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eyesofhawk

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Really hoping this is the room that turns around our passing game. We've waited so long for a functional pass, Iowa fans deserve an improvement.

Pass the ball!
To actually say Iowa fans deserve an improved passing game, requires one to make a huge leap in overall reasoning.

First, one has to show that an improved passing game would actually lead to more wins.

Because, if it's going to be argued that fans deserve anything at all, it has to be wins. Fans don't ever deserve to be more entertained, because the players and coaches aren't playing for the purpose of entertaining fans.

Or, of course, you could be admitting that you have the same wrong priorities that have led to the football program being wrongfully criticized for years. It wouldn’t be the first time you've done so, without even knowing.

It's not necessarily easy to establish that an improved passing game will result in more wins. Certainly, the correlation isn't as strong as fans believe it to be. For decades, Iowa has won about the same number of games per year, regardless of how good their passing game has been.

Secondly, you would also have to establish that Iowa football fans deserve more winning.

To me, I don’t see how Iowa fans have been anything but blessed, for a long, long time.

Certainly, no conversation about Iowa winning more, as a program, is at all legitimate without KF having brought the program to its current level.

I guess it's possible for coaches to, at times, end up being a victim of their own success.

But that's nothing close to establishing that Iowa fans "deserve" more winning
 

iahawkeyes17

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To actually say Iowa fans deserve an improved passing game, requires one to make a huge leap in overall reasoning.

First, one has to show that an improved passing game would actually lead to more wins.

Because, if it's going to be argued that fans deserve anything at all, it has to be wins. Fans don't ever deserve to be more entertained, because the players and coaches aren't playing for the purpose of entertaining fans.

Or, of course, you could be admitting that you have the same wrong priorities that have led to the football program being wrongfully criticized for years. It wouldn’t be the first time you've done so, without even knowing.

It's not necessarily easy to establish that an improved passing game will result in more wins. Certainly, the correlation isn't as strong as fans believe it to be. For decades, Iowa has won about the same number of games per year, regardless of how good their passing game has been.

Secondly, you would also have to establish that Iowa football fans deserve more winning.

To me, I don’t see how Iowa fans have been anything but blessed, for a long, long time.

Certainly, no conversation about Iowa winning more, as a program, is at all legitimate without KF having brought the program to its current level.

I guess it's possible for coaches to, at times, end up being a victim of their own success.

But that's nothing close to establishing that Iowa fans "deserve" more winning
That is one of the dumbest things I’ve read on this site and that is saying something. Congrats….
 

Outbackbowl2017

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To actually say Iowa fans deserve an improved passing game, requires one to make a huge leap in overall reasoning.

First, one has to show that an improved passing game would actually lead to more wins.

Because, if it's going to be argued that fans deserve anything at all, it has to be wins. Fans don't ever deserve to be more entertained, because the players and coaches aren't playing for the purpose of entertaining fans.

Or, of course, you could be admitting that you have the same wrong priorities that have led to the football program being wrongfully criticized for years. It wouldn’t be the first time you've done so, without even knowing.

It's not necessarily easy to establish that an improved passing game will result in more wins. Certainly, the correlation isn't as strong as fans believe it to be. For decades, Iowa has won about the same number of games per year, regardless of how good their passing game has been.

Secondly, you would also have to establish that Iowa football fans deserve more winning.

To me, I don’t see how Iowa fans have been anything but blessed, for a long, long time.

Certainly, no conversation about Iowa winning more, as a program, is at all legitimate without KF having brought the program to its current level.

I guess it's possible for coaches to, at times, end up being a victim of their own success.

But that's nothing close to establishing that Iowa fans "deserve" more winning
What don’t you understand about players wanting to play in a system that shows off their skills and abilities to go make millions at the next level, you know, the NFL? If Iowa’s passing game is crap to wide receivers, that is going to affect recruiting in all the other areas….qb, rb, offensive line, tight end as well. Top level talent in each room won’t be maxed out with the best Iowa can get. Iowa gets good players but the great players want to play in systems that stretch the field and use their athletic abilities to maximum potential. Look at Iowa losing out to Missouri for that 4 star out of TN. He went there due to NIL and their offensive scheme with wide receiver play and focus. That’s an afterthought at Iowa or perception, which leads to close but no cigar when it comes to top level wr recruits. Change that narrative and all things change for Iowa in all things on the offensive side of the ball.

