Recruiting/retention/development all fall in the same bucket. We’ve failed miserably in the latter 2.
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Recruiting/retention/development all fall in the same bucket. We’ve failed miserably in the latter 2.
Interesting that you left out Pelini when you mention recruiting falling off. He is just as much to blame as anyone for our lack of talent. He left the cupboard bare when he left and that is still having an impact.
If we are being honest, it wasn’t a three year rebuild under Riley. And we all know what happened to him.
Is Frost and his band of G5 coaches going to get 7 years to “rebuild?” He’s making 5 million a year and is sitting 7-10 at Nebraska. He should probably start developing guys and caring about defense and special teams.
Is Frost and his band of G5 coaches going to get 7 years to “rebuild?” He’s making 5 million a year and is sitting 7-10 at Nebraska. He should probably start developing guys and caring about defense and special teams.
I once watched a TV interview with a new coach and the person asked the coach how long he thought it would take to make the team a winner. The coach replied six years and when the person asked why six years he said because he had a six year contract.
We never wanted Riley to begin with because he was an unproven coach with 30 years of experience. We essentially downgraded from Bo to Mike and everybody knew it. So his leash was very short. Frost is young and is doing everything extremely well except for winning, which in football it always comes in later rather than sooner. Give him until year 4-5 to make some noise. We’ll have a few more of these blowouts along the road so temper your expectations.
This is spot on. The difference in talent is obvious but it wasn't that bad. Frost didn't have his guys ready to play.
Except we're headed to our 6th game and the snaps are not fixed. Verduzco's layout for the quarterbacks small window to react doesnt account for the qb's eyes looking at at a high snap.
Better get that offense rolling. I’m fairly certain we will look up in 2-3 years and still be asking why our defense is so mediocre.
Hard to over-come poor coaching (enough said about that ...and NO...I did not say anything about firing "The Frost" or anyone else)...
My feeling about the game...
The crowd in the stadium seems to have just about had enough on this poor play this year. The team that finished the year last year was better than this years team.
My feeling about the game...
The crowd in the stadium seems to have just about had enough on this poor play this year. The team that finished the year last year was better than this years team.
Dabo did not set the world on fire at Clemson by year 2, it took him a while to get where they are today and he took some lumps along the way. Hopefully Frost continues to build up the talent and things get rolling.
The difference is player retention of our 6 2015 4 stars only 2 became starters and 1 finally is depth as a 5th year senior, of 4 in 2016 only 1 is a starter, 1 is depth at safety, of the 6 from 2017 only 1 is left and he is behind a walk-on at WR, 4 of the 8 from 2018 are already gone also.
Alabama had their wheels blown off last season in the big game by Clemson. No football program is immune to being blown out and embarrassed.
This. We need maulers on both lines. That was the difference last night. We lost the line of scrimmage all night
Absolutely. While I think our Dline is far better than our OLine, we're still light-years away from having the vicious big uglies we so desperately need on both sides.
Thinking as a kid watching Devaney's teams run over people.....just on their Dlines were animals like W. Harper, L. Jacobson, J. Dutton, R. Glover and so on. Heh, you all know this......same with the OLine & TO's great teams too.
I don't know if we can get that good ever again.....but HCSF is easily our best chance of getting that done imo. We'll just have to hang tough.
Again, doesn’t part of the blame go towards the staff. These kids come in with a wealth of talent. They need development and direction. They don’t come in to spend their career on the bench
Bo had players like Suh, Amukamara, Crick - good NFL talent in his upperclassmen. Callahan was widely derided but he did bring in some great players. Frost inherited a complete talent vacuum.
Pelini was a lackluster recruiter, but he did target and develop hard-nosed 'gamer' players like Rex Burkhead, etc that could win the tough game against meh competition. Riley targeted weak-minded west coast players that fold under the slightest competition.
I think talent wise we a far below where Callahan left us. His downfall was having a doofus at DC.
Yes.....spot on.
I did a quick look at the B1G recruiting rankings from 2011-2019 (didn't get 2012). Nebraska has been in the top half of the conference each year during that stretch. Wisconsin was ranked ahead of them once. Iowa and Northwestern never have.
Series records since Nebraska joined the B1G:
Iowa- Iowa leads 5-3
Northwestern- Tied 4-4
Wisconsin- Wisconsin leads 7-1 (average score: 41-22)
I think people are far more hesitant to place blame on Frost than any of the others simply because of his playing history.
I agree we have outrecruited those teams however the problem with recruiting rankings is it doesn't factor in player retention. How many Soph, JRs and SRs from those classes are actually still with the team? I wish rivals would do updated team rankings for previous years that factored the losses in. In Nebraska's case I think that would paint a completely different light.
Pelini inherited Much better talent than Frost. Name the players that Frost inherited that are lock NFL draft picks and compare that to the talent Pelini inherited from Callahan. Not even close.
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but if you look at who stayed or who "panned out" form those avg 22 classes it would scare you, do the research, it was very ugly from a roster standpoint. Our best reciever was a lacross player.
That goes back to develeopment too. The Davis twins were athletic freaks coming in and should have been a lock to be drafted. Mo Barry hasn't improved at all this year. But no development over 4 years will prevent all but the most elite talent from getting drafted.
A lot of players Pelini coached on defense were doing nothing but rotting under obscurity under Callahan. Pelini had a great defensive coaching staff when he first got here. A lot of those players wouldn't have been draft picks if they didn't play for Pelini and were still in Cosgrove's system.
Not all teams suffer the same. Remember that Calabraska group?
Yeah, they don’t exist at Nebraska any longer. Pair things like that with holes on the roster and you have a recipe for disappointment.
I agree mostly but this is a pickle, AM is certainly suffering big-time from these snaps, timing is everything in this offense and quite simply those snaps blow everything up. So, long term yes, we want Jurgens but I don't think we can afford to have him in there right now. I'd say pull him, move farniok over, bring in the little bro and see if that helps Martinez.
BEFORE the season, I said we had almost no shot against OSU this year. Our only hope was IF Fields would lay an egg this year. I said 8 wins was most likely. It STILL is possible IMO but after I saw South Alabama and Colorado I said that 7 was more likely. We are where we are. We're rebuilding and starting a soph QB, a freshman RB/WR, a FRESHMAN center, a walk on soph guard, a junior at RT who should probably be playing guard, and playing a bunch of very young guys at linebacker and DB. We're probably a couple of years away from winning the west. BUT it IS still POSSIBLE this year. We have to get better quickly but it can happen. We made tremendous strides last year after the Michigan disaster. It CAN happen again.
A LARGE percentage of those guys who made up those class rankings washed out. We're virtually starting from scratch.
The West isn't done. 1-0 in the race. Yes, 1-1 overall, but Wisconsin beat Northwestern. Stay on pace week?
Only, the Media forgot who the correct frontrunner should be in the West?
It is Wisconsin.
Ohio State 2-0 keeps winning in the B1G.
Only, the Media forgot who the correct frontrunner should be in the West?
It is Wisconsin.
Ohio State 2-0 keeps winning in the B1G.
I'd say 6 wins is most likely and we're going to have to improve a lot just to get there. We're going to have to improve drastically to get to 7 or 8 wins.
We have a tackle right now that wouldn't have been on the 5 deep of any team Bo or Callahan coached. Riley destroyed what line talent we had left. We are adding for the future and got a great commit yesterday. Patience my friends.