You can drive and bring your weapons with you.... I'll put you down like a baby fawn clown
Recruiting at the root
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Please tell me who you think is coming here and doing a better job. I don't get people that want to run Pike out of town after doing the job that he's done
The best ideas any of the anti-Pike people have had are to fire him and hire:
- The guy from Oklahoma State who has not done any better than he has
- Rick ******* Pitino, which is obviously not happening
Pike's recruiting started off great. Guess what? He hasn't landed anyone since Cliff. That was the start of the pandemic.
Well yes, but I don't actually possess the technology to do that, sorry to disappoint you.
And just as a sidenote, when someone says obviously impossible things like "shot into the sun" as opposed to more realistic violent actions that is supposed to reinforce the tongue-in-cheek nature of the thought. I don't literally support violent action against you to rid us of your terrible posting.
Jaden Jones committed before Cliff.
Try again. He's the class after, but committed before.
Did it? Who were the great recruits pre Cliff? Our recruiting classes were ranked near the bottom of the Big Ten every year except Cliff's year.
You tell me... What's his average points per game and will he will he be on the team come August
The Harper class was a solid class.
Harper was a four star.
Mathis was a four star.
Shaq Carter was a solid sought after Juco.
and Caleb was a nice late addition. Underrecruited yes, but he was the fourth guy in the class.
I believe Jacob Young also sat out their freshman year too (transfer). I'm not positive, so correct me if I'm wrong.
So yeah, it was definitely better than what has gone in since Cliff committed. Also, the first year Pike was here, he brought in CJ Gettys as a grad transfer at the center position. I seriously can't believe our depth at the 5 position this year. Frankly, that's unacceptable.
A freshman that doesn't play much? I for one am shocked. He'll be here and have plenty of minutes available next season
That class (2018) was #51 national / #10 B1G by TOS
2017 #63 / #10
2018 #51 / #10
2019 #126 / #13
2020 #32 / #4
2021 #98 / #13
2022 #73 / #11 (not complete)
Eh.
There's no real trend here. I get that people were hoping the 2020 jump would last but it's hard to argue we've brought in significantly less talent 2020-22 than 2017-19.
Rivals doesn't provide class rankings as readily but yes I'll grant 2018 being fairly solid.
I know.
The point I was making was Pike was bringing in impact players. I’m also not 100% sure when he came in, but it was around that time.
The positive for Pike is he will have minutes to offer. Someone(s) has to step into Ron and Geo’s minutes. It’s possible lack of minutes to offer has held back recruiting
You can go by class rankings all you want, but that really doesn’t tell the whole picture. That 2020 class is ranked 32, but it’s rated that high because of 1 massive impact player. Qualitatively it’s undeniable that recruiting has been pretty weak since we landed Cliff. I’m not bashing Pike, but this is why we’re in the position we’re in. Our roster has holes. Most teams have holes on their roster. That’s okay, but ours are currently hurting us in a massive way, and they will be even bigger next season if we don’t have a great off season. Pike has pulled it off before. I think he can do it again.
I think you're misunderstanding my argument though.
I'm not saying the recruiting, as measured by recruiting services, has been good since Cliff. I'm saying that for the most part it wasn't good (again, as measured by recruiting services) before Cliff either.
So if you believe that whatever process allowed Pike to put together the 2019-20 team is repeatable then there's no particular reason to panic about our current recruiting, even if we do acknowledge that we'd all like to have more Cliff-level recruits.
Also, I agree class rankings aren't the best but I'm not really in the mood to dig in in more detail at the moment. That said, I have done in the past and I think the conclusion was that even minus Geo and Ron next year we will have a comparable level of "talent" (where again we are measuring "talent" as where a player is rated coming out of HS) on the team next year to what we had in 19-20.
Reiber has developed into a player who would come off the bench for plenty of teams.
