Rich Rod

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hire RR the defense is going to get even worse. His last year at michigan they gave up 35 ppg
 

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Hire RR and his QB kid will probably transfer from Arizona. Saw him play in one game, seemed better than anything we currently have on the roster. RR does have a ton of baggage, but it would be an upgrade.
 
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Or Todd Graham
Man knows how to pick OCs but have to have some really prohibitive clause in his contract to keep him from jumping after a year or 2.

From an article about his time away:

Not long ago, Penni couldn't find her husband so she texted:

"Where are you?"

"In the film room," Graham replied.

"Don't you know you don't have a job?"

Graham's working on a 3rd-and-long package, trying to adapt NFL concepts to the college game. He's also looking at how defenses communicate and examining run-pass options on offense.

This week, Graham is visiting his friend Bill Belichick in New England. He's already taken trips to swap ideas with former assistants Chip Long at Notre Dame and Mike Norvell at Memphis.

He's also watched games from his six seasons at ASU, evaluating, of course, but also just reliving the memories. With coaches always grinding, always preparing for the next week, the good times often escape.

"I’m going to tell you this," Graham said. "Twenty years from now and I’m 73-years-old, old Coach Graham might be the defensive coordinator for a seventh-grade team."

He knows it won't be easy once the season kicks off. He's not sure he'll stay in town on ASU game days. But he's confident sometime soon, an athletic director or university president will look at what he's accomplished and give him a chance.

"Look at what we’ve done," Graham said, referring to his head-coaching stops at Rice, Tulsa, Pittsburgh and ASU. "I was head coach for 12 years. Ten of those years we qualified for the postseason. Five out of six bowl games here. Won 96 games in 12 years. Graduated players almost 90 percent. A 3.0 (team) GPA (at ASU).

"I feel good about all that, and I think there’s a program out there that will want that. We’ll see what happens."

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/ncaaf/asu/2018/08/01/asu-todd-graham-coaching-job/871495002/
 
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Who knows if Harbaugh wants to coach in college and if he did why would he come into the division where his brother is a coach? From their superbowl I didn't get the impression they enjoyed competed against each other on opposite sidelines.
 

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Can we get get Belichek as an assistant? Then after Ash moves on to replace Urban, Bill becomes head coach. 4D chess.
 

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I could see John Harbaugh going to someplace like USC.

RR can coach offense, but he hasn't had a solid defense since his West Virginia days.
 

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Schiano is the best fit for what we need IMO. But whoever it is, they need to have had success at a high level and have name recognition.

The Buffalo coach is very good, but not enough juice to survive here.
 
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Schiano is the best fit for what we need IMO. But whoever it is, they need to have had success at a high level and have name recognition.

The Buffalo coach is very good, but not enough juice to survive here.
Based purely on intuition, I think Leipold would be terrible here.
JMO
 

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Based purely on intuition, I think Leipold would be terrible here.
JMO

I agree. He would be under fire from the moment he walks in. You need someone with some cache in order to weather that storm.
 

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Zero pressure in Buffalo.
All credit to him he found a game changing
6-8 QB.
I don't think he would be a great fit either at this time, but there really isn't much pressure here at Rutgers relative to a lot of P5 college football programs. Aside from a few on this board, the fans are not very demanding. They basically want the team to be competitive, Schiano is a god to many fans and he never won an outright conference championships or took us to a major bowl. He just fielded competitive teams that were also entertaining. Moving to the SEC, Texas, Oklahoma, USC, UCLA, etc. that is real pressure. I would like to see Leipold be successful with his next class once the QB graduates before I would seriously consider him for Rutgers.
 

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How about the guy responsible for our entry into the B1G, stadium expansion, bowl games streak, upsets of top 10 teams, ranked 12th in 2006 and the reason we watched NFL level players here for years.

No good?

Bob Mulcahy?
 

zappaa

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I don't think he would be a great fit either at this time, but there really isn't much pressure here at Rutgers relative to a lot of P5 college football programs. Aside from a few on this board, the fans are not very demanding. They basically want the team to be competitive, Schiano is a god to many fans and he never won an outright conference championships or took us to a major bowl. He just fielded competitive teams that were also entertaining. Moving to the SEC, Texas, Oklahoma, USC, UCLA, etc. that is real pressure. I would like to see Leipold be successful with his next class once the QB graduates before I would seriously consider him for Rutgers.
Relative to those programs I agree.
But all of those schools have instant recruiting credibility... we don’t.
Yet, we’re supposed to compete on that level.

This job is unique given the talent that lies in a 100 mile circle around a B1G Ten university, and we can’t get any of it.

While our fan base is small, they’ve finally had it. We’re looking at an embarrassing ghost town game day atmosphere.

You better get a guy with juice.
There’s only one guy I know with enough arrogance and juice to pull it off immediately
 
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Relative to those programs I agree.
But all of those schools have instant recruiting credibility... we don’t.
Yet, we’re supposed to compete on that level.

This job is unique given the talent that lies in a 100 mile circle around a B1G Ten university, and we can’t get any of it.

While our fan base is small, they’ve finally had it. We’re looking at an embarrassing ghost town game day atmosphere.

You better get a guy with juice.
There’s only one guy I know with enough arrogance and juice to pull it off immediately

it makes zero sense to hire anyone but schiano because anyone else is going to be a huge risk. hiring schiano and playing a huge buyout makes sense, since the guy has done it here before. but schiano is going to want to get PAID. if we're not going to hire schiano, we're better off sticking with what we have.
 

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Relative to those programs I agree.
But all of those schools have instant recruiting credibility... we don’t.
Yet, we’re supposed to compete on that level.