Iowa could have been Indiana a few short years ago with those three years of top level defenses but they didn’t have the offenses to compete for a national championship. Why? Because KF didn’t and still doesn’t look at the offense like Curt Cignetti does. You put CC with Phil Parker and Iowa is in the play offs, potentially playing for a national championship during those years.
 

eyesofhawk

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What don’t you understand about players wanting to play in a system that shows off their skills and abilities to go make millions at the next level, you know, the NFL? If Iowa’s passing game is crap to wide receivers, that is going to affect recruiting in all the other areas….qb, rb, offensive line, tight end as well. Top level talent in each room won’t be maxed out with the best Iowa can get. Iowa gets good players but the great players want to play in systems that stretch the field and use their athletic abilities to maximum potential. Look at Iowa losing out to Missouri for that 4 star out of TN. He went there due to NIL and their offensive scheme with wide receiver play and focus. That’s an afterthought at Iowa or perception, which leads to close but no cigar when it comes to top level wr recruits. Change that narrative and all things change for Iowa in all things on the offensive side of the ball.

Iowa could have been Indiana a few short years ago with those three years of top level defenses but they didn’t have the offenses to compete for a national championship. Why? Because KF didn’t and still doesn’t look at the offense like Curt Cignetti does. You put CC with Phil Parker and Iowa is in the play offs, potentially playing for a national championship during those years.
I don't necessarily agree with all this.

But what don't you understand about it having nothing to do with my post?
 

iahawkeyes17

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What's dumb about it??
If you can’t figure it out that’s on you. And to save you time and energy what ever response you write (which god knows you will because you can’t not have the last word) it will do nothing to change mine or anyone else’s opinion rather do what it always does solidify one’s stance against yours.

but go ahead and type away and try again to derail another thread. Good day
 

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If you can’t figure it out that’s on you. And to save you time and energy what ever response you write (which god knows you will because you can’t not have the last word) it will do nothing to change mine or anyone else’s opinion rather do what it always does solidify one’s stance against yours.

but go ahead and type away and try again to derail another thread. Good day
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85Bears

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What don’t you understand about players wanting to play in a system that shows off their skills and abilities to go make millions at the next level, you know, the NFL? If Iowa’s passing game is crap to wide receivers, that is going to affect recruiting in all the other areas….qb, rb, offensive line, tight end as well. Top level talent in each room won’t be maxed out with the best Iowa can get. Iowa gets good players but the great players want to play in systems that stretch the field and use their athletic abilities to maximum potential. Look at Iowa losing out to Missouri for that 4 star out of TN. He went there due to NIL and their offensive scheme with wide receiver play and focus. That’s an afterthought at Iowa or perception, which leads to close but no cigar when it comes to top level wr recruits. Change that narrative and all things change for Iowa in all things on the offensive side of the ball.

Iowa could have been Indiana a few short years ago with those three years of top level defenses but they didn’t have the offenses to compete for a national championship. Why? Because KF didn’t and still doesn’t look at the offense like Curt Cignetti does. You put CC with Phil Parker and Iowa is in the play offs, potentially playing for a national championship during those years.
Oh FFS, an undefeated national Championship Is the only standard KF cn be judged against ? Lol, piss off. by that standard every coach in the nation for the last fifty years is a failure.

Iowa is one of four programs to win 8+ over the last decade along with Bama, Georgia and Ohio State. And we get garbage posts like this.
 

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Oh FFS, an undefeated national Championship Is the only standard KF cn be judged against ? Lol, piss off. by that standard every coach in the nation for the last fifty years is a failure.

Iowa is one of four programs to win 8+ over the last decade along with Bama, Georgia and Ohio State. And we get garbage posts like this.
How about a playoff appearance? Is that too much to ask of Kirk
 
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Oh FFS, an undefeated national Championship Is the only standard KF cn be judged against ? Lol, piss off. by that standard every coach in the nation for the last fifty years is a failure.

Iowa is one of four programs to win 8+ over the last decade along with Bama, Georgia and Ohio State. And we get garbage posts like this.
It really just depends on what you want.

Do you want 8 wins a season with the occasional scheduling break to get you to that 10 win plateau with most seasons leaving you competitive with but always falling short against the top tier teams?.................Is that enough to perpetually satisfy the common paying fan?

Or do you wanna be Indiana pre-Curt Cignetti?.........Or do you want to be Indiana with Curt Cignetti?

