Rebuilding and time

[Ewooc]

I have been thinking about something. We have heard since Frost was hired that this is a process and it is going to take time. After the beat down last night the eternal optimists continual preach this is a 5, 6, 7 or 8 year rebuild. Ground up they say.
So, for those way smarter than me, why does it take a place like Nebraska so long? For a program like Indiana, or Rutgers or even NW type teams, I could see it. They literally have to start from the ground up. Building better facilities, building a fan base/ support for the program, getting the right coaches, trying to build good recruiting connection. Then using those connection to build a good talent base. Then another few years to develop that talent and get a system in place.
In a place like Nebraska yes we haven't had the W-L success as we saw in the 90s, but we have huge advantage compared to many other school looking to "rebuild". We have pretty good facilities already. We have the most loyal fan base in the country. We are already able to get top 25 recruiting classes pretty consistently. We are nationally recognized as a blue blood, so we still hold at least a little recognition when trying to recruit across the country.
So what is it that should take us half a decade to get this up and running, at least to the point of not getting destroyed year 2 by Ohio St. Or letting teams like South Alabama hang with us till the end. Yes I know we hear things like, "it took 20 years to bring down it will take more than 2 to build it" again, why? What do the last 20 years of failure have to do with today's coaches or today's players? The only thing I could maybe blame on the past is S&C and player development from Riley. What the old coach did or didn't do prior to MR is irrelevant at this point. I am no coach, could 3 years of poor S&C really set a program back 5-8 years. Im not sure how poor the S&C really was. The results we are seeing would indicate there was no program in place for S&C although most of the former players say there was.

 

[Sinomatic]

I think part of the problem is a cultural confidence problem. Nebraska gets everybody's best shot from the lowest programs to the highest. And since we are a nationally recognized program its all the more incentive to grind us into bread.

The beatdowns didn't begin in the Big 10. This a long time issue. And so it, I think, has permeated Lincoln, the boosters, and social media, and I think that reaches those on campus and then the program.

At some point the team is going to just have to constantly walk around being pissed off at either wins or losses. No sad face, not jokes. Just tired of not being perfect and focus and not caring what the media, boosters, or fans say or put out there, yet still pump the program they love.

They need to do this without lashing out or growing contemptuous of the said same at the same time. That was one reason why Pelini failed in my opinion. You can't disrespect the fans at this program...even if they deserve it.

 

[Shoxsker]

Because our roster wasnt top to bottom as good as Indianas and we want it to be as good as OSU. We had far superior talent at a few positions so we won some games but top to bottom we just had a bad roster 2 years ago. Players who left, never made it to campus or were way over rated left the roster when Frost was hired at an Iowa State level of talent.

 

[CatColumbia]

What many of us forget is that Bo got lazy towards the end on the recruiting front. So from 2014 - 2018 we had low retention and very little development. That’s 4 years gone to waste. Now you have to add another 5 years to get this thing right. Many of us are tired of beat downs like last night and believe that it should not happen under a new head coach, but that’s wrong. We’re in the beginning of building this thing and expect a few more beat downs in the next two years folks. Now I do expect us to compete against everyone in our conference not named OSU, Mich and Penn St.

So to sum it up, a lazy Bo + a bad hire in Smilin Mike set our program behind approximately 10 years.

 

[Iroh]

Very good responses. Along these lines. We don’t know what we want or how to define success... as a result, we are never happy... Frost keeps saying “we are where we are” which is appropriate. Wisconsin, Iowa, etc, are similar programs to Nebraska and they have been at it for decades and still aren’t top tier... we never have been OSU or Alabama. We happened to catch lightning in a bottle in the 90s. I have read several studies that it defies all logic that we won 5 championships, but we think that was normal and should be easy... time and support for Frost will get us there. If you want to make it better, send $$$ to the athletic department and don’t publicly hack the program..

 

[BHeinDaHuskers]

If I hear people blame Bo, & Riley for this mess anymore I might just puke. Yes they left us in a huge whole but this roster has almost totally flipped and these players are Frost's. These are his coaches, and his scheme. In Nebraska we preach about personal accountability and taking responsibility for what we do.

