Purely hypothetical question here

[Shamoan]

Please, no name calling or insults. I'm just asking a question, not suggesting we fire someone. That would be totally premature...let us all agree and move forward with the question:

If we end up 6-6 with a loss to uf and ole miss, what is our next move? The logic being, this is a roster full of talent and experience on both sides of the ball. If we can't do it with this talent, we have to ask the serious question whether or not it will ever happen.

Thoughts?

I'm not suggesting we fire him, but what happenes if the above scenario of death plays out? We would have to do something right?

 

[msstate7]

I'd fire him.

 

[CoolDawg]

Given the MSU way of doing things, if we go 6-6, the powers that be will be bragging about us going to a bowl game and will give him a raise and a contract extension.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Good question.

I think if you’re Cohen, you hired a guy who has a system you like and believe in and that can be a good long-term solution for State, even if that means some growing pains along the way...including the possibility of not winning 10 or 11
games this year with this roster.

It sucks to think we might seemingly squander an opportunity with this roster in 2018, but if you’re Cohen you made a 5-to-10 year hire, not a win-or-go-home hire for the 2018 season.

This is ESPECIALLY true if you hire a coach with a fairly complicated system like Joe Moorhead.

Also, Cohen hires recruiters. He must be confident that Moorhead will be able to elevate our recruiting profile and that 2018 won’t be our only roster stocked with NFL talent.

 

[EngDawg]

Can’t fire him after one year, but he better get some asbestos for his bottom.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

if we go 6-6 with losses to UF and Ole miss, who are we beating? Arkansas, LTech, and who else? honestly UF and ole miss are the two most other beatable teams on the schedule.

Not sure if there is anything you can do but rebuild into his philosophy at that point. At least then you have two years to build Keytaon or Moose to what Moorhead wants.

 

[L4Dawg]

Please, no name calling or insults. I'm just asking a question, not suggesting we fire someone. That would be totally premature...let us all agree and move forward with the question:

If we end up 6-6 with a loss to uf and ole miss, what is our next move? The logic being, this is a roster full of talent and experience on both sides of the ball. If we can't do it with this talent, we have to ask the serious question whether or not it will ever happen.

Thoughts?

I'm not suggesting we fire him, but what happenes if the above scenario of death plays out? We would have to do something right?

You don't fire the coach, you fire the guy that hired him.

 

[MissState1]

If we go 6-6 and lose to Florida and Ole Miss with this roster, Moorhead and Cohen should both be fired.

 

[MSUDC11]

Nobody is getting fired after one 6-6 year. If he were to go 6-6 and then follow it up with 3-9, I wouldn’t rule it out.

No doubt that 6-6 would be a big disappointment. But you can’t fire somebody after one year like that where you still go to a bowl game. Our chances of hiring a good replacement would be zero.

 

[DAWG61]

Nobody gets fired after one year unless they pull a Ellis Johnson 0-12 or go to strip clubs like Mike Price. Moorhead doesn't seem like the strip club fan. I'm not sure Moorhead is alive actually. He might just be a stuffed version of a coach. The real Moorhead is still at PSU.

 

[Drewbowski]

Bingo. I'd want Cohen fired if State loses 6 games this season with the talent that this team has.

 

[johnson86-1]

if we go 6-6 with losses to UF and Ole miss, who are we beating? Arkansas, LTech, and who else? honestly UF and ole miss are the two most other beatable teams on the schedule.

Not sure if there is anything you can do but rebuild into his philosophy at that point. At least then you have two years to build Keytaon or Moose to what Moorhead wants.

Yup. If last night is who we are, 7-5 is our ceiling, 6-6 is likely and will require beating ole miss or UF, and 5-7 is in play. Hard to fathom turning this roster into a 5 win team, but if we really have a coach who is incapable or unwilling to provide help to block an NFL prospect pass rusher, it's also reasonably likely that fits will get hurt before the season.

 

[aTotal360]

If Jomo goes 6-6 with this amount talent, he’ll go 3-9 next year.

