Can Mulcahey Cliff Caleb (assuming a return) and Hyatt average 10 plus points apiece?
I would say yes- with Hyatt and Cliff leading the way.
I would say yes- with Hyatt and Cliff leading the way.
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Of course Hyatt can score 10 ppg. The question is how many shots he needs to take to get there, how many turnovers he has, and how he defends.
Hammond (12 to 13 PPG) or another guard, Cliff (14PPG) and Hyatt or Caleb can get you a combined 45 PPG.
For RU to be a NCAA team for a 4th consecutive year, you just need the natural progression from Mulcahy getting to 10 to 12PPG. Then fill in the rest to get to something at or above 70PPG.
Hammond or guard TBD (12 PPG)
Cliff (14PPG)
Mulcahy (11PPG)
Caleb (8PPG)
Hyatt or starting SF (11PPG)
You need to find 14 to 20PPG from the combination of Simpson, Miller, Mag, Reiber and TBD 4/5 . I am not sure Woolfork plays as a true frosh if we get a 4,/5 via the portal.
My guess on the bench points would look like this, but is obviously dependent on who actually plays defense and earns minutes.
Mag 7 PPG
Simpson 5 to 6 PPG (unless he is the 3rd guard, meaning no return by Caleb, if so, he jumps up to 9 to 10PPG)
Reiber 4 to 5PPG
TBD 4/5 ....5PPG.
Wild card is Miller and can he make strides this summer to compliment Simpson. I can see why Pike would want 2 guards via the portal, but that is Caleb or RHJ dependent. If both RHJ and Caleb return, you only need 1 guard via the portal, 2 if you plan on playing Mulcahy more at the wing.
For RU to be a NCAA team for a 4th consecutive year, you just need the natural progression from Mulcahy getting to 10 to 12PPG. Then fill in the rest to get to something at or above 70PPG.
Hammond or guard TBD (12 PPG)
Cliff (14PPG)
Mulcahy (11PPG)
Caleb (8PPG)
Hyatt or starting SF (11PPG)
You need to find 14 to 20PPG from the combination of Simpson, Miller, Mag, Reiber and TBD 4/5 . I am not sure Woolfork plays as a true frosh if we get a 4,/5 via the portal.
My guess on the bench points would look like this, but is obviously dependent on who actually plays defense and earns minutes.
Mag 7 PPG
Simpson 5 to 6 PPG (unless he is the 3rd guard, meaning no return by Caleb, if so, he jumps up to 9 to 10PPG)
Reiber 4 to 5PPG
TBD 4/5 ....5PPG.
Wild card is Miller and can he make strides this summer to compliment Simpson. I can see why Pike would want 2 guards via the portal, but that is Caleb or RHJ dependent. If both RHJ and Caleb return, you only need 1 guard via the portal, 2 if you plan on playing Mulcahy more at the wing.
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OMG why are people still talking about RHJ possibly returning?
Problem next year will be same as last year which was way too many turnovers and lack of an efficient offense outside of high ball screen pnr with Cliff. This team turned it over an f ton. It’s not a big deal if you can score efficiently though which is why the next bullet point is very important
-Cliff will dominate again, and as such he will make sure Paul is very efficient as a half court scorer.
Hyatt will continue to get into the paint, but hopefully he can finish this season.
I am nervous about seeing natural progression from the rest of the team outside of Cliff. There’s probably a chance to see regression actually.
Paul turns the ball over an awful lot and without cliff those assist numbers would be way way down and now there’s little other outside option - so to no fault of Pauls he probably will not have a supporting cast to help him. We’ve probably seen Pauls best basketball the last 10 games of last season.
We won’t be able to replace Ron’s production but there’s no reason but everything else seems solvable.
-Cliff will dominate again, and as such he will make sure Paul is very efficient as a half court scorer.
Hyatt will continue to get into the paint, but hopefully he can finish this season.
