Clearly, you did not read my reasoning. And nice job In trying to be “cancel culture”
Poll: Billy vs Cal
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Well thought out and insightful posts. I don’t agree with everything said, but well said.Reasoneable answer . I've always been a Cal supporter but the guy has some issues on game day . Our offense is getting to the point its mid feb before we look like we have a clue . Teams take forever to gain and identity . And Yes , Cal seems to have enough enemies where it makes advancing that much harder in the NCAAT . Thats why its awful we lost last year , who knows what we might have done . Could have flamed out , could have went on a run . This year is extremely important in keeping the fan base happy .. and I didnt even mention his venture into politics
Never wanted Billy D, think Cal is doing a great job. His politics have me seeing him in a different way. If he supports his team disrespecting our anthem or flag there will be problems ahead. Call us rednecks, hillbillies or backwood folks but we love our country.
Haha. “Everyone that doesn’t agree with me is fake or a troll”
When does thinking like this ever end?
At worst, trading Cal for Billy D is a lateral move.
Acting like it’s insane, or that only trolls would vote for Billy is plain dumb.
And before you have an aneurysm, I voted Cal.
how could you not possibly agree with my opinion 100% ?? LOL , I jest . Things just sorta seem to be more shaky than Cals first ( INCREDIBLE ) 5 years here . There are more and more recruiting misses . There is the changing of the atmosphere where stud players now know they have to come to Ky to get drafted highly . And last year I watched us be totally , 100% , not mentally prepared to play the game on more than one occasion . The infamous Evansville home loss , and losing to a Utah team that was outmatched clearly at every position. I watched that from 5 rows back . I could type a while describing how flat and unprepared we were . Then 2 days later we lose to Tosu who wasnt exactly a great team . Plus the meltdown of our PG at the end of the season. That sort of stuff hasnt happened too often during his tenure . And while I'm at it , Herro's year -- we look like a well oiled offensive nightmare for anyone in our path playing those pro teams overseas , the ball and player movement was extremely impressive. Then we go thru the season and the offense grinds to a halt. There are things to be concerned about .
Glad you are not a fake or a troll -- and your posting has proven that.
But it is not a lateral move.
Maybe it would have been in 2008. But with the way recruiting has changed, the impact of One and Done, and other factors, there is no way Billy Donovan could put the teams on the court year after year that Calipari has. Billy's formula of building veteran teams would have a hard time working at Kentucky in this era. I think Billy got out of the college game because he couldn't abide the constant turnover and the emphasis that put on recruiting classes in the Top Five every year.
I think it is also a highly risky move to change horses for ANYBODY when things are working. And they are working - 2020: SEC outright champions with a team I believe would have had a very good shot at winning it all. 2019 - A bad stretch at the end of an Elite Eight overtime game from the Final Four at least. 2017 - a terribly officiated game away from perhaps winning it all. 2015 - an historic team that made the Final Four. 2014 - Final Game. 2012 - National Championship. 2011 - Final Four with a great run. 2010 - Elite Eight with a terrific team, after inheriting an NIT team. That's eight teams that had a legitimate shot to win it all in 11 years.
Sorry, but anyone willing to walk away from a coach with that level of success who is still signing #1 recruiting classes is not being completely rational.
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I think we should give Cal a fair chance to right the ship that Keion launched a torpedo into. That’s not something that can be fixed in one speech. It’s going to take Cal's best efforts to get through this one unscathed.
When I say "unscathed", I mean make it through without losing current players, losing the fan base and losing future recruits.
He can't just come out and say "Keion is a moron and never should have opened his trap about it, because he has no knowledge of who or what Rupp was"
He can't say that, but that’s like the only thing that would make some of our fans happy and that’s not fair to Cal.
I hated those comments too and I was quite angry on here that day, but I didn’t have a problem with what Cal did or said up to that point. I think he's trying to have his cake and eat it too, which I think is the right move. He's also been pretty hush hush about it lately, I think he's letting the flames die down. Again, another good move.
Love and will always appreciate what Cal has done for UK but we’re about to endure the down swing of his tenure.
Billy Donovan is a better basketball coach every day of the week and when the talent pool is going to be significantly less to choose from than what Cal has been accustomed to his whole career I will take the better X and O guy with twice as many titles please.
Billy Donovan is a better basketball coach every day of the week and when the talent pool is going to be significantly less to choose from than what Cal has been accustomed to his whole career I will take the better X and O guy with twice as many titles please.