 

[mount lefroy]

Please, no name calling or insults. I'm just asking a question, not suggesting we fire someone. That would be totally premature...let us all agree and move forward with the question:

If we end up 6-6 with a loss to uf and ole miss, what is our next move? The logic being, this is a roster full of talent and experience on both sides of the ball. If we can't do it with this talent, we have to ask the serious question whether or not it will ever happen.

Thoughts?

I'm not suggesting we fire him, but what happenes if the above scenario of death plays out? We would have to do something right?

Your premise is invalid. This talent must learn to stay composed. You cannot out talent every team. Even Bama can’t do that. We are a powerful weapon with an uncalibrated scope.

This week is an opportunity to get players to follow a plan and control their emotions.

 

[Shamoan]

It's not a premise, it's a question

 

[Oak23]

Well, I would say it’s unchartered territory. I never remember a time with this much talent, a first year coach and expectations placed on that coach but yet having a losing season. One thing to consider here though. Is Kentucky 10-2 good or 11-1 good? I know it’s hard to fathom but is state’s 2014 season their 2018? Look at the schedule - they could lose at Texas AnM and GA but lucky them they get a home vs Georgia —Either this or I am Not sure if I have ever had this much Confusion as to what’s the identity of this team after last night.

 

[mount lefroy]

It's not a premise, it's a question

And the question has a premise: if we can’t do it with this talent.....

My response is to say that talent and even experience have their limitations.

If we go 6-6 because our qb’s cannot figure out how to read a defense, talent won’t change that. If we go 6-6 because we get sucked into petty pregame ******** like the egg bowl and this game, talent won’t change that either.

Discipline and composure with talent. So the answer is that Joe will have to get kids to listen to instructions.

I’d say next season, if it’s evident that’s not happening, his seat gets warm.

 

[Shamoan]

The question is if we go 6-6 and lose to dan and om, what do we do?

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Please, no name calling or insults. I'm just asking a question, not suggesting we fire someone. That would be totally premature...let us all agree and move forward with the question:

If we end up 6-6 with a loss to uf and ole miss, what is our next move? The logic being, this is a roster full of talent and experience on both sides of the ball. If we can't do it with this talent, we have to ask the serious question whether or not it will ever happen.

Thoughts?

I'm not suggesting we fire him, but what happenes if the above scenario of death plays out? We would have to do something right?

The coaching displayed in that game is unsettling, but, I’ve thought all along that the expectations of many State fans did not line up with a near complete turnover in coaching staff and a starting quarterback who’s primary strength is running returning from a serious leg injury. Coaches need 3-4 years, typically to make their mark. We should give this staff at least two seasons before getting negative because they don’t have to rebuild a roster. I’m more concerned about the morale of the team after a beat down by Kentucky.

 

[Shamoan]

We have problems on both sides of the ball. One side is stocked with NFL talent and the other is suited to dominate in one phase of the game but has a weakness in the other (passing). 3 years from now, is Moorhead considered a top 8 sec coach?

 

[Dawg1976]

That would be about our luck too. Go 6-6 with good talent then follow up with a 3-9 when OM is down after all their problems. At this point it would be a no brainer to fire the HC and AD. Nothing will happen to Moorhead after year one unless he pulls a Hugh Freeze.

 

[DAWG61]

If Jomo goes 6-6 with this amount talent, he’ll go 3-9 next year.

Not with Key, Kylin, Guidry and Osirus we won't go 3-9. Moorhead can't possibly continue to call as ****** offensive games as last night over the next 1.5 years.

 

[Drebin]

Not with Key, Kylin, Guidry and Osirus we won't go 3-9. Moorhead can't possibly continue to call as ****** offensive games as last night over the next 1.5 years.

Maybe you should go back and look at what we lose next year, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

That's why a lot of the anger is justified. You can't lose to fricking Kentucky with this roster.

And before you say this isn't the same kentucky....wait until you watch them lose to Carolina and get blown out by Georgia. We are going to be spending the rest of the year wondering how we lost to that team.

 

[DAWG61]

Maybe you should go back and look at what we lose next year, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

That's why a lot of the anger is justified. You can't lose to fricking Kentucky with this roster.

