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CatColumbia

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I spoke a year ago with a former Husker DB from Florida who played in the NFL. He told me then that this is going to take at least 5 years to get it to elite level and that’s the expedited prediction. More likely 7 years.. Give Frost his time to recruit his guys. 2 years isn’t enough. I thought he was being conservative because I was drunk on the kool aid.. Tonight made me realize how far away we are from competing with the elite teams.

What we saw tonight was their 3-5 year former High School AA that have been properly developed vs our 3-5 year guys who are learning to play in a new culture. On offense we have a lot of freshmen and sophomores going up against the wolves. If anything we should be judging how our starters played against their second string in the 4th quarter, which I felt we were on par (except on that goal line).

Tonight reminds me a bit of Bo vs Mizzou were we got waxed. That team bounced back nicely by beating the teams they should have. Will this team do the same? Let’s see.

Having said that, we’re not ready yet to beat Wisky so chalk that as a loss. The other games are 50/50. Don’t give up folks. We can still get 7-8 wins this year.

GBR
 
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BrighteRed24_rivals190920

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dinglefritz said:
Don't be stupid.
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I’m not being stupid. Don’t run from reality. As a fellow husker fan, please just accept where we are as a program.

If we would have been down 28-10 or 31-7 at halftime I would have a different tune. We were down 38-0 and it was a carbon copy of 2 years ago when we were down 42-0 at half. The question is where do we go from here?

Do you remember when Michigan last year would be the low point? What is this?
 
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F5Tornado

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jlb321 said:
Bo got waxed by Mizzou in year 1. In year 2 he beat them on the road and won the division.
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To be fair, Missouri then or any other time couldn't come within 4 td's of this Ohio State team, they have so much NFL caliber talent it's not even funny. And Bo's team that year would have gotten smacked around in the same manner even with that defense, the same defense that let Texas Tech come into Lincoln and light them up the same year.
 
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SoFL Husker

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CatColumbia said:
I spoke a year ago with a former Husker DB from Florida who played in the NFL. He told me then that this is going to take at least 5 years to get it to elite level and that’s the expedited prediction. More likely 7 years.. Give Frost his time to recruit his guys. 2 years isn’t enough. I thought he was being conservative because I was drunk on the kool aid.. Tonight made me realize how far away we are from competing with the elite teams.

What we saw tonight was their 3-5 year former High School AA that have been properly developed vs our 3-5 year guys who are learning to play in a new culture. On offense we have a lot of freshmen and sophomores going up against the wolves. If anything we should be judging how our starters played against their second string in the 4th quarter, which I felt we were on par (except on that goal line).

Tonight reminds me a bit of Bo vs Mizzou were we got waxed. That team bounced back nicely by beating the teams they should have. Will this team do the same? Let’s see.

Having said that, we’re not ready yet to beat Wisky so chalk that as a loss. The other games are 50/50. Don’t give up folks. We can still get 7-8 wins this year.

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I think the assumption that the ship will be "righted" is 50/50, at best.

What we should be worried about is recruiting classes.

This team is woefully undermanned on the OL. Our DL can hold a spot but there is no real pass rush. They get moved around and there is no pursuit. That is right now, this year.

Nebraska needs a major upgrade on the OL/DL, to start. At a minimum.

Our DL recruiting doesn't look NEARLY GOOD ENOUGH right now. Our OL recruiting has been pretty good.

You can't just keep making some sort of "give this time" excuse. Recruiting happens in real time. Right now, I don't see it on the DL.

And that is just the building blocks of a descent team.
 
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EATAFAT1

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Be nice to see some competitive games with the "big boys" again. Not sure how many years I got left in me.
 
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CameronKrazie86

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My first thought is Nebraska is a long ways away from the big boys. A long ways.

My second thought is can we please get a center who can snap the ball below eye level? It throws off the entire timing of the offense. Sit Jurgens if he can't fix it and find someone who can snap the damn ball.

Thirdly, the offensive line was overwhelmed from the start. It was bad.

Fourthly, Adrian was bad and so was everyone else.

Finally, the entire defense looked slow especially the linebackers. To say we need upgrades there seems like an understatement.

I said before the season I hoped to make a bowl game. That's still my hope.
 
