Predictions: When/Who-the first real leak.

[SuperBigFan]

I think it is safe to say that Trev has done a great job (maybe) of not letting info get out. So when do you think we get that first leak (and will it be an intentional leak by the school? and who will it be about?)

I think we hear something on Thursday, I think it comes from a local writer and I think it will be about Luke F.

 

[RedCap_rivals330392]

I'm not expecting a leak if Trev has been able to keep it a secret so far. I'm expecting an official announcement either after the Friday game has concluded or later that weekend. Unless of course the new coach is involved in a conference playoff at his current school, then it might still happen later.

 

[SuperBigFan]

I'm not expecting a leak if Trev has been able to keep it a secret so far. I'm expecting an official announcement either after the Friday game has concluded or later that weekend. Unless of course the new coach is involved in a conference playoff at his current school, then it might still happen later.

Wow, no leak at all?

That would be super impressive and probably almost unheard of but like you said, there has been nothing so far.

 

[Hford]

This weekend at the earliest, the only question is whether it will be a disappointment or not

 

[TruHusker]

This weekend at the earliest, the only question is whether it will be a disappointment or not

it is a guaranteed disappointment for some - no way around that.

 

[Headcard]

I think it is safe to say that Trev has done a great job (maybe) of not letting info get out. So when do you think we get that first leak (and will it be an intentional leak by the school? and who will it be about?)

I think we hear something on Thursday, I think it comes from a local writer and I think it will be about Luke F.

Luke F will be coaching in the AAC Championship game Dec. 3, and we would not want anything before that game.

 

[dinglefritz]

I'm not expecting a leak if Trev has been able to keep it a secret so far. I'm expecting an official announcement either after the Friday game has concluded or later that weekend. Unless of course the new coach is involved in a conference playoff at his current school, then it might still happen later.

I think there’s been leaks already but they’ve been misdirection as bargaining tools. Rhule’s agent has crafted some carefully worded statements for Rhule to Let people know he’s in no hurry. On our side Trev used the “good steward” comment to convey he isn’t going to full on Michigan State or A$M. Lots of posturing and I have no doubt some of our newbies posting it’s Leipold are people from our camp trying to apply pressure to an agent to get a deal done

The whole process is very interesting to me. High stakes contract negotiations are fun to watch. In my experience attorneys pull some almost comical stunts during negotiations. 20+ years ago on a steamy July day my attorney ushered me out of a conference room during final negotiations on a sale of one of my businesses. The brokerage company was here from Denver in the room with the buyers. We were down to small differences. After we walked out my attorney turned off the AC to the conference room and took me into his office where we sat having a pop and watching baseball on his TV. After letting them sweat for about 20 minutes we went back in and they agreed to all of our terms

 

[dinglefritz]

Luke F will be coaching in the AAC Championship game Dec. 3, and we would not want anything before that game.

People need to be patient. Being the first to blink is not a good negotiating tool.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

It's all posturing. Some of the leaks are genuine, some are smoke screens.

If Alberts doesn't have his guy locked up by now, then it could be a couple of weeks before it is announced. If he does, it will be announced this weekend or Monday at the latest.

 

[mikecanale]

Luke F will be coaching in the AAC Championship game Dec. 3, and we would not want anything before that game.

I agree.

 

[dinglefritz]

It's all posturing. Some of the leaks are genuine, some are smoke screens.

If Alberts doesn't have his guy locked up by now, then it could be a couple of weeks before it is announced. If he does, it will be announced this weekend or Monday at the latest.

Rhule’s agent is in a great spot right now. IMO things shift our way after this weekend. It would be interesting to know for sure what Auburn is going to do. Was the Tweet about Kiffin taking Auburn’s job a plant from NU to make Rhule’s agent squirm? . fun times

 

[RedCap_rivals330392]

Luke F will be coaching in the AAC Championship game Dec. 3, and we would not want anything before that game.

Ha, yes Luke would be my choice too but I don't think it will be him. But who knows, one can always hope!