Palmquist we'll see after continued development. Not everyone sees the floor for major minutes on every team
Miller is a defensive sparkplug which every team needs and again continued development (which Pike has delivered in spades) will be key
Agee has been a great teammate/locker room guy but I agree there the play hasn't been up to snuff. Got some good minutes in a few games but well worth taking a flyer on him considering it was a one year commitment
So much tougher to ”close deals” when Pike runs a clean program. We don’t have “bag” men like so many programs do. Put Pike on an equal playing field and I like our chances
So silly to make a prediction now about our team next year or anyone else for that matter. Have to see who comes back, what the portal brings, how the newcomers play. Let it play out. If we bomb next year then by all means then would be the time to question Pike.
I love Pyke
He has done the unimaginable in a very short time here
He has made us relevant
He is the right man for the job
Pyke will have to evolve as a coach in my opinion beyond what he is now to continue with the success that we have had over the last three years
He is stubbornly focused only on the defensive side of the ball
Look no further then Jalen Miller
He gets minutes even though it is as if we are playing 4v5 on offense
Pyke will have to recognize the importance of having a few well rounded offensive players
He needs to embrace the 3 more
We shut down Jonny Davis yesterday
We played great defense
If we had a few more reliable scorers
Consistent scorers
We win easily
We lose are two most well rounded offensive players after this year
Pyke better find some or we take a big step back
He has done the unimaginable in a very short time here
He has made us relevant
He is the right man for the job
Pyke will have to evolve as a coach in my opinion beyond what he is now to continue with the success that we have had over the last three years
He is stubbornly focused only on the defensive side of the ball
Look no further then Jalen Miller
He gets minutes even though it is as if we are playing 4v5 on offense
Pyke will have to recognize the importance of having a few well rounded offensive players
He needs to embrace the 3 more
We shut down Jonny Davis yesterday
We played great defense
If we had a few more reliable scorers
Consistent scorers
We win easily
We lose are two most well rounded offensive players after this year
Pyke better find some or we take a big step back
I love Pyke
Our two most well rounded offensive players are 4-29 from 3 the last 3 games.
I'm not misunderstanding your argument at all. You're saying recruiting was not good to begin with and that's simply false. Again, Pike brought in Harper, Mathis, McConnall, and Shaq Carter all in the same class. He also brought in transfers such as Yeboah and Jacob Young for that 2019-2020 team.
You can post the recruiting rankings all you want, but those things are flawed. The sample size is too small. Recruiting has dropped off massively. Since Cliff, he has not brought in an impact player or anyone who deserves starting minutes. Qualitatively, that's not difficult to figure out. You can lie to yourself and say otherwise, but this really isn't a debate.
The games Dean has played significant minutes he has performed nicely. I still think he can develop. Miller is a player every team needs defensively, will his offensive game come thru? Who knows.
Jalen Miller is Rudy. Useless hustle player. Pray he transfers with Palmquist and stops stealing a B1G schollie. We need offense, I refuse to see his value over Jaden Jones.
I agree the recruiting rankings are flawed, but if you aren’t relying on them then what are you using to decide that our 2022 recruits aren’t good enough? The only post-Cliff commit who is actually here is Jalen Miller, and for a freshman he seems perfectly fine.
Palm has been in the program for 3 years. He hasn’t developed into a player who can play significant minutes. Time is up. Show him the door. Miller can go to. This is the B1G. There is no spot for a player with his extremely limited skill set. It’s 4 on 5 offensively with him in the game. Reiber also looks like a mid major talent at best. This is the B1G.
The entire supporting class with Cliff is also nothing special.
2022 does not have enough teeth on it either. I’m done discussing this. It’s not difficult to figure recruiting has not been good enough
How do you know? You just got done telling me I shouldn't look at Caleb McConnell's recruiting rankings. So why should I put any stock in the rankings of our 2022 class? You are not self-consistent.
Jones is a unknown player until he proves that he can perform in a power conference.Coach Pikiell obviously doesn't think he was ready this season which is alarming with the lack of scoring from the bench.
That is what you say when you do not land the top recruits.