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John_J_Rambo

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Stats don't matter. 700 yards. Against Illinois. And we got lucky to win. And it wasn't on the defense.

Look at Illinois win probability the rest of the season. One game they have the percentage to win in against Rutgers. They are 30 percent against Purdue and 36 percent against Northwestern. They are a horrible, atrocious team and we were lucky to beat them with 700 yards.

what, specifically, was lucky about it? which breaks went our way in order to win? which bounces did we get that allowed us to win?
 

timnsun

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Stats don't matter. 700 yards. Against Illinois. And we got lucky to win. And it wasn't on the defense.

Look at Illinois win probability the rest of the season. One game they have the percentage to win in against Rutgers. They are 30 percent against Purdue and 36 percent against Northwestern. They are a horrible, atrocious team and we were lucky to beat them with 700 yards.
We were lucky to beat Kansas in 1992? 1993? Forget the year... When they went for a 2 point conversion and had a busted play. We were lucky to beat Missouri in 1997 with the fleakicker. We were lucky to beat Northwestern in 2013 or so with the Hail Mary to Westerkamp.

Luck happens, and it happens to everyone... even to some of our Osborne coaches teams.
 

John_J_Rambo

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We were lucky to beat Kansas in 1992? 1993? Forget the year... When they went for a 2 point conversion and had a busted play. We were lucky to beat Missouri in 1997 with the fleakicker. We were lucky to beat Northwestern in 2013 or so with the Hail Mary to Westerkamp.

Luck happens, and it happens to everyone... even to some of our Osborne coaches teams.
there were no lucky breaks in this one. if anything, overcame a tremendous amount of poor luck to win.
 

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He knows the offense. I bet he makes decisions a lot more quickly and won't run while getting his receivers killed. I would have pulled the trigger in the second quarter and Nebraska would have ran away with the game.
I've been reading this board for 16 years and I'm hard pressed to think of a more insanely stupid post I've ever read than this. I honestly thought it was trolling at first because it is so beyond the pale ridiculous. It's scary to think that somebody could write this and literally mean it.
 

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I've been reading this board for 16 years and I'm hard pressed to think of a more insanely stupid post I've ever read than this. I honestly thought it was trolling at first because it is so beyond the pale ridiculous. It's scary to think that somebody could write this and literally mean it.


Are you insinuating that Martinez hasn't been indecisive? Are you insinuating it's not possible that Vedral might not know this offense better even though he has been in it longer?

How many fumbles is the line in the sand for you? He leads the nation since last year with 10.
 

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Are you insinuating that Martinez hasn't been indecisive? Are you insinuating it's not possible that Vedral might not know this offense better even though he has been in it longer?

How many fumbles is the line in the sand for you? He leads the nation since last year with 10.
He might be insinuating that Vedral wouldn’t have run away with the game like you clearly proclaim. Vedral could have come in and thrown 2 picks or fumbled as well. You say Vedral would have run away with the game. No maybe, no possibly, but he would have run away with it and we win going away.
 

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Knowing the offense isn't the only factor. Having the proper talents to run it the most effectively is important too. If it was all about knowing the offense and nothing else mattered, then Vedral might be starting. The coaches think Martinez is the best to run it. I know it's crazy to think it, but I trust the coaches over some arrogant, self-important smart-a$$ random fan about who should be starting. And yes, stats matter. Martinez has them. For heaven's sake, he had the third highest single total offense yardage in school history in this game. Every analyst in the country would think Scott Frost had lost his mind if he wasn't playing him.
 
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Knowing the offense isn't the only factor. Having the proper talents to run it the most effectively is important too. If it was all about knowing the offense and nothing else mattered, then Vedral might be starting. The coaches think Martinez is the best to run it. I know it's crazy to think it, but I trust the coaches over some arrogant, self-important smart-a$$ random fan about who should be starting. And yes, stats matter. Martinez has them. For heaven's sake, he had the third highest single total offense yardage in school history in this game. Every analyst in the country would think Scott Frost had lost his mind if he wasn't playing him.

Yeah we should care what skip, Steven a, and max Keller man think
 

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Okay, so you sided with the analysts when they all said Nebraska was crazy for firing Boseph after winning 9 game s
Do you think the analysts didn’t influence recruits for calling Nebraska crazy? I tend to think recruits looked differently at Nebraska after Bo was fired, but I could be wrong.
 

