Projecting the suspension for Derek Willis

[BBUK_anon]

Find it interesting several have mentioned UNC, Louisville, and Coach K in regards what might or might not happen if Willis was a player at one of these 3 schools.
He is not at one of those 3 schools, he is at UK. Cal will no doubt do it fairly, and he could get 1 or 3 or 5 game suspension or more or no suspension with extra running, community service, speaking to elem. school/middle school students with a " Don't be like me " theme.
Regardless, he needs to be disclipined in some way, this was a bad decision on Willis' part, and no doubt he will learn a lesson from it.

You'd hope he does but at this point who knows...speculation comes with a message board (I guess) but I'd rather wait until a decision is made on punishment and go from that point but even after that the decision won't please all (even on this board). At stake is Willis going forward. He can't change the past but he can change his future. I hope he can.

 

[.S&C.]

You're kidding right? Yeah, the certain part of the political spectrum called a court of "justice" convicted them with a jury of their peers.

And no, there is no difference. Every citizen in this country, regardless of the crime, is innocent until proven guilty. That's what the constitution states, and some silly little message board poster like yourself will never supersede that doctrine in this country. No matter what your post to like ratio is.

Any American that says things that directly oppose the constitution is not an American in a metaphorical sense. What you are saying, no matter how you word it, directly contradicts the wording of the constitution that men and women have died to protect. And quite honestly, is very disrespectful and not in good taste.

you're wild.

 

[Jmeeks54thebest]

you're wild.

I'm American. What are you?

 

[.S&C.]

I'm American. What are you?

Today?

 

[Snarks]

Why no comment from Cal or UK on this? I'm a Willis fan, but to have him signing autographs at the father son camp less than a week later seems a little ridiculous.

 

[ulismyman]

Maybe thats part of the punishment...go face the public after your arrest video is out for everyone to see...lets see how you deal with that

 

[Monroe Claxton]

Why no comment from Cal or UK on this? I'm a Willis fan, but to have him signing autographs at the father son camp less than a week later seems a little ridiculous.

I don't think Cal can comment on an ongoing investigation, but I would not want to be Derek Willis when Cal gets back from the NBA Draft

 

[BBUK_anon]

Why no comment from Cal or UK on this? I'm a Willis fan, but to have him signing autographs at the father son camp less than a week later seems a little ridiculous.

Why deprive a young child who doesn't know better a chance to see a UK star? later on is later on....

 

[Aike]

Cal doesn't make a habit of publicity throwing players under the bus.

 

[BlueRunner11]

Why no comment from Cal or UK on this? I'm a Willis fan, but to have him signing autographs at the father son camp less than a week later seems a little ridiculous.

Less than a week? He was signing autographs for the Overnight Camp my son was at little more than 12 hours (Sunday 1pmish) after his arrest early in the am. He looked terrible.

We've all done dumb things though especially in college we regret. Fortunate no one got seriously hurt. Wait to all the evidence is in, suspend him for a preseason game or two and have him do some community service and chalk it up to a lesson learned.

 

[catsfanbgky]

Cal has had coaches get DUI's and did not put it out there in the media , he will handle the Willis situation in house. He will be punished (as he should) but without knowing ALL the facts, I am not willing to put my opinion of what it should be on record. Assuming this or maybe this happened, or this could of happened, is not a very fair or fundamental way of setting punishment to crime. We will never know nor should we know all the facts with what happened, so whatever punishment comes, I am good with, I believe the coach will do what is right / fair for all parties involved,,, except for what the fans want... thank goodness.

 

[CELTICAT]

Every citizen in this country, regardless of the crime, is innocent until proven guilty. That's what the constitution states, and some silly little message board poster like yourself will never supersede that doctrine in this country. No matter what your post to like ratio is.

Any American that says things that directly oppose the constitution is not an American in a metaphorical sense. What you are saying, no matter how you word it, directly contradicts the wording of the constitution that men and women have died to protect. And quite honestly, is very disrespectful and not in good taste.

I'm just curious if you could tell me where presumption of innocence is located in the US Constitution?

 

[Jmeeks54thebest]

I'm just curious if you could tell me where presumption of innocence is located in the US Constitution?

It is not worded specifically as being there, but the concept is provided by things that are in there. Such as the right to remain silent, the right to a jury, the right to an attorney (including if you cannot afford one, one will be provided to you), etc. So in effect, the US constitution does provide and protect every American as innocent until proven guilty.

The concept originally came from our parent country, England and has been apart of our system so long that it is considered common law in our culture.

Any other high school US history questions?

 

[CELTICAT]

It is not worded specifically as being there, but the concept is provided by things that are in there. Such as the right to remain silent, the right to a jury, the right to an attorney (including if you cannot afford one, one will be provided to you), etc. So in effect, the US constitution does provide and protect every American as innocent until proven guilty.

The concept originally came from our parent country, England and has been apart of our system so long that it is considered common law in our culture.

Any other high school US history questions?

So when you said "it's what the constitution states" you meant, it's not explicitly stated anywhere but has been held by SCOTUS to follow from the 5th, 6th, and 14th amendments?

As a follow up, are you aware that "the court of public opinion" is not actually a court, and that lay opinion may be formed without due process?

 

[Jmeeks54thebest]

So when you said "it's what the constitution states" you meant, it's not explicitly stated anywhere but has been held by SCOTUS to follow from the 5th, 6th, and 14th amendments?

As a follow up, are you aware that "the court of public opinion" is not actually a court, and that lay opinion may be formed without due process?

What I meant is that it is stated in the constitution by reading between the lines. If you don't understand that documents state things that aren't explicitly said than I don't know what to tell you.

I never once said that people are forced to comply their opinions with the constitution. People have the liberty to think what they want to think, and say what they want to say without legal consequence. However, that spirit of the constitution draws from public opinion and if we continue down this path of assuming people are guilty without due process then we may, someday, have a legal court that does not hold that principle.

I realize my views are more patriotic than others, but these ideals were once the public opinion that formed our country. As a nation we have done a great job of making moral changes to the constitution (I.e slavery) but we need to be careful about changing the parts that protect us.