And before you say this isn't the same kentucky....wait until you watch them lose to Carolina and get blown out by Georgia. We are going to be spending the rest of the year wondering how we lost to that team.

We won't lose 9 games next year with Key as our QB. Period. Moorhead's play-calling last night was the worst it will ever be or he'll be getting another job.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

Well, I would say it’s unchartered territory. I never remember a time with this much talent, a first year coach and expectations placed on that coach but yet having a losing season. One thing to consider here though. Is Kentucky 10-2 good or 11-1 good? I know it’s hard to fathom but is state’s 2014 season their 2018? Look at the schedule - they could lose at Texas AnM and GA but lucky them they get a home vs Georgia —Either this or I am Not sure if I have ever had this much Confusion as to what’s the identity of this team after last night.

Not even. They essentially beat us with two players we couldn’t contain last night. 26 and 41. Everybody else for UK played their “roles”, including the QB. UK will lose 4 games for sure. They just exposed who MSU is. And MSU is NOT a contender. No magic bullet is going to fix MSU and Two players for UK are not going to dictate their games with South Carolina, Georgia and Missouri.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

you seriously Clark? what have you seen from Key that makes this system work any better than it did last night? Why do you think we will majorly successful next year? next year is more of rebuilding year than any. It will be Key's first season as full time starter. We lose some guys on the line. We lose a bunch of guys on defense. I would imagine this defense will be not be even as close as good next year. If we don't win big this year, I don't expect to win big again for another 3-4 years and that is if Moorhead can get guys to run his offense like he likes it. i'm still not sold his offensive style and philosophy can be successful here. When is the last time we at MSU had a qb that could really throw accurately and we had the offensive line to pass protect for him? Dak was the best we ever had, and his senior year when it meant the most we couldn't pass block to save our lives. We looked better than we did this year, but we will only finished mid teir with a Belk Bowl trying to pass all the time. 2012 when we tried be a finesse team with Russell it never worked. We got our *** kicked by Northwestern in Gator Bowl because it made us soft. I saw a lot of the same stuff last night. We have the weapons to be a physical Bulldog team but we try to finesse and look like ****. Mississippi State has never been a finesse team and been successful. Just not our identity.

 

[BELdog]

All I’ve heard is that it takes time for Moorhead’s offense to click. We’re four games into the season, with a QB that can’t throw the ball to save his life and an offensive line that looks thoroughly confused. Last night was an embarrassment, but it was stuff that can be cleaned up. I think we all had high hopes because of talent level and not enough of us considered how vastly different Moorhead’s scheme is from the athlete’s we’ve spent the last nine years recruiting. The defense is good, if undisciplined. The offense was trash last night; absolute hot-*** garbage. If we don’t see the penalties get cleaned up, and the confusion on offense start to disappear by the time we play LSU, I’ll be seriously worried about this coaching staff. Until then, I’m in a holding pattern. I do wish Moorhead would incorporate some of Muffin’s offense just to play to our strengths, but that isn’t going to happen. Last night sucked, but I don’t don’t think it’s time to light a fire under Joe’s seat. College football fans are the most fickle bunch of folks in the world.

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

I’d fire his *** no matter what if that happens. That’s completely and totally unacceptable. Cohen can go with him too.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

I expect to be competitive

and at least look like we have our stuff together.


I understand being out manned, and all that, but when we are like Dorothy in a whirlwind.


Screw it, we can do better.

Time will tell.

 

[NWADawg]

He and most of his staff were hired as recruiters. If he has a bad year or two while bringing in max talent, you give him some time. If he has a couple bad years and recruiting is mediocre or worse, then we have to start making business decisions.

 

[codeDawg]

Guys. We lost to a good team playing their minds out at home that exposed our weakest position group. The OL has a lot of work to do. We’ve seen what the rest of the team can do when Fitz has time and there are running lanes. We’ll be fine if they can clean up that group.

 

[Drebin]

Guys. We lost to a good team playing their minds out at home that exposed our weakest position group. The OL has a lot of work to do. We’ve seen what the rest of the team can do when Fitz has time and there are running lanes. We’ll be fine if they can clean up that group.