Iowa hasn't won a conference title in 22 years. That's now longer than the drought between the dark ages of the 60s-70s and Hayden. We haven't actually been competitive in a meaningful game FOR a B10 title in 11 years (2015).

But hey, as long as we can reel in all the top recruits winning 8 games a year and say we're doing the same thing as Alabam, Ohio State and Georgia then by golly if that's good enough for a couple middle-aged and/or senior citizens amongst our fanbase, then that should be good enough for everyone! 😃😃😃

It's all about what you want........

Friends? 😃
 
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That's the sole reason college football exists my man. Entertainment pays the bills. Take fans and TV away and watch how quickly it ceases to exist.
Well I mean, it wouldn't cease to exist. It'd just go the way of NAIA, JUCO, D3, etc etc which is just glorified HS football and a babysitter for misfit athletes.

The rest of the talent (because the NFL will still exist) will just break off into a thousand different money grab leagues trying to get rich off of these 18-22 yr olds instead of it being under one roof that allegedly takes advantage of them................................

Think of the trash spinoff leagues like the Big 3 and Unrivaled and some of the other mindless dogsh** summer ball basketball leagues you might catch on a random Tuesday afternoon on ESPN2 playing in small venues with lots of flashy paints and lame-as* jersey prints and goofy lighting and excess, and no tradition behind it, no attachment to it, and no real reason to actively want to invest your time or money into it even though the people creating and running these leagues find ways to leech money out of people short term as part of their get-rich-quick schemes while operating under the guise of being the new outlet for young college-aged football talent to play and get noticed by the NFL.

That's where we go if the "college" part of major D1 college football dies.

And to be honest, I fibbed a bit earlier when I said the NFL will continue to exist. Sure it won't die like college athletics.........but their product will suffer massively, and if we're being candid, they already are seeing the effects of that in the current product with how many "unpolished" players are coming into the league needing to be "coached up". That's why NFL coaches love Iowa guys so much.

I don't think the NFL will do a gotdam thing to help save CFB from itself, and yet they absolutely will suffer the consequences as a direct result of CFB collapsing............

Just sayin.
 
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Indiana is the first and Only team since 1894 with 16-0 NC , every other coach in history is a failure in comparison. Nice garbage argument. Iowa is a state of 3 million and not a blue blood. Donate a few million to nil bub
Apparently, Alabama's extra 2 million people makes a huge difference in how successful they are in college football........................


"Well but they're a blue blood"

So was Nebraska...............
 

85Bears

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Apparently, Alabama's extra 2 million people makes a huge difference in how successful they are in college football........................


"Well but they're a blue blood"

So was Nebraska...............
Alabama is a blue blood and historically paid players huge amounts illegally. So yea Iowa and bama are not an even playing field.
 

85Bears

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Yes, you could put Iowa in that group based solely on that one fact. It won’t stop the majority of the nation from laughing at you for trying to put Iowa on those other teams level.
It’s a mathematical level Iowa has achieved, it doesn’t mean Iowa has won a NC or is a blue blood. it does mean Iowa is a solid consistent winning program , more so than all but three teams Over a decade. I don’t scoff at 9 wins, again, Iowa could go years without winning nine once KF hangs it up.
 

AlexanderUrinis

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Indiana is the first and Only team since 1894 with 16-0 NC , every other coach in history is a failure in comparison. Nice garbage argument. Iowa is a state of 3 million and not a blue blood. Donate a few million to nil bub
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AlexanderUrinis

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Again, just make a 12 team playoff. Iowa would’ve made it zero times since 2016.
It's like these people are scared to see Iowa play modern football. They can’t break my heart if they play by the same rules we had before NIL (and the forward pass).

I am not a KF hater. I do hate the "we are Iowa, we cannot compete" BS.

The rules have all changed, let's have some faith that Iowa can figure out how to compete with the big boys.
 

85Bears

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playoffs were four teams until 24-25.

oh the horror, we weren’t a top four team since 2016. Iowa hasn’t been a top four team in 66 years.

Indiana put together the best season since 1894. Every other program in history is a failure in comparison if that’s your standard.
 

ChicagoHawk2020

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playoffs were four teams until 24-25.

oh the horror, we weren’t a top four team since 2016. Iowa hasn’t been a top four team in 66 years.

Indiana put together the best season since 1894. Every other program in history is a failure in comparison if that’s your standard.
Are you having trouble with reading comprehension? We wouldn’t have been a top 12 team since 2016.
 
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