Possible Breakthrough Vaccine Available this Fall

[Bucky Dog]

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-fall-2020-4

This could be fantastic news and they are already testing in Germany and plan to start testing in the states next week. One could assume this type of trial could be done rather quickly over 1-2 months.

If this works out and is available mid fall like they hope it is a game changer for sure!!

 

[Digging dog]

Even more promising is Gilead may have a drug for this virus.

Getting the virus and knowing you’ve got a treatment is about as good as a vaccine I believe.

 

[57stratdawg]

That’s the one that seems to have equities’ fancy tickled today.

 

[ckDOG]

Fauci seemed pretty high on it too this AM

Nm

 

[L4Dawg]

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-fall-2020-4

This could be fantastic news and they are already testing in Germany and plan to start testing in the states next week. One could assume this type of trial could be done rather quickly over 1-2 months.

If this works out and is available mid fall like they hope it is a game changer for sure!!

I read the article where they talked to one of the guys doing the study. He said it is no magic bullet and it does not help everyone. He specifically said it is NOT a cure. He said it may help some. The numbers he reported backed him up, sort of. There was no control so it's hard to really say.

Edited to add: This was aimed at the treatment post, not the vaccine. That they have taken a vaccine that far this fast is nothing short of amazing.

 

[Go Budaw]

Question, what qualifies as “emergency use”? Obviously there will be finite quantities of this vaccine in the early going, even in a best-case scenario. So is “emergency use” defined by high-risk individuals (elderly, nursing home patients, immunocompromised, etc.)?

 

[L4Dawg]

Question, what qualifies as “emergency use”? Obviously there will be finite quantities of this vaccine in the early going, even in a best-case scenario. So is “emergency use” defined by high-risk individuals (elderly, nursing home patients, immunocompromised, etc.)?

If it's like many of those healthcare workers will be the first priority.

 

[Cooterpoot]

Nm

I knew that mother17er was high.

 

[Hubcitydog]

I’m a healthcare worker, so I’ll be taking it when available and I am a strong believer in vaccines- but let’s have a small poll on who will willingly get this vaccine with this much time for development and testing. Now we may all be forced to get it but I’d like to get a few peoples thoughts.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I'd take it. Most hurdles to approval are meaningless government red tape anyway.

 

[00Dawg]

I won't be in the first wave.

Under 50 and in good health so I'm really low risk for hospitalization, let alone death, plus not in a critical job and can work remote.
I'll get it earlier than I let my kids have it, though. Since they have no underlying health conditions, their mortality risk even if they caught COVID-19 is nearing statistically insignificant.

I'm not far from "you'll have to legally require it" before I'd give something to my kids in that time frame.

 

[L4Dawg]

I’m a healthcare worker, so I’ll be taking it when available and I am a strong believer in vaccines- but let’s have a small poll on who will willingly get this vaccine with this much time for development and testing. Now we may all be forced to get it but I’d like to get a few peoples thoughts.

I'm a healthcare worker in my late 50s. I'll be as close to first in line as I can get. Heck I'd volunterr for the trial.

 

[MTNDawg.sixpack]

The healthy 40-something year-old on death's door in New Orleans (the story was linked here) went from not going to make it to complete recovery after the docs gave him the Gilead remdesivir. It might not work for everyone, but it worked for him specifically.

 

[EngDawg]

I read the article where they talked to one of the guys doing the study. He said it is no magic bullet and it does not help everyone. He specifically said it is NOT a cure. He said it may help some. The numbers he reported backed him up, sort of. There was no control so it's hard to really say.

Edited to add: This was aimed at the treatment post, not the vaccine. That they have taken a vaccine that far this fast is nothing short of amazing.

There was a control group with the results released today. There was a statistically significant difference regarding recovery times, but not fatality rate. That being said, the improvement in fatality rate (8% vs 11.6%) was not far from being statistically significant (P=0.059) so it will be interesting to see what happens with larger study sizes.

Overall though, it definitely isn’t a miracle drug, at least when given late in the disease.

 

[codeDawg]

There was a control group with the results released today. There was a statistically significant difference regarding recovery times, but not fatality rate. That being said, the improvement in fatality rate (8% vs 11.6%) was not far from being statistically significant (P=0.059) so it will be interesting to see what happens with larger study sizes.

Overall though, it definitely isn’t a miracle drug, at least when given late in the disease.

Yeah, not a miracle drug, but so far it's reducing time to recovery without severe side effects. Still a lot more research to do, but promising to get data from studies done with control groups and other methods you need to ensure the credibility of the data.

 

[L4Dawg]

There was a control group with the results released today. There was a statistically significant difference regarding recovery times, but not fatality rate. That being said, the improvement in fatality rate (8% vs 11.6%) was not far from being statistically significant (P=0.059) so it will be interesting to see what happens with larger study sizes.

Overall though, it definitely isnÂ’t a miracle drug, at least when given late in the disease.

I missed the control group release. It would be interesting to see one when it was given early on.

 

[Crazy Cotton]

The production ramp up, based on Gilead's website, is not going to be quick. This was apparently a mothballed Ebola drug so supply is severely limited. They restarted pre-production quickly and a while back, but components are apparently globally sourced, and some of them take weeks from start to end of production.

 

[RocketDawg]

I'll take it when available. I have a few "underlying conditions".

 

[TNT.sixpack]

I read the article where they talked to one of the guys doing the study. He said it is no magic bullet and it does not help everyone. He specifically said it is NOT a cure. He said it may help some. The numbers he reported backed him up, sort of. There was no control so it's hard to really say.

Edited to add: This was aimed at the treatment post, not the vaccine. That they have taken a vaccine that far this fast is nothing short of amazing.

China already tested it and they scrapped the test because it was giving the results they hoped for.

 

[CowDoc.sixpack]

I'd take it. Most hurdles to approval are meaningless government red tape anyway.

Please explain what you mean by this. After 15+ yrs in drug development I completely disagree. Most people don’t realize the extent pharma companies go to prove their products are safe and effective.

 

[BELdog]

I’m a healthcare worker, so I’ll be taking it when available and I am a strong believer in vaccines- but let’s have a small poll on who will willingly get this vaccine with this much time for development and testing. Now we may all be forced to get it but I’d like to get a few peoples thoughts.

Forced to get it? Who’s going to be forcing it on us? Who’s going to allow it to be forced on them?

 

[Dawg1976]

You can't trust anything coming out of China.