Everyone associated with that team, Bryant’s sports academy, and the junior college where Altobelli coached will never get over this. Dozens of people’s lives have been irretrievably altered. It is just so so tragic.
 

KYWildCatsFan

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It’s like the Marshall football plane crash, only if Bill Belichick was the Marshall coach and his son was on the team. Took half of that team, parents, and both coaches. Just unbelievably awful. Everyone associated with that team, Bryant’s sports academy, and the junior college where Altobelli coached will never get over this. Dozens of people’s lives have been irretrievably altered. It is just so so tragic.

I just can't imagine the loss. Especially the kids that will have to live without BOTH of their parents and sister. It's just an unimaginable loss for all involved.

And I just can't stop thinking about what it must have been like in the helicopter. I pray it was fast and they had no warning.
 
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I don't mean to turn this thread negative, but I think folks are getting a bit carried away with some of this stiff.

As someone else here noted, 2003 did happen ...even though we're not supposed to talk about it now. And it's a valid reason why we might wanna tone down all the talk of making him the new NBA Logo, everyone retiring his number, etc.

You didn’t mean to? Did your dog post that for you? If not, you did mean to. Name one person who hasn’t done something they shouldn’t have, or regretted. I’ll wait.
 
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Word keeps spreading about the fog but witnesses have said they could hear aircraft flying really low and sputtering. Pilot had over 30 years experience flying heli. Something terribly wrong had to occur.
 

UKGrad93

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just can't imagine the thoughts and fears of the entire group before the impact
I keep wondering...did they know they were in trouble? how long did they know? just can't imagine the fear, the crying.....
hopefully they felt no pain

the pain the families are feeling...…..his wife & remaining kids having to deal with loosing a father/husband and sister/daughter all at the same time

lost my dad 3 years ago and miss him every day......people say time heals all wounds...maybe some, but I'm not so sure about death of a loved one......if you ever get over it
Yesterday marked 10 years that my dad has been gone. It took a while, but I've come to understand it. It is hard, but it is a natural order. I lost my 14 year old daughter (pic on avatar) 7 months ago. From talking to other parents that have lost children, it is something they say you will never get over, you just learn to live with it and learn how to endure the pain. It is unnatural.
 

EliteBlue

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If y’all haven’t listened to the latest Aaron Torres Sports Podcast dedicated to Kobe, I highly recommend it. I think he nails what most here have tried to express.

he talks about it for about 20 min and the last 25 min are about this weekend of college games.
 
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Yeah, 2003 happened. He got a really expensive hooker. Once she agreed to take money to go away, she turned herself into a prostitute.

Per Kobe's own apology.. she didnt take Hush money..and he admits to making a mistake.

Now, did he rape her..probably not.. did he maybe go too far or rough.. per his own apology. Yes.
 

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Why do people continue to mention 2003? None of us were present at the hotel but we have several experts that seem to know everything that happened. The man and his daughter were killed along with several others and we can’t even mourn without negative **** being posted.
 

bnewt

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Yesterday marked 10 years that my dad has been gone. It took a while, but I've come to understand it. It is hard, but it is a natural order. I lost my 14 year old daughter (pic on avatar) 7 months ago. From talking to other parents that have lost children, it is something they say you will never get over, you just learn to live with it and learn how to endure the pain. It is unnatural.

wow...…...so sorry for your loss..having enough trouble getting over my dad's death, can't imagine the heartache of loosing a young child
 
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Yesterday marked 10 years that my dad has been gone. It took a while, but I've come to understand it. It is hard, but it is a natural order. I lost my 14 year old daughter (pic on avatar) 7 months ago. From talking to other parents that have lost children, it is something they say you will never get over, you just learn to live with it and learn how to endure the pain. It is unnatural.
Wow, very tragic. Beautiful girl. Have a daughter, older. But once she too was 14. Could not imagine life without her in this world. Other than that, not even going to attempt words to approach your grief. None could do you proper. Thank you for sharing. Peace and love
 

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I'm 43. Kobe has been in the spotlight for over half my life. I always thought people who mourned over celebrities were kooky, but this has hit me hard. I've spent the day showering my daughters with hugs and kisses...something I should be doing more of.

Hope you guys cherish the ones closest to you. And I hope I never have to deal with what Vanessa is dealing with.

RIP, Kobe.


This is the one.

This is the only one for me.

Princess Di was killed just about 5 months after my father died. I remember thinking, "What is wrong with these people?!?". I couldn't understand the moaning and wailing over the loss of a public figure like that. Someone they didn't even know.

Today, I get it.

". . .mourn with those who mourn."

- Romans 12:15
 
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"the helicopter was given what is known as Special Visual Flight Rules clearance, meaning they could proceed through Burbank’s airspace on a foggy morning in Southern California.

Whether the pilot made the right decision — to allow the helicopter to continue flying on despite low fog in the hillsides of Calabasas, where the aircraft crashed — will likely be at the center of the investigation into the cause of the crash.

Any special clearance from air traffic controllers would have allowed the pilot to fly through the controlled airspace around Burbank and Van Nuys, but would not give the flight permission to continue on to Calabasas.

Just before losing radio contact, the pilot asked for “flight following,” which allows controllers to track the flight and be in regular contact.

The controller responded that the helicopter was “too low level for flight following at this time.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/sports/kobe-bryant-death.html
 
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UKUGA

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Just a note:

From what I can gather, the Lakers have still not issued any type of public statement.

Nothing on twitter, and nothing on Lakers.com.

In this day and age, when everyone feels compelled to run and get their words and images out for public consumption, I find this fascinating.

In recent years, the Lakers have done a lot of house-cleaning. But Kobe was definitely a part of the family. A "son" to Jerry Buss, and somewhat like a brother to so many others.

He and Rob Pelinka were good friends, professional business partners, and confidantes.

This must be daunting for them. But I admire the silence.

At the same time, it just makes me think of how emotionally crushed they all must be right now.

Tuesday night was supposed to be one of the biggest games of the regular season. Now, they are preparing a very public funeral.
 

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"the helicopter was given what is known as Special Visual Flight Rules clearance, meaning they could proceed through Burbank’s airspace on a foggy morning in Southern California.

Whether the pilot made the right decision — to allow the helicopter to continue flying on despite low fog in the hillsides of Calabasas, where the aircraft crashed — will likely be at the center of the investigation into the cause of the crash.

Any special clearance from air traffic controllers would have allowed the pilot to fly through the controlled airspace around Burbank and Van Nuys, but would not give the flight permission to continue on to Calabasas.

Just before losing radio contact, the pilot asked for “flight following,” which allows controllers to track the flight and be in regular contact.

The controller responded that the helicopter was “too low level for flight following at this time.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/sports/kobe-bryant-death.html
Man that’s tough. Weather is crazy unpredictable and fog is insane on the West Coast. Pilot probably made an assumption it would burn off as they progressed and the ceiling would rise and decided to push trying to get everyone to the game.

VMC/VFR conditions are minimums of 1000’ ceiling and 3 miles of horizontal visibility. It isn’t uncommon for helicopters to fly SVFR since you’re typically flying around 500’-1500’ if you’re VFR anyways. Sounds like the ceiling likely dropped and got worse after they departed.

This whole things just sucks and makes me sick to my stomach. So many things and factors just lined up. If even just one doesn’t then this doesn’t happen.