I am nervous about seeing natural progression from the rest of the team outside of Cliff. There’s probably a chance to see regression actually.
Paul turns the ball over an awful lot and without cliff those assist numbers would be way way down and now there’s little other outside option - so to no fault of Pauls he probably will not have a supporting cast to help him. We’ve probably seen Pauls best basketball the last 10 games of last season.
We won’t be able to replace Ron’s production but there’s no reason but everything else seems solvable.
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I think folks are understating what Hyatt can do - he is able to be effective from the arc as well as the paint.
He may just need minutes to get on a rythm
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He may just need minutes to get on a rythm
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Listen I’m hoping for the best, but Hyatt was inefficient offensively every way you slice it - FG%, 3P%, FT%. He also turned it over a lot. That was also his 4th year in college. Expecting him to be a good offensive player next year is a recipe for disappointment.
Replacing RHJ’s production doesn’t seem to be a focus. Pike is probably expecting Caleb back and thinks that between him and some combination of Hyatt, Mag and Dean to choose from playing alongside Cliff, we’re going to be able to hold our own up front. Paul plays big for a guard too.
it’s the backcourt he’s looking to enhance. He wants at least one shooter who can also defend.
Whatever position you want to go after to replace Ron’s offense is fine just not sure they’ll be able to. Everyone else they can replace most likely
Returning scoring and minutes:
11.9 pts / 28.7 min - Omoruyi
9.0 pts / 32.3 min - Mulcahy
7.1 pts / 29.1 min - McConnell
4.3 pts / 12.8 min - Hyatt
2.9 pts / 11.7 min - Mag
2.9 pts / 7.5 min - Reiber
1.5 pts / 6.0 min - Palmquist
0.6 pts / 7.7 min - Miller
We're not going to see a big uptick in points for Omoruyi/Mulcahy/McConnell, imo - maybe an extra 2-3 pts/game. They're already playing starter minutes - they'd need to become more efficient, or take a larger share of shots to get more points.
Hyatt has the biggest potential to uptick, imo - if he can get his turnovers under control, his scoring would go up to 10+ per game with starter minutes. Mag/Reiber would also see increased scoring with increased minutes - and no idea what we'll get out of Palmquist/Miller.
Most of the additional scoring we'll see next year will likely come from guys who haven't yet played in Scarlet Knights uniforms.
11.9 pts / 28.7 min - Omoruyi
9.0 pts / 32.3 min - Mulcahy
7.1 pts / 29.1 min - McConnell
4.3 pts / 12.8 min - Hyatt
2.9 pts / 11.7 min - Mag
2.9 pts / 7.5 min - Reiber
1.5 pts / 6.0 min - Palmquist
0.6 pts / 7.7 min - Miller
We're not going to see a big uptick in points for Omoruyi/Mulcahy/McConnell, imo - maybe an extra 2-3 pts/game. They're already playing starter minutes - they'd need to become more efficient, or take a larger share of shots to get more points.
Hyatt has the biggest potential to uptick, imo - if he can get his turnovers under control, his scoring would go up to 10+ per game with starter minutes. Mag/Reiber would also see increased scoring with increased minutes - and no idea what we'll get out of Palmquist/Miller.
Most of the additional scoring we'll see next year will likely come from guys who haven't yet played in Scarlet Knights uniforms.
Hyatt get his turnovers under control? What are you talking about? He didn’t stand out on this team with turnover problem.
Agreed. If we get 10 points a game from transfers plus returning players improvement, we will be fine.
Banking that he finally puts it all together is wishful thinking. He was the age of a true senior last year and looked lost offensively.
100%. People just can’t put their bias aside and evaluate him properly. It’s crazy.
Hyatt is a 26% three point shooter in three seasons. It's not that it's impossible for him to shoot 35% next season but there's no reason to expect it.
