Ramsey / UofL Board Out

[Bluest Member]

Actually, it sounds straight out of the current Republican Presidential nominee's talking points memo.

In all seriousness, the entire point Lecter was making is that there aren't many African Americans who are Republican.

Yes,funny that AAs wouldn't support the party of Abraham Lincoln and back the party that started the KKK called Democrats.

This country would be a better place if we all got rid of both parties and worried more about the country instead of who gets to line the pockets of their party

 

[Teachable Moe]

Teachable moe.. cmon now

A rather vague response.

 

[hoggwildcat]

A rather vague response.

The governor has every right to fire Ramsey and any board member, they are state government employees paid by taxpayers money.

 

[Teachable Moe]

The governor has every right to fire Ramsey and any board member, they are state government employees paid by taxpayers money.

Board members have a right to a show cause hearing. A tweet isn't a show cause hearing.

And Bevin dismissed the board members who opposed Ramsey. How does that work?

I can't find the statute for the UL board but the statute for UK board says:

"Board members may be removed by the Governor for cause, which shall include neglect of duty or malfeasance in office, after being afforded a hearing with counsel before the council and a finding of fact by the council."

The "shall" in there is the legal "shall" which is a mandate not a prediction. My emphasis in there.

The statute also specified the number of trustees. 16. I kind of like laws. You like a governor who just rewrites stuff?

I also like the staggered terms of the trustees. One guy usually doesn't get to put his cronies in place.

 

[RacerX.ksr]

Does anyone remember that last time ul got some publicity that was positive?

 

[Dr. H Lecter]

Uh wut?
Are you saying a staunch conservatives have a dislike for athletes of color? If that's what you're saying and what you really think then, it might be single most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. The inference that conservatives either dislike or can't have any affinity for people of color sounds like something straight off of a liberal talking points memo.

Where did you come up with that? I simply stated a fact that "fire breathing right-wingers" are branded as racists every day of the week. It would not bode well for recruiting if you are portrayed by every other schools recruiter as a racist. We have had enough issues over the years with the OTIS fans calling us a racist institution because of the 1966 game. I am simply pointing out that our coaches political leanings would be better kept in the closet. Your last sentence echos my sentiment as to why. I believe we are in agreement.

 

[Dr. H Lecter]

Board members have a right to a show cause hearing. A tweet isn't a show cause hearing.

And Bevin dismissed the board members who opposed Ramsey. How does that work?

I can't find the statute for the UL board but the statute for UK board says:

"Board members may be removed by the Governor for cause, which shall include neglect of duty or malfeasance in office, after being afforded a hearing with counsel before the council and a finding of fact by the council."

The "shall" in there is the legal "shall" which is a mandate not a prediction. My emphasis in there.

The statute also specified the number of trustees. 16. I kind of like laws. You like a governor who just rewrites stuff?

I also like the staggered terms of the trustees. One guy usually doesn't get to put his cronies in place.

I doubt that the Gov will have any problem at all showing cause for that board. You have national writers calling it the University of Sleaze. And that isnt even addressing the lack of oversight on the Foundation. The bigger question is why in the world did Beshear allow it to go on? He should be jailed for ignoring what was going on under his watch.

 

[Teachable Moe]

I doubt that the Gov will have any problem at all showing cause for that board. You have national writers calling it the University of Sleaze. And that isnt even addressing the lack of oversight on the Foundation. The bigger question is why in the world did Beshear allow it to go on? He should be jailed for ignoring what was going on under his watch.

I mentioned the fact that he dismissed the trustees who were investigating Ramsey. Which is a sizable chunk of the board. "Damned if you do and damned if you don't" makes it sound as if simply wants to control the entire board.

The size of the board is also set by statute. And "can't be arsed" is probably not an actual excuse for not following the statute. It sounds to me as if he's setting the situation up for failure. Ramsey, after all, hasn't actually resigned.

 

[IHATEUAVEL]

uavel fans at my Church wringing hands and gnashing teeth over the Sewer cleaning at
lil Brother..They are worried that the new Prez will force Tommy Turtleneck to deep six The Crypt Keeper after the NCAA rules on the scandal.After all they wouldn't owe him a buyout for cause..

