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bac2therac

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We tried a few years ago with Elmer and it almost worked. We have no other choice to make it work at this point. Ash must be fired or this program will not only be a laughingstock on the field but in stadium attendance.

Patrick got us into this mess, he needs to get us out or he can go too along with Barchi and all the other fools at the BOG who continue to scam us with this charade.
 
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essexknight

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It is worth a try. But, I don't think emails or continued losing (1-11, even) will bring a coaching change after this season.

Also even in the unlikely case that a coaching change is made, do you have confidence in Hobbs to hire a football coach? Hobbs is the same guy who hired and recently extended Ash. He also showed little interest in GS at that time, according to reports.

It is sad to see the program in this condition. It reminds me of the Shea days. I thought those days were over when RU started going to bowls on a regular basis.
 
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78CollegeAve

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bac — You are sorely mistaken if you believe that poor attendance or being the laughing stock of P5 is of concern to Hobbs or his boss. He really, really, really believes that Ash is the right guy because, after all, he hired him and Urban and Barry said so. And he’s completely bought into Ash’s 5, 6 or 7 year rebuild estimate.

Absent a scandal, Hobbs will stick with Ash through 2020. If RU is 2-10 next season Hobbs will be upbeat because, hey, it will be an improvement, right?

Hobbs will never tap his donors for a buyout because he wants their money for infrastructure. And Barchi thinks that’s just great. Both of them will take a couple more years of football hell and national embarrassment. Then after the 2020 season, if Ash can’t get to 6-6 and a bowl, Hobbs will tell the FNG that he can spend on his staff (you, know guys who can actually recruit) because the serious B1G dough will start coming in and, unlike Ash, the FNG will have enough sizzle, a/k/a juice, to put some butts in the seats for the show.
 
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RutgersROB said:
$8 mil if he finishes the season...he better be gone
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So he has 4 years left then after this season? He will be let go when only 2 years remain. Thats when coaches get the extension in the name of recruiting. We'll likely cut bait at that point. So be prepared for 2 more years of 1-11 or worse
 
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RU4Real

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Gentlemen, there is no math that supports firing Ash after this season. Everyone who touts the "empty seats" angle is either overstating or just plain ignoring the numbers.

Absent a donor buyout *and* donor-led subsidy of a significantly upgraded coaching staff - so figure something like $20 million, total - there's zero appetite among Barchi & BOG to throw good money after bad just for the sake of "winning".
 
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Knight Shift

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RU4Real said:
Gentlemen, there is no math that supports firing Ash after this season. Everyone who touts the "empty seats" angle is either overstating or just plain ignoring the numbers.

Absent a donor buyout *and* donor-led subsidy of a significantly upgraded coaching staff - so figure something like $20 million, total - there's zero appetite among Barchi & BOG to throw good money after bad just for the sake of "winning".
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Exactly right, and you will be accused of going down with the ship.
Those who want change- pony up or shut up.
 
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Barchi doesnt give a **** and will have no trouble throwing Hobbs under the bus as he has done with a bunch of bodies before him.

Thats why I think RU is playing a dangerous game here, the charade is up and I think even the most diehard of fans are starting to give up on the program and their tickets and their donations. Even I couldnt dream of how steep the attendance and interest drop has been this season.
 
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RUJohnny99

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Pony up or shut up.
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Deal.

I can barbecue in my backyard without some cop walking around trying to make a buck and watch on TV without some 19 year old pretending to be a cop sticking their fingers in my fanny pack to see what I carry around with me.

And I’m not emailing anyone. Those jackasses want my money they can call me and give me one good reason I should waste money on this shitshow.
 
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RU4Real

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GORU2014 said:
35K fans per game (likely if we’re average) minus 10K fans per game (likely if Ash stays) is 25K difference.

Multiply that by an average ticket and parking price plus average concessions spend (let’s say $80 total), and then multiply by 7 Home games, and you get 25K x $80 x 7 = $14 million per year.

Saving $15 million in buyouts will cost us around $14 million a year, not including merchandise, additional donations, etc.
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Based on attendance figures (sales, not turnstile) and NCAA financial filings for the 2016 season, that number isn't $80, it's precisely $51.
 
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78CollegeAve

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RU4Real said:
Based on attendance figures (sales, not turnstile) and NCAA financial filings for the 2016 season, that number isn't $80, it's precisely $51.
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Correct. And concessions aren't 100% profit either. Hobbs will take the game $$$ hit.
 