 

[maplesyrup95]

I think there’s been leaks already but they’ve been misdirection as bargaining tools. Rhule’s agent has crafted some carefully worded statements for Rhule to Let people know he’s in no hurry. On our side Trev used the “good steward” comment to convey he isn’t going to full on Michigan State or A$M. Lots of posturing and I have no doubt some of our newbies posting it’s Leipold are people from our camp trying to apply pressure to an agent to get a deal done

The whole process is very interesting too. High stakes contract negotiations are fun to watch. In my experience attorneys pull some almost comical stunts during negotiations. 20+ years ago on a steamy July day my attorney ushered me out of a conference room during final negotiations on a sale of one of my businesses. The brokerage company was here from Denver in the room with the buyers. We were down to small differences. After we walked out my attorney turned off the AC to the conference room and took me into his office where we sat having a pop and watching baseball on his TV. After letting them sweat for about 20 minutes we went back in and they agreed to all of our terms

That’s a great analogy. Behind closed doors the men/women in suits are essentially deciding if gets the couch/TVs/hottub stays or goes. (i.e. Mickey gets X amount of dollars; Mickey gets X role/job title, Mickey is gone). A deal very well might be signed, maybe not.

So far, Alberts has done an excellent job of not repeating what Steve Pedersen messed up so poorly: letting the process play out in public for all to see.

 

[RedCap_rivals330392]

I think there’s been leaks already but they’ve been misdirection as bargaining tools. Rhule’s agent has crafted some carefully worded statements for Rhule to Let people know he’s in no hurry. On our side Trev used the “good steward” comment to convey he isn’t going to full on Michigan State or A$M. Lots of posturing and I have no doubt some of our newbies posting it’s Leipold are people from our camp trying to apply pressure to an agent to get a deal done

The whole process is very interesting to. High stakes contract negotiations are fun to watch. In my experience attorneys pull some almost comical stunts during negotiations. 20+ years ago on a steamy July day my attorney ushered me out of a conference room during final negotiations on a sale of one of my businesses. The brokerage company was here from Denver in the room with the buyers. We were down to small differences. After we walked out my attorney turned off the AC to the conference room and took me into his office where we sat having a pop and watching baseball on his TV. After letting them sweat for about 20 minutes we went back in and they agreed to all of our terms

Yes, lot's of motives for planting false "leaks". And don't forget that fans of rival teams also like to mess with the fanbase of their opponents by planting false rumors about their coaches. See Kansas State - Kansas. Ha!

 

[BleedRed78]

Friday evening - "official" leak through local media or perhaps broader social media that the local guys pick up and run with.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Rhule’s agent is in a great spot right now. IMO things shift our way after this weekend. It would be interesting to know for sure what Auburn is going to do. Was the Tweet about Kiffin taking Auburn’s job a plant from NU to make Rhule’s agent squirm? . fun times

I guess I see it differently.

From Rhule's perspective it is a game of musical chairs now.

The only jobs that are going to open going forward are lesser jobs, West Virginia, Navy, New Mexico, Texas St. I can't imagine Nebraska is competing for a coach with those schools. IF those schools even make a change.

So you have Auburn, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Arizona St, Georgia Tech and Colorado in the P5. Then South Florida and UAB have openings.

Wisconsin is going to hire Lenhard. So that eliminates a chair

Colorado, Arizona St, Georgia Tech aren't going to hire Rhule. If Nebraska is a heavy lift, those schools are heavier.

If Auburn wanted him, they would have already hired him. If Auburn hires Kiffin, then Ole Miss is open, again a heavier lift than Nebraska considering the division they play in and the additions of Oklahoma and Texas coming in. Having no divisions in the SEC makes that job even tougher.

If Auburn hires Freeze, that only leaves Liberty as a new opening. He isn't going there.

If the Rhule's agent doesn't want to get paid this year, representing Rhule, he is in a great position, because the chairs that will be left, aren't that great.

 

[maplesyrup95]

A lot of the leak comes down to Public Relations. Alberts let Frost go very strategically before the week of Big Noon Kickoff vs Oklahoma. We might have lost the game that day, but we won PR for that day.

He will do no less in announcing the next Head Coach – strategically. I don’t know when, but if that cards fall the way he envisions, Alberts will do everything in his power to avoid a PR disaster for NU, which is why I think the Nebraska camp will announce the head coach, not any media members.

 

[K_Y_E]

I hope it’s Klieman.

 

[dinglefritz]

I guess I see it differently.

From Rhule's perspective it is a game of musical chairs now.

The only jobs that are going to open going forward are lesser jobs, West Virginia, Navy, New Mexico, Texas St. I can't imagine Nebraska is competing for a coach with those schools. IF those schools even make a change.

So you have Auburn, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Arizona St, Georgia Tech and Colorado in the P5. Then South Florida and UAB have openings.

Wisconsin is going to hire Lenhard. So that eliminates a chair

Colorado, Arizona St, Georgia Tech aren't going to hire Rhule. If Nebraska is a heavy lift, those schools are heavier.

If Auburn wanted him, they would have already hired him. If Auburn hires Kiffin, then Ole Miss is open, again a heavier lift than Nebraska considering the division they play in and the additions of Oklahoma and Texas coming in. Having no divisions in the SEC makes that job even tougher.

