QB guess
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Vedral...Time to have a QB that can run and pass and not a turnover machine
Agreed - will be very disappointed if it's not Vedral.
I will be the contrarian and say Art, but that is more with my heart than head.
Vedral is the starter but Art gets a series or two each half running certain play packages friendly to his skills.
This week is a good litmus test for our QB’s, as long as the OL performs ok Imo.
This week is a good litmus test for our QB’s, as long as the OL performs ok Imo.
Like last season, when you have no clear cut starter you don't bring in a transfer QB who's riding the bench otherwise it was a wasted transfer.
I would say Vedral but Schiano's history is that he love those prototypical pro style quarterbacks.
I think Verdal starts and plays most of the time with Art seeing a few series.
I know GS is the boss but we'll see how much pull Gleeson has as Verdal's skill set seems more conducive to his offense.
I know GS is the boss but we'll see how much pull Gleeson has as Verdal's skill set seems more conducive to his offense.
I think Art only sees the field if Vedral is stinking it up. With our QB history it would be a mistake to pull a QB that at least has us in the game just to get the backup time.
Watch this sequence of plays by Vedral. Quick outs and slants to the RB and TE. Could see Pacheco being used like #10 (Spielmann who is a WR) or to Melton or Cruickshank in the video and our TE being used like their #86.
We can only hope Vedral can perform like Dru Brown did in his first start for Oklahoma. Lots of quick outs and bubble screens.
We can only hope Vedral can perform like Dru Brown did in his first start for Oklahoma. Lots of quick outs and bubble screens.
Verdal has to start. The absolute worst thing that could happen for everyone is that Art starts and throws a pick on the first series. Sorry for my lack of confidence.
People continue to rip the poor kid (although you did apologize so you are a nicer one). However, unlike the bashers, I paid attention to his performance in his two games last year and saw that he was not bad. Perhaps, he's even better now. After all, his very poor performances came during his true freshman year (after not starting his HS senior year).
With that being said, I am not married to the idea that he should be the starter. However, I won't be "disappointed" if the staff thinks that Art should start over Noah (and vice-versa).
I saw some minor improvements in the limited time he played last season. However, he was great against a bad defense (BC) and not so great against a really good defenses (UM & Iowa). So hard to really say with just 2.5 games played.
In hindsight, him bailing out on the team and redshirting was probably the worst thing for him. He could have used those games and put the doubts to rest as well as getting valuable game experience. It also gave the new staff a reason to pursue a transfer QB.
RU fans shouldn't really expect the offense to come out roaring no matter who is at QB. It will take several weeks to work out the kinks on the field so we should expect inconsistent results.
After watching the Vedral highlights above I'd venture that is Artur starts it will mean he beat out Vedral in fair competition.. and that if he struggles in game it will be a short hook. Same thing the other way around..
While I prefer a more vertical passing game that what Vedral showed in those highlights.. I will be behind whoever can move the chains... however they move the chains.
While I prefer a more vertical passing game that what Vedral showed in those highlights.. I will be behind whoever can move the chains... however they move the chains.
And how did that worked out?
Savage was more (MICHIGAN's) Tom Brady or Mike Teel than Tim Tebow back then.
If you're going to start that argument, there were times when Mohamed Sanu was the best QB on the team and maybe Rutgers shouldve went with him.
I think "OR" starts.
he seems to have the most reps in practice
he seems to have the most reps in practice
I think GS 2.0 is going to allow his coordinators more control over their respective units. While greg needs to be involved as HC he needs to allow his coordinators room to do their jobs. With Gleeson as OC I think it is important for HCGS to allow him room to run the offense and make some mistakes. Gleeson so far at his past stops has been a great offensive mind but he needs the room to allow his fast and high energy offense to take root. I have not been this excited to see a rutgers offense since the 2005 - 2007 seasons. I really, really hope Gleeson can show some really creative offensive play calling. Lets go RU!
Vedral looks fast and decisive, and accurate in the highlights. I did notice that they weren't putting up many points, and it was only highlights. Sit is a great drop back passer, is very tough and accurate if he has a clean pocket. My guess is that Vedral starts because of his speed. He didn't come to Rutgers to be the backup, he left Nebraska because he was a back up there. I am fine with either of them starting but my guess is Vedral.
Bolin rode the bench most of 2017 and carter retired last year . Rutgers logic has historically been different
In Gleesons offense I’m expecting play action run/pass option plays to create an opportunity for our WR’s and RB’s to get open. In that case the QB also needs to make the decision to run it himself and look for first down yardage on the play when the pass is not open.
On 3rd and 9 the QB has to avoid the pass rush and also run for his life on this team.
Vedral is the only QB who can do that Imo. Nothing we’ve seen from Art indicates he can run Gleesons offense. It’s a bad sign if Art is the starter vs MSU imo.
Spot on. Hoping Sitkowski will be a career backup.
Agreed that RU has a strange tortured history with QB transfers and many of them were wasted ships. Carter will be the only one I disagree since he got injured but had won the starting job outright.
I'm trying to remember many of our QB transfers and I really can't, which proves your point about our tortured history. We've had a couple of decent JUCO transfers who contributed: Robert Higgins and Brendan Edmonds come to mind, but I can't think of too many. Fortay was decent and had some good games. I'll give a shout out to Mike Stephens too, because he took a helluva beating behind that line and kept coming back. I think he almost upset VT in Blacksburg one year.
Oh lord, you're going back way further than I was...lol.
I was only covering the Flood & Ash disasters with my comment - Kyle Bolin, Zach Allen, Hayden Rettig, etc.
Definitely not a murderer's row right there...
Agreed. I would assume Gleason would want to play both QB's to see how they both run the new offense.
We should be talking about this from a Sean Gleeson perspective. 2018 10-0 Princeton Tigers had John Lovett as their QB, Pro style. 2019 8-5 Oklahoma St started the season with a Dual threat and finished the last 3 with a Pro style. Gleeson is a balance play caller looking at last 2 years of OC, favoring run option. Princeton Rushing 45 att 308.2yds, Passing 29 att 241.3yds, OSU Rushing 43 att 229.3yds Passing 29 att 224.3yds. Princeton QB Pro style ran for almost 900 yds in 10 games, leading the team, 2 other RBs had 650 each, and OSU QB Dual threat ran for 625 yds in 10 but he had Chuba Hubbard go for 2000 yds. Both QB avg. about 13-14 carries a game. Minus QB carries, it's an even 29/29, run/pass. With Pacheco and Aaron Young, I think it will be more OSU than Princeton, but he makes it work with both kinds of QBs.
How far into the game before people start posting "Free Vedral" or "Free Sitkowski" or "Free (that other guy)" ??
I think carter was gonna go the way of bolin anyway . Bolin won the starting job outright out of camp too. These were both wasted ships in a wasted trASH era.
No, not different at all. They were both brought in to start, as was Vedral. They both did start, as will Vedral.
For different reasons it didn't work out for Bolin and Carter. It may or may not work out with Vedral. If it doesn't, then he too will be removed as starter.