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TheBeav815

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I understand that we can't expect to line up and smash OSU into the ground like it's 1995. What I can't understand is how we go out there and look like an FCS team in these games.

38-0 at halftime is about as bad as it gets. I know it takes time but how do they get beaten THAT badly?

How are we never the team that jumps up and gets somebody we shouldn't beat?
 
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c3o

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BrighteRed24 said:
I’m not being stupid. Don’t run from reality. As a fellow husker fan, please just accept where we are as a program.

If we would have been down 28-10 or 31-7 at halftime I would have a different tune. We were down 38-0 and it was a carbon copy of 2 years ago when we were down 42-0 at half. The question is where do we go from here?

Do you remember when Michigan last year would be the low point? What is this?
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The low point of this year or worse
 
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oldjar07

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jlb321 said:
Bo got waxed by Mizzou in year 1. In year 2 he beat them on the road and won the division.
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Exactly this is year 2 for Frost. Pelini and Frost started at basically the same level in what type of program they were inheriting. I don't know why so many fans are unwilling to admit that Frost should be doing a lot better.
 
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jlb321_rivals110621

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TheBeav815 said:
I understand that we can't expect to line up and smash OSU into the ground like it's 1995. What I can't understand is how we go out there and look like an FCS team in these games.

38-0 at halftime is about as bad as it gets. I know it takes time but how do they get beaten THAT badly?

How are we never the team that jumps up and gets somebody we shouldn't beat?
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We beat an undefeated MSU team that ended up in the final four in a night game in Lincoln with Mike Riley on the sidelines
 
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Harry Caray

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CameronKrazie86 said:
My first thought is Nebraska is a long ways away from the big boys. A long ways.

My second thought is can we please get a center who can snap the ball below eye level? It throws off the entire timing of the offense. Sit Jurgens if he can't fix it and find someone who can snap the damn ball.

Thirdly, the offensive line was overwhelmed from the start. It was bad.

Fourthly, Adrian was bad and so was everyone else.

Finally, the entire defense looked slow especially the linebackers. To say we need upgrades there seems like an understatement.

I said before the season I hoped to make a bowl game. That's still my hope.
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Exactly, there seems to be no accountability with these players. I was watching Clemson today, an offensive lineman got a false start and Dabo yanked him out of the game right away. Meanwhile, Martinez and Jurgens can't execute basic fundamentals, yet stay in the game.
 
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A team like North Carolina started a freshman quarterback today against one of the best defenses in the nation and they were a two point conversion away from winning. Their o-line and their QBs decision making was light years ahead of ours. On the defensive side of the ball they've also been completely decimated by injuries but they gave that Clemson offense all it wanted and more.

We clearly don't have the talent especially up front where I don't think we have a player that would crack OSU's two deep. Having said that the thing that concerns me most is this team is also poorly coached. There are missed blocks, missed tackles, horrible angles, and terrible decision making from the head coach all the way down to the water boy. Bear in mind this was all after a supposed good week of practice. Even if we get the talent I'm not convinced we'll be able to get the rest of it fixed.

We need at least five more years and we really need to expand the walk-on program to specifically target Offensive lineman as I believe we have those body types in abundance in our state. If every year we take 20 guys for O-line for the walk-on program and 1 or 2 pan out then we will have an extra 4-8 bodies every year. That will help with depth and with winning the battle in the trenches in the competitive B1G.
 
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SoFL Husker

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TheBeav815 said:
I understand that we can't expect to line up and smash OSU into the ground like it's 1995. What I can't understand is how we go out there and look like an FCS team in these games.

38-0 at halftime is about as bad as it gets. I know it takes time but how do they get beaten THAT badly?

How are we never the team that jumps up and gets somebody we shouldn't beat?
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Could have been 42-0, we held em to a FG!
 
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CatColumbia

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oldjar07 said:
Exactly this is year 2 for Frost. Pelini and Frost started at basically the same level in what type of program they were inheriting. I don't know why so many fans are unwilling to admit that Frost should be doing a lot better.
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Pelini inherited a boat load of talent from Callahan. Frost inherited Calibraska who didn’t believe in lifting weights.
 