 

[Dr. H Lecter]

I mentioned the fact that he dismissed the trustees who were investigating Ramsey. Which is a sizable chunk of the board. "Damned if you do and damned if you don't" makes it sound as if simply wants to control the entire board.

The size of the board is also set by statute. And "can't be arsed" is probably not an actual excuse for not following the statute. It sounds to me as if he's setting the situation up for failure. Ramsey, after all, hasn't actually resigned.

He has offered and considering that the entire university is running without a board in place is a problem. So my guess is that once the new board is seated then Ramsey's resignation will be accepted and a new President will be selected. I think the governor is a very by the books guy who will follow the letter of the statute. Is there anything in the statute that says me must fill up all the seats immediately? The SCOTUS has 9 but obviously with 8 things are still getting accomplished. And eventually there will be 9.

 

[Monroe Claxton]

It will take a lot more to clean that cesspool

 

[Kybluedude]

Skimming Jim in Europe on the U's dollar when the news broke. How fitting. Probably ruined his glass of Dom until he realized how much of his over salary he has stashed away along with taking take of a select few but certainly not the teachers or students. Forgot about them years ago.

 

[Mikey Likes It]

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=17&f=2755&t=14793749&p=1

I love how they're all certain its someone on the board thats the Matt Jones mole. As if its only one person leaking. They could fire a janitor over there and the crazies would claim its because he or she was the mole. Of course they still care more that there is a mole than about all the criminal things that have taken place at their school over the last decade.

 

[BigBlueManSouthCentralKY]

I doubt that the Gov will have any problem at all showing cause for that board. You have national writers calling it the University of Sleaze. And that isnt even addressing the lack of oversight on the Foundation. The bigger question is why in the world did Beshear allow it to go on? He should be jailed for ignoring what was going on under his watch.

Bevin worrying about UL's 'academic' image yet not concerned about the athletic programs 'image' effecting the university as a whole? Am I not quite getting it? To be that concerned about the university but leave that part of the cancer alone seems suspicious. Why would he?

 

[Dr. H Lecter]

Bevin worrying about UL's 'academic' image yet not concerned about the athletic programs 'image' effecting the university as a whole? Am I not quite getting it? To be that concerned about the university but leave that part of the cancer alone seems suspicious. Why would he?

I would suppose he truly is concerned with the way the athletics dept has done much greater harm to the University in the media and the public consciousness than has the Foundation. But say if you or I were Gov and at least me speaking for me, I'd shut their entire athletics program down. But I certainly wouldnt admit that openly as I take out their board. Athletics is for the "little people" to enjoy. A distraction. What really matters is a universities academic value to the public. An engine that drives innovation and provides us with an educated workforce, blah blah blah.

So only a fool would come in with their guns a blazin at the athletics nightmare. Focus on what should really be important and is difficult to argue with in the media from the politicos from both sides. Lawd knows that everyone of us, even their fans, knows the administration is out of control. No one can deny that. Then you put in your people who think as you do...and if they are legitimately operating in the best interest of the academic institution there is no way they cannot clean up their mess on the athletics side. Those come hand in hand.

 

[catdance]

Does anyone remember that last time ul got some publicity that was positive?

2013. They won a championship, had to cheat to do it, but they won. All this other stuff is just the cost of doing business.

 

[blubo]

from scout tard board.......They think the gov axed the bot because it was infiltrated with pro uk agents covertly doing things to tarnish Ulol's image:

kycardinal. People who think this was a haphazard move have no idea how these things work. This was precision and perfectly executed to excise traitorous cancer in the BOT. As Bevin said, the BOT HAS to be "unapologetically" pro UofL. End of story. Those hayseeds in Frankfort and Lexington chose to try and infiltrate the board via the last administration and they have done what they could to degrade and humiliate the brand and the university. It was past time to put an end to that. To remove a member would have required hearings and there was a clique that was moving against the interests of the school, not just one. This action spared us the process and the mud they would have attempted to drag UL through on the way out the door.

I guess hayseeds are everyone who didn't attend Ulol.

 

[RacerX.ksr]

2013. They won a championship, had to cheat to do it, but they won. All this other stuff is just the cost of doing business.