You'll see how good Kentucky is when they play Carolina and Georgia.

There is no valid excuse for losing that game to that team.

 

[rcdawg08]

If we go 6-6 with losses to fl and om then we have the wrong coach. No way any decent coach with the talent level on this team should win only 6 games. I am not ready to fire him yet since i do believe Kentucky is a good team but if we finish 6-6 then we have hired a 2nd version of Croom. As a program we cannot go backwards that far. We have come to far and the road to where we are has been hard earned. 6-6 will not cut it. Sorry but he needs to be shown the door immediately. That being said i don't think that will be the case. I think our record will be more like 8-4, 9-3 anything less just hell no...

 

[johnson86-1]

Guys. We lost to a good team playing their minds out at home that exposed our weakest position group. The OL has a lot of work to do. We’ve seen what the rest of the team can do when Fitz has time and there are running lanes. We’ll be fine if they can clean up that group.

U.K. Was not playing out of their minds. Allen was just doing what he is capable of against OTs that we're overmatched.

Half the teams U.K. plays won't have an OT that can handle Allen one on one all night. He would wreck all of them if they refused to give their OT any help. But We will be the only team they play that refuses to provide their OTs any help until the 4th quarter.

 

[Bruce Dakinson]

The question is if we go 6-6 and lose to dan and om, what do we do?

We keep him and trust that he will make proper personal changes if needed and have time to implement his system a couple players hes recruited. He's a new coach and I don't know if you guys have looked around lately... but we are Mississippi State and not the Patriots. Lets try a little faith? eh?

 

[Bruce Dakinson]

I’d fire his *** no matter what if that happens. That’s completely and totally unacceptable. Cohen can go with him too.

You seem very patient.

 

[OrlandoLundie]

I love a big glass of maroon Kool-aid as much as the next guy, but I’m not exactly sure this roster is as good as everyone thinks. Great d-line, sure. But we’ve got a one-dimensional QB, iffy o-line, and thin LB’s and secondary that are about to get tested when the meat of the season comes. 8-4 always seemed like the ceiling.

 

[tatedog]

History says anything beyond 8 regular season wins is truly special for us, and there is nothing special about this team so far. Time will tell.

You summed it up pretty well, but outside of our D-line there is nothing that separates us from the rest of the SEC.

 

[DAWG61]

you seriously Clark? what have you seen from Key that makes this system work any better than it did last night? Why do you think we will majorly successful next year? next year is more of rebuilding year than any. It will be Key's first season as full time starter. We lose some guys on the line. We lose a bunch of guys on defense. I would imagine this defense will be not be even as close as good next year. If we don't win big this year, I don't expect to win big again for another 3-4 years and that is if Moorhead can get guys to run his offense like he likes it. i'm still not sold his offensive style and philosophy can be successful here. When is the last time we at MSU had a qb that could really throw accurately and we had the offensive line to pass protect for him? Dak was the best we ever had, and his senior year when it meant the most we couldn't pass block to save our lives. We looked better than we did this year, but we will only finished mid teir with a Belk Bowl trying to pass all the time. 2012 when we tried be a finesse team with Russell it never worked. We got our *** kicked by Northwestern in Gator Bowl because it made us soft. I saw a lot of the same stuff last night. We have the weapons to be a physical Bulldog team but we try to finesse and look like ****. Mississippi State has never been a finesse team and been successful. Just not our identity.

Holy **** you're melting. I said there's no way possible we will lose 9 games next year with Key. That means we ain't going 3-9. You have to be worse than Croom level bad to go 3-9. Key is good. He beat Louisville in his first start with like 1 coach on the sidelines. We'll be ok guys. It's not going to rain for an entire game every Saturday.

 

[Junction John]

Good lord.

You don't fire the coach, you fire the guy that hired him.

So under this scenario, you don't fire Moorhead, but you do fire John Cohen for Moorhead's team underperforming this year???... You just burn down the whole athletic department because of a disappointing football season? Man, you didn't live through the 80's, did you? How about the 2000's?

I think the UK loss has done some real damage to our fanbase's psyche.