He definitely had a down year this year compared to his last year at LSU, specifically looking at his 2P%, FT%, and turnovers. Hopefully that was just getting acclimated to a new program. He's never been a very good three point shooter, and I don't expect that to suddenly change. With 25 minutes a game, I'd expect him to be scoring around 10 points or so.
A lot will depend on who is around him, and whether he can develop offense away from the rim. He's already very efficient with the basketball and is averaging close to 30 min/g. To increase from 11.9 pts/g to 17 would mean he'd need about an extra 5 or so shots per game in roughly the same minutes.... or his minutes would need to jump up into the mid-30s/g.
Usually when you see big jumps in pts/g, it comes along with a big increase in minutes. Going from 12 to 17 points per game is a 40% increase in production in roughly the same number of minutes.
Great points.
It’s not just a matter of scoring an additional 2-3 baskets a game. Have to also consider to additional “misses” in the usage of a player.
I just compare to RHJ.
Hard to see Clif scoring more than RHJ did with how varied RHJ could score.
Hyatt's offense was terrible last season but his D got much better as the year went on. I hope he can be good offensively but he hasn't shown it as he is going into his 5th college season.(Reclassed and Redshirted first year).
It was - but the prior season with LSU it was much better (.532 TS%, .506 eFG%... and 3.1 tov/100 possessions, double what he'd seen at LSU). I'm hoping the dip this year was based on getting acclimated to a new system, and that he'll be more effective next year.
Hyatt can score 10ppg and get a good amount of rebounds. What worries me is his defense and handle. He appears to turn the ball over a lot for the amount of touches he gets. I’m going off what I watch, not his stats. Maybe I’m completely wrong.
He averaged just 1.5 turnovers per 100 possessions at LSU, and 3.1 per 100 here. I'm really hoping it was just not being fully comfortable within a new system yet.
I'm rooting hard for him just not counting on him to produce anything but below average or average play. Hope he can take a big jump up in play and be a difference maker for us.
Player progression and more shots for him next year with the departure of geo and Ron. An extra 3-5 points isn’t an insane ask.
Safe to say there’s zero shot caleb averages 14 points next year. Love Caleb buy ND was an aberration not the norm.
The big question is whether he can develop his game when getting the ball 8-10 feet from the basket, rather than in deep position - and whether we have perimeter shooters that can limit double teams. If we don't replace Baker/Harper with threats from the arc, defenses will just collapse on him in the post.
He absolutely needs to develop more of an offensive game to create his own points. Based on his jump from year 1 to year 2 and his background as a player (top recruit with crazy athleticism) I expect to see progress in that area.
Update:
18.9 pts / 36.9 min - Spencer (at Loyola-Marymount)
11.9 pts / 28.7 min - Omoruyi
9.0 pts / 32.3 min - Mulcahy
7.1 pts / 29.1 min - McConnell
4.3 pts / 12.8 min - Hyatt
2.9 pts / 11.7 min - Mag
2.9 pts / 7.5 min - Reiber
1.5 pts / 6.0 min - Palmquist
0.6 pts / 7.7 min - Miller
TBD - Simpson
TBD - Woolfolk
TBD - TBD
TBD TBD
18.9 pts / 36.9 min - Spencer (at Loyola-Marymount)
11.9 pts / 28.7 min - Omoruyi
9.0 pts / 32.3 min - Mulcahy
7.1 pts / 29.1 min - McConnell
4.3 pts / 12.8 min - Hyatt
2.9 pts / 11.7 min - Mag
2.9 pts / 7.5 min - Reiber
1.5 pts / 6.0 min - Palmquist
0.6 pts / 7.7 min - Miller
TBD - Simpson
TBD - Woolfolk
TBD - TBD
TBD TBD
This reminds me of a friend's response when I asked if he could come out and play.
I'm not going out...and you're not coming in!
Do we know WHY Jones isn't coming back or is this just a best guess?
MO
Why? Probably bc he had DNP coach's decision game after game after game after game
Every report from every source says he's not coming back. Time to move on