Frost needs to talk about patience and speak about the future, instead of filling our hearts and minds with images of grandeur about players and teams of our past. We are Husker fans and most of us end up drinking the kool-aid at some point and when it doesn't happen things get really ugly.

Preach patience and how difficult things are right now but in the future things will turn. Don't ever say this is the low point because things can always get worse.

Frost said after Michigan it is the bottom. I beg to differ, there is never a bottom and nobody knows what the future holds. I believe yesterday was a lower point than last year Michigan. Having the press and coverage we had yesterday and the way the Huskers laid an egg is much lower than last year Michigan. JMO

 

[Husker Sledge]

It might take 6 years to become an elite program again but I think 4 to reach top 15-20 status. Frost has had a monumental task rebuilding this OL.

 

[Ewooc]

If I hear people blame Bo, & Riley for this mess anymore I might just puke. Yes they left us in a huge whole but this roster has almost totally flipped and these players are Frost's. These are his coaches, and his scheme. In Nebraska we preach about personal accountability and taking responsibility for what we do.

Frost needs to talk about patience and speak about the future, instead of filling our hearts and minds with images of grandeur about players and teams of our past. We are Husker fans and most of us end up drinking the kool-aid at some point and when it doesn't happen things get really ugly.

Preach patience and how difficult things are right now but in the future things will turn. Don't ever say this is the low point because things can always get worse.

Frost said after Michigan it is the bottom. I beg to differ, there is never a bottom and nobody knows what the future holds. I believe yesterday was a lower point than last year Michigan. Having the press and coverage we had yesterday and the way the Huskers laid an egg is much lower than last year Michigan. JMO

Agree it was worse

 

[CatColumbia]

If I hear people blame Bo, & Riley for this mess anymore I might just puke. Yes they left us in a huge whole but this roster has almost totally flipped and these players are Frost's. These are his coaches, and his scheme. In Nebraska we preach about personal accountability and taking responsibility for what we do.

Frost needs to talk about patience and speak about the future, instead of filling our hearts and minds with images of grandeur about players and teams of our past. We are Husker fans and most of us end up drinking the kool-aid at some point and when it doesn't happen things get really ugly.

Preach patience and how difficult things are right now but in the future things will turn. Don't ever say this is the low point because things can always get worse.

Frost said after Michigan it is the bottom. I beg to differ, there is never a bottom and nobody knows what the future holds. I believe yesterday was a lower point than last year Michigan. Having the press and coverage we had yesterday and the way the Huskers laid an egg is much lower than last year Michigan. JMO

You bring up some good points. I do think yesterday is lower than last years Michigan game.

In terms of communication, Frost has a tough job. Think about the message he’s sending the players when he tells us fans “It’s going to take a while. Be patient”. We as fans need to take where things are at face value. Last night was pure evidence how far away we are from elite. The media definitely hyped this team up for 2 reasons: 1) Nebraska name is still attractive in football 2) Frost is liked by all the media guys.

 

[HominidHusker]

There’s been plenty of programs able rebuild in relatively short time. We heard Frost talk about how their system helps OL (not seeing that yet).
But regardless, it’s not fair to expect many players recruited in 2 years to make major contributions, esp. in the trenches.
It’s hard to wait, and sucks to lose a few good players along the way, but Frost will need to be judged on the 4-6 year stretch to allow him time to develop the guys he recruits.

In the meantime, the key is recruiting, and yesterday did not help us there.
Frost is gonna have to finish the year strong if he wants to keep pace with what needs to be done in recruiting.

 

[Shoxsker]

If I hear people blame Bo, & Riley for this mess anymore I might just puke. Yes they left us in a huge whole but this roster has almost totally flipped and these players are Frost's. These are his coaches, and his scheme. In Nebraska we preach about personal accountability and taking responsibility for what we do.

Frost needs to talk about patience and speak about the future, instead of filling our hearts and minds with images of grandeur about players and teams of our past. We are Husker fans and most of us end up drinking the kool-aid at some point and when it doesn't happen things get really ugly.