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It would certainly matter to potential QB recruits if analysts were (rightly) trashing Frost for pulling his star QB with the stats and experience who hadn't really done anything bad to warrant getting pulled in favor of a backup with little positive stats or experience to speak of. You're pretty naive If you don't think other schools would use that against us in recruiting.
 

HuskerBruce81

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It would certainly matter to potential QB recruits if analysts were (rightly) trashing Frost for pulling his star QB with the stats and experience who hadn't really done anything bad to warrant getting pulled in favor of a backup with little positive stats or experience to speak of. You're pretty naive If you don't think other schools would use that against us in recruiting.


The optics that we had 700 yards against ILLINOIS and still got taken to the wire because of turnovers and poor decisions is probably worse.

Osborne would bench significantly more talented QBs for the backup that would put the team in the better position to win. Frazier won the starting job before 95 because he had 2 less turnovers than Berringer. He could have won with either one but Frazier was the more dangerous of the two and it came down to mistakes
 

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The optics that we had 700 yards against ILLINOIS and still got taken to the wire because of turnovers and poor decisions is probably worse.

Osborne would bench significantly more talented QBs for the backup that would put the team in the better position to win. Frazier won the starting job before 95 because he had 2 less turnovers than Berringer. He could have won with either one but Frazier was the more dangerous of the two and it came down to mistakes
this narrative is tired, bruce

give it a rest
 

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The optics that we had 700 yards against ILLINOIS and still got taken to the wire because of turnovers and poor decisions is probably worse.

Osborne would bench significantly more talented QBs for the backup that would put the team in the better position to win. Frazier won the starting job before 95 because he had 2 less turnovers than Berringer. He could have won with either one but Frazier was the more dangerous of the two and it came down to mistakes
Not buying it... no dual threat QB is going to say Martinez passed for over 300 yards and rushed for over 100 yards, but because the game was close I don’t think I fit there.

Please tell me you aren’t saying this...
 

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Wandale won us the game.

And remember that fumble on the lateral during the RPO option last year at Ohio St near the goal line? That was the goofiest **** I've ever seen a QB do in a Nebraska uniform and probably cost us the game. Adrian is a basketball player who can score a lot but has 6 turnovers and doesn't play defense.

Last time I checked, quarterbacks don’t play defense.

Your problem with the kid used to just be that he was a *****, turnover prone, and disobeys his coaches. You’ve now added to the list that he throws ‘hospital balls’ and doesn’t block or play defense.

With fans like you, Bruce, who needs enemies?
 

John_J_Rambo

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To the biased it would be. Illinois is a terrible terrible team and college football is still laughing at us.
your bent against AM seems awfully subjective and biased to me.

you've grabbed hold of a hot take and run amok with it. you're the max kellerman of the board.
 

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Osborne would bench significantly more talented QBs for the backup that would put the team in the better position to win. Frazier won the starting job before 95 because he had 2 less turnovers than Berringer. He could have won with either one but Frazier was the more dangerous of the two and it came down to mistakes
No one would know Berringer's name if Frazier didn't have blood clots. Had nothing to do with Osborne evaluating talent vs mistakes. You're grasping for straws. Fail.
 

timnsun

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The optics that we had 700 yards against ILLINOIS and still got taken to the wire because of turnovers and poor decisions is probably worse.

Osborne would bench significantly more talented QBs for the backup that would put the team in the better position to win. Frazier won the starting job before 95 because he had 2 less turnovers than Berringer. He could have won with either one but Frazier was the more dangerous of the two and it came down to mistakes
Also wouldn’t mind examples of more talented players benched in favor of lesser talented backups. I don’t ever remember this, so much appreciated if you share what you know in detail.
 

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Crazy Husker Fans: Sit AM for a series, he needs to see the field (from the worst vantage point possible) and then maybe he will put up some numbers!

Also Crazy Husker Fans: Yeah, those stats don't mean a thing to me, Illinois is horrible and The Huskers were lucky to put him away.
 

JohnRossEwing

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The ironic part of this insane thread...

Vedral might end up in the game this Saturday...and it isn't going to all of a sudden make things look amazing.