Even then the talk was about them hacking and slashing their way to the championship. Remember the NCAA even attempted to change the rules for the next year because of the travesty?

 

[Dr. H Lecter]

http://www.courier-journal.com/stor...-issues-cloud-matt-bevins-u-l-order/86048098/

Despite the fact that state law is written in an effort to keep politics out of appointments to university boards, such positions have long been used by governors to reward givers. The spots are coveted because trustees receive access to season tickets for sporting events.

Last year, after former Gov. Steve Beshear removed the Rev. Kevin Cosby from the board at the end of Cosby's six-year term, every member on the board had contributed to the campaign of Beshear's son, Andy Beshear, who was running for attorney general.

This will certainly be headed to the courts...but I would assert ole Andy Beshear will be in a bit of a pickle. Does he wear his (D) hat as he has been doing...and in doing so does he open himself to the obvious charge of protecting HIS cash flow from the dirtiest board in the nation.

 

[catdance]

Even then the talk was about them hacking and slashing their way to the championship. Remember the NCAA even attempted to change the rules for the next year because of the travesty?

It's in their DNA. Cheat on and off the court.

 

[RacerX.ksr]

A little brother is relentless in pursuit of his big brother. Futile endeavor.

 

[Macys Socks]

Kentucky is an at will employment state. Even though it says show cause it doesn't stand up in court. I lost a great job in Murray due to politics (local yokel with no experience or degree in the required field wanted my job and got it). I had a personnel policy manual that clearly stated "an employee may not be dismissed without just cause". When I demanded the cause, I got silence. I couldn't find a lawyer in W Ky to take my case.

Bottom line Bevins can fire them if he pleases at any time. Doesn't make it right but it is what it is.

 

[catdance]

uavel fans at my Church wringing hands and gnashing teeth over the Sewer cleaning at
lil Brother..They are worried that the new Prez will force Tommy Turtleneck to deep six The Crypt Keeper after the NCAA rules on the scandal.After all they wouldn't owe him a buyout for cause..

UofL fans go to church? All that I've met are heathens.

 

[UK till Death]

UofL fans go to church? All that I've met are heathens.

Church of Satan.

 

[WattersonSpeedDemon]

Right on cue, Tard Nation is far more concerned about a PI given to a UK player rather than cleaning up their crap.

 

[KyCatFan1]

Kentucky is an at will employment state. Even though it says show cause it doesn't stand up in court. I lost a great job in Murray due to politics (local yokel with no experience or degree in the required field wanted my job and got it). I had a personnel policy manual that clearly stated "an employee may not be dismissed without just cause". When I demanded the cause, I got silence. I couldn't find a lawyer in W Ky to take my case.

Bottom line Bevins can fire them if he pleases at any time. Doesn't make it right but it is what it is.

That's what I was wondering about. I found this from the link below though.

"Similarly, if you have signed an employment contract that promises job security, you are not employed at will. For example, if you have a two-year contract that states you can be fired during the contract term only for committing a crime, then you are not an at-will employee. If you are fired for any reason not specified in the contract, you may well have a legal claim against your employer for breach of contract."

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/employment-at-will-definition-30022.html

So according to this, they have to have done something that is stated in their contracts to be an offense that you can be fired for before being fired. At least that seems to be the case. Whether they did the offense or not is the question.

 

[WattersonSpeedDemon]

That's what I was wondering about. I found this from the link below though.

"Similarly, if you have signed an employment contract that promises job security, you are not employed at will. For example, if you have a two-year contract that states you can be fired during the contract term only for committing a crime, then you are not an at-will employee. If you are fired for any reason not specified in the contract, you may well have a legal claim against your employer for breach of contract."

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/employment-at-will-definition-30022.html

So according to this, they have to have done something that is stated in their contracts to be an offense that you can be fired for before being fired. At least that seems to be the case. Whether they did the offense or not is the question.

There is also a difference between what are known as merit and non-merit positions within state government.

 

[Federal Cat]

This will probably be all that happens since UNCheats gets off basically unscathed, you know the whole ACC thing, no one really gets punished unless it's the people who don't have a bunch of money to throw at the problem to make it all go away, it's the American way:uzi::bomb::boom::fire:

 

[Aike]

Saw Ramsey and thought this was a GOT thread.