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huskerfan1414

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CameronKrazie86 said:
My first thought is Nebraska is a long ways away from the big boys. A long ways.

My second thought is can we please get a center who can snap the ball below eye level? It throws off the entire timing of the offense. Sit Jurgens if he can't fix it and find someone who can snap the damn ball.

Thirdly, the offensive line was overwhelmed from the start. It was bad.

Fourthly, Adrian was bad and so was everyone else.

Finally, the entire defense looked slow especially the linebackers. To say we need upgrades there seems like an understatement.

I said before the season I hoped to make a bowl game. That's still my hope.
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Jurgens is our best option at center. He is a good blocker, especially for a redshirt freshman.
Frost is wrong a lot but I dont think hes wrong about jurgens’ potential.
 
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BrighteRed24_rivals190920

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c3o said:
The low point of this year or worse
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Haha. I was fooled. We lost by 46 to Michigan last year and then after the that the most we lost by was 17 to Wisconsin. I thought we turned the corner as a program. I thought a blow out loss like this was out of the question in the future. I was terribly wrong.

I don’t want to hear about youth on the o line, lack of development under the Riley regime, or OSU being a juggernaut this year. Same old excuses as every other year.

I’m ranting now. Tonight’s performance was disgusting
 
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jlb321_rivals110621

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huskerdude88 said:
We need at least five more years and we really need to expand the walk-on program to specifically target Offensive lineman as I believe we have those body types in abundance in our state. If every year we take 20 guys for O-line for the walk-on program and 1 or 2 pan out then we will have an extra 4-8 bodies every year. That will help with depth and with winning the battle in the trenches in the competitive B1G.
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Yes, the key to winning these key games against the likes of Ohio State is surely the walk-on program
 
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SoFL Husker

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huskerdude88 said:
A team like North Carolina started a freshman quarterback today against one of the best defenses in the nation and they were a two point conversion away from winning. Their o-line and their QBs decision making was light years ahead of ours. On the defensive side of the ball they've also been completely decimated by injuries but they gave that Clemson offense all it wanted and more.

We clearly don't have the talent especially up front where I don't think we have a player that would crack OSU's two deep. Having said that the thing that concerns me most is this team is also poorly coached. There are missed blocks, missed tackles, horrible angles, and terrible decision making from the head coach all the way down to the water boy. Bear in mind this was all after a supposed good week of practice. Even if we get the talent I'm not convinced we'll be able to get the rest of it fixed.

We need at least five more years and we really need to expand the walk-on program to specifically target Offensive lineman as I believe we have those body types in abundance in our state. If every year we take 20 guys for O-line for the walk-on program and 1 or 2 pan out then we will have an extra 4-8 bodies every year. That will help with depth and with winning the battle in the trenches in the competitive B1G.
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Our talent, overall, has sucked for 15 years. Recruiting fell off under Solich and got a little better when Cally was here, but has fallen off again in a big way into Riley and now Frost.

Tune in for Signing Day. We'll know more next year. This team will be fortunate to go 6-6 and become bowl eligible.

I look at our sideline and the guys on the field, and I hate to say it, but our guys are just too small/too slow.
 
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Husker Sledge

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How did Mac Brown almost beat a stacked Clemson team today? Nebraska's primetime blowouts are just getting old. Losing is one thing but getting throttled in Memorial Stadium at night is another. Doesn't matter how talented OSU is, tonight's game should have been fairly competitive at least. Oh well........on to the next game. Hopefully this crazy turnover problem will get fixed someday!
 
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Iroh

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Game does not affect the program trajectory much.. culture change is usually a 5-7 year process so the team needs to pick up and move on...
 
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c3o

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BrighteRed24 said:
Haha. I was fooled. We lost by 46 to Michigan last year and then after the that the most we lost by was 17 to Wisconsin. I thought we turned the corner as a program. I thought a blow out loss like this was out of the question in the future. I was terribly wrong.

I don’t want to hear about youth on the o line, lack of development under the Riley regime, or OSU being a juggernaut this year. Same old excuses as every other year.

I’m ranting now. Tonight’s performance was disgusting
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Dude, we suck. I’m not giving up on this staff because they give a f###. Our last staffs gave up and didn’t care.