This job is unique given the talent that lies in a 100 mile circle around a B1G Ten university, and we can’t get any of it.

While our fan base is small, they’ve finally had it. We’re looking at an embarrassing ghost town game day atmosphere.

You better get a guy with juice.
There’s only one guy I know with enough arrogance and juice to pull it off immediately
The other thing is if you bring in Schiano he can keep McNulty so we don't have another OC.
 

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it makes zero sense to hire anyone but schiano because anyone else is going to be a huge risk. hiring schiano and playing a huge buyout makes sense, since the guy has done it here before. but schiano is going to want to get PAID. if we're not going to hire schiano, we're better off sticking with what we have.
Although Schiano makes the most sense IMO, there are others. But I don't know if they would come here or if we can afford them.
 
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zappaa

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And only went 109-6 in 8 seasons. In his first 5 seasons, from 2007-11, he went 72-3 and 4 Div III championships. Meanwhile, Greg, in his 7th-11th seasons, went 38-26. Yeah, different level of play, but Leipold's record speaks for itself.
You need juice and stain Shifty.
This place isn’t The Dakota’s or Buffalo.

I love he’s a winner, but I don’t see enough personality.

#finishwhatistarted
#finishthejob
 

Knight Shift

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You need juice and stain Shifty.
This place isn’t The Dakota’s or Buffalo.

I love he’s a winner, but I don’t see enough personality
I agree, but Greg may not have the juice and the stain he had during his first tour. His defense has been underwhelming this year with all of that talent. Also, the track record of 2.0 coaching tenures (Petrino, Edsall) is concerning. I respect everything Greg did here on his first go round. But it was a different time, a different AD and a different conference. Even so, if that is who Rutgers decides on, I will not be against the hire. I would just like to see Rutgers cast a wide net.
 
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I agree, but Greg may not have the juice and the stain he had during his first tour. His defense has been underwhelming this year with all of that talent. Also, the track record of 2.0 coaching tenures (Petrino, Edsall) is concerning. I respect everything Greg did here on his first go round. But it was a different time, a different AD and a different conference. Even so, if that is who Rutgers decides on, I will not be against the hire. I would just like to see Rutgers cast a wide net.
I had forgot about Edsall. You reminded me...just mentioned the same thing in another post. I can't think of a coach who did as well or better in the 2nd go around as the first go around at the same place. It's either worse or way worse.

Petrino/Snyder did okay record wise but not as good as their first stints and one got run out and the other on the verge of it. Same worse or really worse results for Joe Gibbs, Art Shell, Gruden currently (although still early) and Edsall.

Mike Riley at Oregon State maybe is the only one but he didn't really have a "tenure" the first go around as he was there just 2 years before he left.
 

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I had forgot about Edsall. You reminded me...just mentioned the same thing in another post. I can't think of a coach who did as well or better in the 2nd go around as the first go around at the same place. It's either worse or way worse.

Petrino/Snyder did okay record wise but not as good as their first stints and one got run out and the other on the verge of it. Same worse or really worse results for Joe Gibbs, Art Shell, Gruden currently (although still early) and Edsall.

Mike Riley at Oregon State maybe is the only one but he didn't really have a "tenure" the first go around as he was there just 2 years before he left.
I think citing the examples of failed returns is fair, but did any of these situations involve a complete deterioration in recruiting and fan support like Rutgers does?

Schiano doesn’t have to come back and compete for the B1G East to be a success. If Schiano gets us back to being a decent team with good recruiting, and in 4-5 years he leaves and we get a chance to redo the Flood hire with a full B1G share, that is still a success.
 
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I think citing the examples of failed returns is fair, but did any of these situations involve a complete deterioration in recruiting and fan support like Rutgers does?

Schiano doesn’t have to come back and compete for the B1G East to be a success. If Schiano gets us back to being a decent team with good recruiting, and in 4-5 years he leaves and we get a chance to redo the Flood hire with a full B1G share, that is still a success.
Forget about competing for B10 success I'm not sure he'd get the same records as before even. Everyone of those coaches I mentioned did worse their 2nd go around compared to the first even the ones whose 2nd go around record wasn't bad. Not one did the same let alone better.

Petrino/Snyder had okay overall records the 2nd time around and some success but not like their first. One has been fired and the other is on the verge of it. Same for Gibbs. Shell/Gruden/Edsall have or did completely bomb.

Schiano's record in conference in his last handful of years was about .500 take worse than that and where are we?

I think people get caught up in the B10 status/money he'll have but forget about the other schools in conference/division that have the same or more B10 status/money. It's not B10 riches with BE competition....things don't operate in a vacuum.
 
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I think citing the examples of failed returns is fair, but did any of these situations involve a complete deterioration in recruiting and fan support like Rutgers does?

Schiano doesn’t have to come back and compete for the B1G East to be a success. If Schiano gets us back to being a decent team with good recruiting, and in 4-5 years he leaves and we get a chance to redo the Flood hire with a full B1G share, that is still a success.
That sounds like an argument that we should be nearly throwing in the towel to slow, but not stop the bleeding. That's basically what RU did when they hired Flood. And I am not comparing Flood and Schiano.

If Rutgers is going to go for it and fire Ash, then go all the way at the next step.
 

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Based purely on intuition, I think Leipold would be terrible here.
JMO
hes getting all the props due to the QB..Buffalo failed its biggest test when it lost to a solid Indy team..Army.
If you want the Buffalo longshot coach,It would be better to take Monken who has done more with less.
And yes he can coach without running triple option.