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seels2662

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Sadly in Barchi's twisted mind being the laughingstock of college football actually cements his opinion that football should bot be a sport at Rutgers.
 
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MYHATINTHERING

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He should have just ignored you. The dirty look just proves what an amateur he is and That he’s in over his head.
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I think it shows more in that he's susceptible to this type of interaction. The more people email, call, yell at him during games that we are not happy, the more he takes notice and it begins to play in his mind.
 
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GORU2014 said:
I find that hard to believe. Barely any students are going so they won’t be a big part of the 10K. If you look at the link below the purple sections (median) average $57 per game. Figure $15 for parking factoring in people who don’t get passes, and $10 for concessions, and you’re at $82. I’ll take that for napkin math.

Link: https://scarletknights.com/sports/2017/6/11/tickets-seating-stadium-html.aspx
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So go get the 2016 attendance numbers and the NCAA financial report and do it yourself.

One additional factor is that they count comped tickets as "sold", albeit sold for zero dollars. There are a significant number of comps, per game.

The revenue numbers also exclude seat fees, which in 2016 were still counted as "donations".

It's also interesting to note that Pat Hobbs is the first Rutgers AD to refuse to publicly disclose the NCAA Annual Financial Report. It's an NCAA-required filing, but disclosure is voluntary.
 
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RU4Real

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GORU2014 said:
Even without nitpicking on the exact average spend per person, let’s say it’s $51. That’s $9 million per year being lost, which means in under two years we’re in worse shape vs. the buyout, just in terms of gameday revenue.

That’s the type of poor, shortsighted financial decision making that’s killed Rutgers over and over again.
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Worse shape vs. the buyout, but not when compared to "buyout + additional coaching spend".
 
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MYHATINTHERING

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doesn't matter how you look at it. The cost of losing attendees to games is significant, far more than the buyout costs per annum. Hobbs needs to do something and the fans need to put pressure on the school to do something. Making a call, sending an email, voicing displeasure at Hobbs each time you see him is NOT a time consuming endeavor and if enough people do it, it will get to him.

Supporting this type product isn't being a fan, being a fan is NOT supporting this walking abortion and those that made it so need to hear it.
 
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seels2662 said:
Sadly in Barchi's twisted mind being the laughingstock of college football actually cements his opinion that football should bot be a sport at Rutgers.
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Well, if he’s as brilliant as everyone says then find a way to make RU football a member for all sports except football and move football to The Colonial Conference. If not, give the money back and bow out of the B1G all together. This is effing embarrassing.
 
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RU4Real

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GORU2014 said:
It likely would be worse shape than buyout plus additional spend. I’d assume (ideally) maybe $1 million per year extra for HC and $500K per year extra for staff. So you’re looking at maybe $15 million for buyouts and $7.5 million for 5 years of staff (above what we’re currently paying).

If we keep Ash for another year after this, ticket sales are likely down for 2 more years (maybe more). That’s $18 million at the lower end.

After you discount the upgraded staff salaries, consider impact of donors fleeing, think of the impact on future teams of another 2 years of poor recruiting, I’d guess you’re at best breakeven by keeping Ash.
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We're paying Ash about 2 mil a year. If you think we're getting a significant upgrade for 3 mil a year, you're mistaken.

A quality coach, a guy who's going to a) win games, b) recruit out of the gate and c) generate media buzz and therefore attendance, starting in Year 1, is going to cost at least 5 mil a year plus 3 mil for staff, for a total of 8. That's 10.2 mil out of pocket for buyout + replacement, for 4 years.
 
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RU4Real said:
We're paying Ash about 2 mil a year. If you think we're getting a significant upgrade for 3 mil a year, you're mistaken.

A quality coach, a guy who's going to a) win games, b) recruit out of the gate and c) generate media buzz and therefore attendance, starting in Year 1, is going to cost at least 5 mil a year plus 3 mil for staff, for a total of 8. That's 10.2 mil out of pocket for buyout + replacement, for 4 years.
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Uhh Rutgers will never pay 5 million a year for a head football coach. Fleck is getting 3.5 million at Minnesota. That's probably the ceiling right now.
 
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seels2662

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BoogieKnight said:
Well, if he’s as brilliant as everyone says then find a way to make RU football a member for all sports except football and move football to The Colonial Conference. If not, give the money back and bow out of the B1G all together. This is effing embarrassing.
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In his deranged mind, and I am not kidding I am dead serious when I say this, he thinks that the B1G brought us in for our academics.
 
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