That is fair enough and agree. If that was my child, male or female...there could be nothing to stop me.
Ask the parole commissions that will release Sirhan Sirhan / Hinckley.
I wouldn’t worry about it. It’s not like the number has been retired regardless of how you feel about Ray.
. Should bring Ray back as RB coach. If the “victim” married him how can anyone else hold it against him.you don’t know, but you hope, based on appearances. I know for a fact there wasn’t a person more disappointed than Rays momma, whom I had the pleasure of meeting while he was playing for Rutgers. A fine human being.
Ray Rice, was wrongfully sacrificed for the times we live in. In today’s world a woman can launch ANY allegation against a man and it will be adjudicated and most likely the man will lose even if the allegations were not true! This is where our legal system is today.
While I do think he paid a higher price than many that have done as bad or worse…justifying it is batsh&t crazy.
This man should NOT have knocked this woman out and dragged her body. This is love? Ha. You don't touch a woman EVER! (SHE IS WRONG TOO and hopefully had charges against her)
Exactly. Love is bringing a woman (and her darn LEO boyfriend) donuts.
Wait ... your assertion is that Ray Rice (or any other man) should just push an alarm button and sit there in an elevator and get hit until security comes?
She didn't say that at all. Pushing the alarm button and subduing his wife without punching her in the face was achievable for a man who could put 325 pound linemen on their ***. Or is your assertion that Mrs. Rice is more powerful than 325 pound linemen?
You're right. It's near impossible to even imagine how he could have survived the onslaught, the periolous danger. She was coming right at him. With tremendous speed built up after 4 feet of sprinting. With a deadly phone in her hand. It was a good thing that he had already taken a little bit out of her with his first left moments earlier. But it wasn't enough. I shiver when I think of the consquences that would have befallen him had he not continued to use the brave and necessary defensive tactics that you champion. He was lucky to get out of there alive. Trapped in there with her. Against his will. More victims like him should chose the right path, take your counsel and do the right thing.
It is exactly what she said - "Revel elevators have alarms. Therefore this "man" should have pushed the button and security would have come and dealt with her."
Did I say that? No. Then why would you ask if that's what I was asserting?
There's a delicious irony to the fact that you are repeatedly misreading and misstating what she wrote (you've done it again up above), yet complaining when I merely asked for your view, as opposed to my just going ahead like you did to her, and misstating what you wrote.
325 pound defensive lineman used to hit Ray all the time. He managed to not punch them in the face.
Consensually for money.
Yes, because he contractually agreed not to (in return for money). Of course, if one of them came running at him in the hallway after the game and threw a punch at him, there isn't a person on this message board that would criticize Rice if he had dropped him with a punch in response.
Ray and his wife are under a contractual agreement that can be fairly interpreted as saying they won't punch each other in the face. And of course nobody would fault Ray for punching a 325 pound lineman that threw a punch at him first. Because in that specific situation, he's actually in real danger of being hurt.
A social contract, maybe. I don't even think they were married when the incident occurred, so there certainly wasn't a written contract. Regardless, to whatever extent there was a "contract" in place, she breached it when she hit him.
Not at all. If someone physically attacks you, I believe you're entitled to utilize force one step higher in response until the attack has stopped. And then you must stop. And that's exactly what Rice did in the elevator. She hit him; he used proportionate force in response; and then he immediately stopped when her attack had ceased.
There was nothing proportionate in his response. She hit him with all the force of a fishing boat brushing up against a nuclear powered aircraft carrier. He hit her with the force of a elephant stomping on a fly.
Did he also go to alcohol counseling as that was what he said caused the problem in the first place ? I assume he talks about the dangers of drinking when he does these talks.
I disagree. They have the incident on video and it is as clear as day that she was the aggressor, she hit him first, and he responded with one single unarmed action. As a defense attorney, you can't ask for better self-defense evidence.
I make the majority of my money in estate planning, but yes, I've defended people in criminal court. I've also been a federal agent, so I've been on both sides of the criminal justice system.
Then I will defer to your expertise with why they dropped the charges. However, as a defense lawyer, you know that charges are dropped all the time for reasons other than because the defendant was innocent.
In high profile cases, it's entirely prosecutor-dependent. If a prosecutor likes you, the charges will be plead-down to a single misdemeanor or dropped, even if you committed the crime. If a prosecutor dislikes you (or is up for re-election), he will pile on as many serious charges as possible, even if you have legitimate and/or reasonable defenses.
The only thing I’ll judge in this thread is an older dude still wearing a jersey.
This article sheds some light on the dismissal of charges, I think...