It is at least theoretically possible that Cal's newfound wokeness might be the last straw for a portion of the fanbase that is already a little bit critical of him. He might actually see some negative reception at some games. That's right, I said it.
haha that keion is a moron quote sounded like bob knight
Without Larry Shyatt running his defense, Billy's record ain't all that awesome.
Billy did nothing outside his 1st or 2nd team & the Horford team.
Cal absolutely owned Billy & was one reason he wanted out of college basketball. And some weird thinking morons want Billy D.? That's just strange!
Cal absolutely owned Billy & was one reason he wanted out of college basketball. And some weird thinking morons want Billy D.? That's just strange!
one can make any argument - sure - my point was just his whole team came back and that would not happen in this day and age. Perfect storm once - sure - twice with no one leaving - would not happen these days. That's all.
In the four years that followed Larry’s tenure at Florida, Billy went to two Elite Eights and a Final Four.
I agree with those concerns and they are justified...except the recruiting misses...something is going on there; that is out of Cal's control, IMO.
Vergas...that was a nightmare...still smh
Buuuuut, I still wouldn't trade out today for BD., at this moment... Cal has earned enough to have a couple of "down seasons" to turn is back into the dominating force he did have us at.
I really appreciate the thoughtful bantering back and forth; and not all the stupid hyperbole, red herring, political, name calling, strawman, cancel culture **** that seems to be permeating this board lately.
So why do you come to a “backwards redneck board”? Pretty arrogant and narcissistic attitude on your part. Do you even know what a redneck is or what the term stands for?
If I had to make a choice today, I would pick Billy because he is younger. I don't know how much longer Cal will be here....a bird in the hand.
Cal went to 3 final fours during those years.
Billy has 2 final fours in his career(with several first weekend exits) without Shyatt on the bench.
Also, the "2 titles vs 1" argument is really misleading. We're taking about 1 shot. If Chalmers' shot is off by an inch, this isn't even a discussion.
ya know, I've read or heard never, that insulting and belittling others is a way to bring about change.
People love to forget that Billy Donovan did what he did at a school and with a fan base that did not give a Flying F about basketball.
I think most of us that love the idea of Donovan at UK are operating under the assumption that Billy could do a whole lot more at UK with the resources he didn’t have at UF.
Also want to point out how big of a pipe dream it is and that there’s no chance Donovan is coming to UK and Cal is either resigning or getting fired.
Funny thing is, I’d rather have Donovan as coach but would have a HUGE problem if Cal got fired or was forced to resign for him.
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Oh yeah.
I guess I just don’t understand what some of our fans wanted Cal to say. I think he said the only things he could say at that time. Some of our fans just wanted to torch everything, because one young guy said some things they disagreed with.
I was pissed about it too, but you don’t just torch the entire program for this.
ok. I was not arguing Cal -v- Billy. The point I was making is that Billy had strong success following Shyatt’s tenure. That really is indisputable.
Larry was a tremendous attribute, but to suggest Donovan did nothing without him - that ignores reality.
And pointing at the early exists without Shyatt as proof - well, ignores the two NIT seasons Larry was part of.
All that said, Larry was great and really helped the program and Billy. And he’s an even better person than he is a basketball coach.
but, is it a pipe dream for Cal to just leave and be replaced...or am I reading way too much into your post?
If, I am... I apologize
I think Cal’s remaining tenure is on either side of three years. That’s not inside information - just a feeling.
As for Billy - he will not be a candidate whenever the time comes. That is more than “just a feeling”.
As for Billy - he will not be a candidate whenever the time comes. That is more than “just a feeling”.
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Do you mean Cal? And as for Billy not being a candidate at UK, is that mostly attributable to his wife?
Ha! Yes - not Carl!
No - it’s not related to Christine. The family influence was much more significant when the kids were young. Billy is doing what he loves.
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Nor really Mojo . I can throw an opinion out there but it might not be right .. Cal thinks the NCAA Final Four is won in the 1/2 court . That as the tourney progresses the pressure builds and builds and teams tend to play some what slower . nd he wants them prepared for that ?? I know this for sure . 100% . That offense we saw overseas with Herro's team was special . Down right special . We looked cohesive , the ball movement and player movement was great .... and we get into the season and it grinds to almost halt . We get back to running the clock down and get forced into taking a shot thats available as opposed to the shots we really want . Same problem this season , we have not enough shots for players with great scoring ability and too many shots for guys that cant throw it in the ocean ( IQ VS Hagans ?? ) Hell it took 1/2 a season to realize IQ needed to be starting and getting more shots . And he was by far our best scorer .
PS whats your take ?