Preach patience and how difficult things are right now but in the future things will turn. Don't ever say this is the low point because things can always get worse.

Frost said after Michigan it is the bottom. I beg to differ, there is never a bottom and nobody knows what the future holds. I believe yesterday was a lower point than last year Michigan. Having the press and coverage we had yesterday and the way the Huskers laid an egg is much lower than last year Michigan. JMO

HE DOES! He also is a caoch and wont go up there and say we have major roster issues we are and have been addressing. He mentioned recruiting in his list of how to get better at his post game. Sheesh some fans want to blame him alone and the problem is there is too many problems to even say any 1 of them causes the blowout. We are addressing them in order but they make us play the games. Every game is a barometer, we have graded better and better in said berometers.
Throw out last night and bethune cookman as they are the worst and best we have played. Now lets look for some good, try and fix turnovers, and see how we progress on this road.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Wait...we are still blaming Bo?

 

[HuskerBorn]

Last night was a thousand times worse than Michigan last year. What a huge let down. It felt like a complete gut punch. The mood in Lincoln was electric like in the 90s and we were back in the national spotlight before the game and then just sucked every bit of that energy and positive PR right out of the air with an atrocious performance. I believe in Frost. Better days ahead. Just gonna be longer than we had hoped.

 

[Husker4real_rivals373787]

What many of us forget is that Bo got lazy towards the end on the recruiting front. So from 2014 - 2018 we had low retention and very little development. That’s 4 years gone to waste. Now you have to add another 5 years to get this thing right. Many of us are tired of beat downs like last night and believe that it should not happen under a new head coach, but that’s wrong. We’re in the beginning of building this thing and expect a few more beat downs in the next two years folks. Now I do expect us to compete against everyone in our conference not named OSU, Mich and Penn St.

So to sum it up, a lazy Bo + a bad hire in Smilin Mike set our program behind approximately 10 years.

I really want to believe this is true. I'm sure that the last few years of Pelini and the Riley debacle absolutely set the program back. How far back, is hard to quantify.

I felt like we made progress the last half of the year - enough progress that while we couldn't expect to go 12-0, we could at least be competitive week in and week out, and not suffer these embarrassing and catastrophic break-downs.

Maybe OSU will piss-pound everyone in their path this year, and last night will be more palatable. I thought we were farther along. My bad,

 

[nu2u]

QUOTE="husker2612, post: 5464995, member]
"I am no coach, could 3 years of poor S&C really set a program back 5-8 years". No

"The results we are seeing would indicate there was no program in place for S&C although most of the former players say there was". Please. All B10 Programs (including Nebraska) have had well paid S&C coaches, well developed training programs, and some of the best college training facilities in the country for the last quarter century or longer.

 

[f00tball_fan]

I think part of the problem is a cultural confidence problem. Nebraska gets everybody's best shot from the lowest programs to the highest. And since we are a nationally recognized program its all the more incentive to grind us into bread.

The beatdowns didn't begin in the Big 10. This a long time issue. And so it, I think, has permeated Lincoln, the boosters, and social media, and I think that reaches those on campus and then the program.

At some point the team is going to just have to constantly walk around being pissed off at either wins or losses. No sad face, not jokes. Just tired of not being perfect and focus and not caring what the media, boosters, or fans say or put out there, yet still pump the program they love.

They need to do this without lashing out or growing contemptuous of the said same at the same time. That was one reason why Pelini failed in my opinion. You can't disrespect the fans at this program...even if they deserve it.

Yep. This is the exact answer.

Everyone thinks it’s a big joke on campus, so we are a joke. No one has pride. No one really cares at all outside of probably Scott. But who really knows.

I guarantee this loss was more embarrassing for us than it was for them.

 

[Sinomatic]

Yep. This is the exact answer.

Everyone thinks it’s a big joke on campus, so we are a joke. No one has pride. No one really cares at all outside of probably Scott. But who really knows.

I guarantee this loss was more embarrassing for us than it was for them.

I don't think that is it exactly, they were on TV and most of us were not. I'm pretty sure they are more embarrassed. I hope they get angrily focused.