If Auburn hires Freeze, that only leaves Liberty as a new opening. He isn't going there.

If the Rhule's agent doesn't want to get paid this year, representing Rhule, he is in a great position, because the chairs that will be left, aren't that great.

Rhule’s agent had a client who is getting paid this next year no matter what. That allows them to negotiate from a position of strength. Hell PSU could still open up. I’ve listened to some talking heads who believe Franklin is going to Auburn. IF that happens Rhule’s hand gets even stronger. This weekend could get VERY interesting.

 

[redwine65]

I don't see rhule coaching high school or canadian football

 

[Husker4real_rivals373787]

You seem to be suggesting that all of the leaks we have read the past 2 months have not been credible…even the barbershop one. It’s almost as if I shouldn’t take everything I read on the internet too seriously.

 

[jteten]

If the decision and an accepted offer hasn’t already been executed, then damn, that’s not good. At all.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Rhule’s agent had a client who is getting paid this next year no matter what. That allows them to negotiate from a position of strength. Hell PSU could still open up. I’ve listened to some talking heads who believe Franklin is going to Auburn. IF that happens Rhule’s hand gets even stronger. This weekend could get VERY interesting.

Rhule's agent already got paid and getting paid for that contract. If Rhule sits out, no new contract, no new money.

Rhule loses all negotiating leverage if Penn St opens. It appears to be the dream job, Penn St holds the cards there.

edit - if Rhule wants to coach in 2023. IF he doesn't then he could just say, I don't want to.

 

[HuskerOH_rivals315145]

If nothing has been announced by Saturday night, then the new coach is still coaching. A coach still coaching can walk away if they float something...

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

I expect an announcement on Monday. If not, that means it might be Luke.

 

[regoratsginrom]

I hope it’s Klieman.

He will likely be coaching in the B12 championship game, which would delay an announcement (and get very close to the early signing day).

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

I expect an announcement on Monday. If not, that means it might be Luke.

or Monken

 

[dinglefritz]

Rhule's agent already got paid and getting paid for that contract. If Rhule sits out, no new contract, no new money.

Rhule loses all negotiating leverage if Penn St opens. It appears to be the dream job, Penn St holds the cards there.

Sure and IMO he would probably take whatever PSU offered. Totally different circumstances for him. IN that case we would have to break the bank to get him.

My point in starting the discussion about agents, leverage and negotiations is to try to make people understand that it isn’t as simple as offering the moon to get what you want. People are hanging on every rumor and giving unrealistic deadlines. We need to be patient.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Sure and IMO he would probably take whatever PSU offered. Totally different circumstances for him. IN that case we would have to break the bank to get him.

My point in starting the discussion about agents, leverage and negotiations is to try to make people understand that it isn’t as simple as offering the moon to get what you want. People are hanging on every rumor and giving unrealistic deadlines. We need to be patient.

History shows that ADs that have a plan and their guy aren't waiting weeks to announce the new coach.

Brian Kelly announced at LSU November 30, Lincoln Riley announced at USC November 28, both right after the season ended, both coaches had additional games left in the season.

 

[dinglefritz]

History shows that ADs that have a plan and their guy aren't waiting weeks to announce the new coach.

Brian Kelly announced at LSU November 30, Lincoln Riley announced at USC November 28, both right after the season ended, both coaches had additional games left in the season.

We don’t have the roster, recruiting base or bank account IMO that those 2 schools have. I don’t see us being able to use the SIZE of money whip that USC did.

I think Husker fans need to realize we aren’t what we think we are. We aren’t a 10 anymore. We’re an 8 maybe on a good day. I know that will piss some people off but it’s the truth. It’s better than being Iowa St or KSU but we’re not at the top as far as attractiveness of jobs.

 

[ohio_husker]

Luke F will be coaching in the AAC Championship game Dec. 3, and we would not want anything before that game.

I cannot make myself hope that is realistic. Would be Trev's 450ft shot out of the park.

 

[Headcard]

It's not coming from Fred.

 

[dinglefritz]

I cannot make myself hope that is realistic. Would be Trev's 450ft shot out of the park.

See and I would rather have DeBoer or Rhule. To each his own.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

We don’t have the roster, recruiting base or bank account IMO that those 2 schools have. I don’t see us being able to use the SIZE of money whip that USC did.

I think Husker fans need to realize we aren’t what we think we are. We aren’t a 10 anymore. We’re an 8 maybe on a good day. I know that will piss some people off but it’s the truth. It’s better than being Iowa St or KSU but we’re not at the top as far as attractiveness of jobs.