We will get better. Just a lot slower than we want
 
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jlb321_rivals110621

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Iroh said:
Game does not affect the program trajectory much.. culture change is usually a 5-7 year process so the team needs to pick up and move on...
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5-7 years ?? RollingLaugh

Kirk Ferentz won 11 games and played in the Rose Bowl in year 4

We’re just going to keep tacking years on until we have some semblance of expectations because the alternative is too uncomfortable.
 
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CameronKrazie86

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Harry Caray said:
Exactly, there seems to be no accountability with these players. I was watching Clemson today, an offensive lineman got a false start and Dabo yanked him out of the game right away. Meanwhile, Martinez and Jurgens can't execute basic fundamentals, yet stay in the game.
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I just don't understand how the high snaps are acceptable. This is supposedly a timing based offense. Every time there's a high snap, it seems like it's a broken play right away because the timing is thrown off. Considering it's happening so frequently, it's handicapping yourself. How can you get into any kind of rhythmn when you're not sure where the snap is going?
 
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Harry Caray

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Husker Sledge said:
How did Mac Brown almost beat a stacked Clemson team today? Nebraska's primetime blowouts are just getting old. Losing is one thing but getting throttled in Memorial Stadium at night is another. Doesn't matter how talented OSU is, tonight's game should have been fairly competitive at least. Oh well........on to the next game. Hopefully this crazy turnover problem will get fixed someday!
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To be fair, Mack Brown lost to Appalachian State last week. College football can be weird sometimes.

The concerning thing is that we have been unimpressive in 4 out of 5 games so far.
 
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BlitzenBuck

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Within 2 years, ya'll will be ranked in the top ten/five. I know football and can see progress even now. Tonight you ran into a team that can win it all come January IMO. No shame in that.
 
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Ewooc

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I didn't expect for Frost to come in flip this thing right away. I knew it was going to take time to get back competing for BIG and National championships. What I did expect was to see growth and baby steps forward from Mike Riley. Again those baby steps didn't include a west championship this year or even beating Ohio st or Wisc or Iowa. They included just showing little improvements from week to week. I don't see it. I hear many say well yes we have improved over last year, last year we were 0-5 this year we are 3-2. If we take last years schedule to this point would we be 3-2? CU, Troy, Michigan, Purdue and Wisc. I honestly can not say with confidence this years team would not be 0-5. I doubt we would be 3-2. Again I am in no way, shape or form saying Frost needs to be fired. That is idiotic year 2. What Im saying is blame needs to stop being placed on horrible talent and Mike Riley. We have enough talent to not get destroyed year 2 the same as we got destroyed under MR. That is not progress, that is not baby step, that is staying the same.
 
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MOHUSKER

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oldjar07 said:
Exactly this is year 2 for Frost. Pelini and Frost started at basically the same level in what type of program they were inheriting. I don't know why so many fans are unwilling to admit that Frost should be doing a lot better.
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Pelini inherited a significant amount of talent from Callahan, I think at least 12 draft picks and countless free agent pickups. Nebraska was recruiting in the top 15, Pelini wasn’t the past few years and Riley wasn’t either. When Pelini came aboard we were slightly over a year removed from a conference title game appearance.

Our last CCG was in 2012, when the magical Pelini gave us 70 to an unranked and 5 loss Wisconsin squad.
 
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tick2266

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SoFL Husker said:
I think the assumption that the ship will be "righted" is 50/50, at best.

What we should be worried about is recruiting classes.

This team is woefully undermanned on the OL. Our DL can hold a spot but there is no real pass rush. They get moved around and there is no pursuit. That is right now, this year.

Nebraska needs a major upgrade on the OL/DL, to start. At a minimum.

Our DL recruiting doesn't look NEARLY GOOD ENOUGH right now. Our OL recruiting has been pretty good.

You can't just keep making some sort of "give this time" excuse. Recruiting happens in real time. Right now, I don't see it on the DL.

And that is just the building blocks of a descent team.
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I must disagree placing blame on recruiting. NE has averaged a 22nd overall recruiting rank over the last 5 years. I would expect a better performance tonight. Wisconsin has averaged 40th, Iowa averaged 49th, and Northwestern 56th over the same span. Coaches need to be held accountable
 
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