 

[dinglefritz]

I really want to believe this is true. I'm sure that the last few years of Pelini and the Riley debacle absolutely set the program back. How far back, is hard to quantify.

I felt like we made progress the last half of the year - enough progress that while we couldn't expect to go 12-0, we could at least be competitive week in and week out, and not suffer these embarrassing and catastrophic break-downs.

Maybe OSU will piss-pound everyone in their path this year, and last night will be more palatable. I thought we were farther along. My bad,

OSU is very very good. Our only hope was to get a lot of breaks. OSU is going to make a lot of teams look terrible this year.

 

[Jimmy Frank]

If I hear people blame Bo, & Riley for this mess anymore I might just puke. Yes they left us in a huge whole but this roster has almost totally flipped and these players are Frost's. These are his coaches, and his scheme. In Nebraska we preach about personal accountability and taking responsibility for what we do.

Frost needs to talk about patience and speak about the future, instead of filling our hearts and minds with images of grandeur about players and teams of our past. We are Husker fans and most of us end up drinking the kool-aid at some point and when it doesn't happen things get really ugly.

Preach patience and how difficult things are right now but in the future things will turn. Don't ever say this is the low point because things can always get worse.

Frost said after Michigan it is the bottom. I beg to differ, there is never a bottom and nobody knows what the future holds. I believe yesterday was a lower point than last year Michigan. Having the press and coverage we had yesterday and the way the Huskers laid an egg is much lower than last year Michigan. JMO

Totally flipped? How?

 

[BHeinDaHuskers]

Totally flipped? How?

I believe its 80% or more of this roster were not on this team when Frost became full time head coach after the UCF victory over Auburn on January 1, 2018. That means in a year and and a half he has basically totally flipped the roster.

 

[samnsadie]

I have been thinking about something. We have heard since Frost was hired that this is a process and it is going to take time. After the beat down last night the eternal optimists continual preach this is a 5, 6, 7 or 8 year rebuild. Ground up they say.
So, for those way smarter than me, why does it take a place like Nebraska so long? For a program like Indiana, or Rutgers or even NW type teams, I could see it. They literally have to start from the ground up. Building better facilities, building a fan base/ support for the program, getting the right coaches, trying to build good recruiting connection. Then using those connection to build a good talent base. Then another few years to develop that talent and get a system in place.
In a place like Nebraska yes we haven't had the W-L success as we saw in the 90s, but we have huge advantage compared to many other school looking to "rebuild". We have pretty good facilities already. We have the most loyal fan base in the country. We are already able to get top 25 recruiting classes pretty consistently. We are nationally recognized as a blue blood, so we still hold at least a little recognition when trying to recruit across the country.
So what is it that should take us half a decade to get this up and running, at least to the point of not getting destroyed year 2 by Ohio St. Or letting teams like South Alabama hang with us till the end. Yes I know we hear things like, "it took 20 years to bring down it will take more than 2 to build it" again, why? What do the last 20 years of failure have to do with today's coaches or today's players? The only thing I could maybe blame on the past is S&C and player development from Riley. What the old coach did or didn't do prior to MR is irrelevant at this point. I am no coach, could 3 years of poor S&C really set a program back 5-8 years. Im not sure how poor the S&C really was. The results we are seeing would indicate there was no program in place for S&C although most of the former players say there was.

 

[goldencohusker]

Lots of debate on causes of why NU hasn't enjoyed the quick turnaround under Frost that we'd like - talent, coaching, S&C, culture, etc. Guess I'm one that thinks Frost needs time to build talent.

Below are the NFL draft picks (total/1st and 2nd round picks) from 2017-2019 for the key teams we are chasing in the B10. Based on the NFL's view of our talent its not surprising we are were we are:

Ohio State - 22/8
Michigan - 18/4
Wisconsin - 12/2
Penn St - 12/2
Iowa - 11/4
Neb - 6/0

 

[oldjar07]

I can understand it taking 5 years to get to a top 10 or elite level program. It shouldn't take near that long to get to playing respectable football. If it doesn't happen in year 1, it should happen by year 2. In year 2, we're nowhere close to where we should be.