That has nothing to do with being a 10 as compared to an eight. You can be an eight and still have your guy in place and not waiting for weeks.

If Trev Alberts is speaking with as many people as he says, he is, then he is going to know we are an eight. Again that has nothing to do with him already having his guy in place and set to make an announcement this weekend or Monday.

But I disagree with the fact that Nebraska can’t become an elite program again.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

History shows that ADs that have a plan and their guy aren't waiting weeks to announce the new coach.

Brian Kelly announced at LSU November 30, Lincoln Riley announced at USC November 28, both right after the season ended, both coaches had additional games left in the season.

It seems most of the time when a deal has been stuck, that newly hired coach is ready to move on from his old school to the new one.

Of course, both Pelini and Frost were allowed to coach their previous teams in the bowl games. NU is nice like that.....

I'm hoping that Trev just wants to get it right. The next coach will know how much work there is to do at this school from the first day he walks in to take charge.

I'm going to give any new HC a chance for 1 1/2 years, but, I know if, IF, NU gets "stuck" with Monken or Doeren, I'm just gonna smh and wonder how many times NU was actually turned down by guys who the fan base may have loved to have had Trev hired.

I'd sooner get on board with Viegen, Garrett Riley, Kendall Briles as an up-and-coming young guy, or even Leipold who at least would probably flip this roster to cut out a lot of sub-P5 guys.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

That has nothing to do with being a 10 as compared to an eight. You can be an eight and still have your guy in place and not waiting for weeks.

If Trev Alberts is speaking with as many people as he says, he is, then he is going to know we are an eight. Again that has nothing to do with him already having his guy in place and set to make an announcement this weekend or Monday.

But I disagree with the fact that Nebraska can’t become an elite program again.

We all know NU has been irrelevant for a decade and even in the Pelini years was a cut below the really elite schools.

Just the simple fact that, in history, a few chosen guys have existed that turn programs around in a quick hurry. Meyer, of course, and Bob Stoops are exceptions, but look at how far Kelly has raised LSU in one year in a really difficult conference. It's not out of the question that LSU could contend for a National title in year 2.

These were all serious head coaches, guys who had the plan to win despite the shortcomings at any of the schools they transformed. NU is a much heavier lift than Florida, Ohio State, or Oklahoma because the raw material (returning players in the key position groups) isn't in place.

That's where the portal might come in that didn't exist for any of them except Kelly.

We live in a day where a really good QB can come in and transform the offense. The money can be made available to purchase some players on a one-year basis through the portal.

Maybe there is one guy out there that can raise this program from the abyss. We need him.

Is it a pipedream for NU? Of course. Is it likely? Mostly No. Is it impossible? NO

 

[dinglefritz]

That has nothing to do with being a 10 as compared to an eight. You can be an eight and still have your guy in place and not waiting for weeks.

If Trev Alberts is speaking with as many people as he says, he is, then he is going to know we are an eight. Again that has nothing to do with him already having his guy in place and set to make an announcement this weekend or Monday.

But I disagree with the fact that Nebraska can’t become an elite program again.

I didn’t say we couldn’t become a top program again. My point is that we’re a long hard road away from that right now

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

I didn’t say we couldn’t become a top program again. My point is that we’re a long hard road away from that right now

No, you just gave an excuse as to why LSU and USC were able to announce their hires immediately and potentially why Nebraska may have to wait.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

I didn’t say we couldn’t become a top program again. My point is that we’re a long hard road away from that right now

Seems like a million miles away.

I think NU only has 3 guys on offense and 3 on defense that are good enough to play for most of the top teams in the country. So, other than the kickers, that leaves 16 spots where NU lacks the talent and that's gigantic.

That means a new coach and his staff need to evaluate who has the "potential" to develop and who doesn't. Those that don't need to bid a fond farewell.

I'm still of the belief that a couple of the OL actually have the ability to become above-average players IF the right S & C man is hired. A change in lifting requirements, a commitment to getting those fat, lazy players in shape and pounding some aggressiveness into them.

I still shake my head when I see Benhart listed as #1 on the depth chart at RT. To think that's the best NU has is really disheartening. 25 starts or so and he's still a turnstile. He's a guy you almost have to get help every snap that is a pass play.

An incoming coach could watch the film of the OL and it wouldn't take long for them to know why NU has had so many losing seasons in a row. And the fact the HCs were content to let the kid(s) still start.

 

[redwine65]

there's been no leak but alot of condensation due to elements beyond trev's controll.