Again, that’s an issue. It’s about who a team plays. Other teams sucking is a reason an undefeated team doesn’t qualify?? Nutty system.
Playoffs need to e expanded
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Again, that’s an issue. It’s about who a team plays. Other teams sucking is a reason an undefeated team doesn’t qualify?? Nutty system.
I love a hearty debate, but do you guys think you’re changing anyone’s mind here? Getting a little Groundhog Day.
I posted a link above showing strength of schedule using an advanced formula. UCF’s SOS one above RU.
I’d think if RU was in UCF’s shoes you’d have a much different opinion.
No it's not. Every year, every G5 team knows the rules going in. If you want a seat at the Big Boy table act like a big boy. They chose not too.
It's not that easy though with how scheduling works. Besides they are doing it. Their 2019 OOC is definitely better than ours next year.
What kind of a bush league eliminates 85% of teams from the beginning of the season?
Except by winning every game they play. Nutty system that it’s about WHO a team plays
But all division winners DO get in in "every pro sport," so your point is lost.
Yup. That’s why you still have At large teams in any playoff system that works. League winners plus wild cards, etc.
hoops has 360 or so school not 130. Plus an upset in hoops is more likely than football..it just is.
No. The 4th best team won 2016, the 2nd best team won in 2017 and 2018.
If it was to make the best team champion it failed.
The best team didn’t win though. The 2nd best and 4th best won every year. The #1 team..best team..never was crowned champion.
I have to give you credit. You are relentless, clueless as well but you aren't backing down.
If you really want change apply to be a college President at one of the G5 schools. Otherwise nothing is going to change. Good luck with your ongoing battle.
What exactly am i clueless about?
I’m staying on topic making points backing up my arguments. You decide to take s personal shot and call me clueless.
Not a big deal to me at all..but that’s a message board staple when someone has no argument or response..to get personal.
Change is needed. And I believe it’s coming in a few years, at least I hope!
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You say you understand how the playoff system was created and how teams get in but keep harping about a team that lost their bowl game to another team that wouldn't even qualify for an 8 team playoff. I thought you said wins matters. Doesn't a big loss matter too??
Of course wins and losses should matter. That’s the basis of every playoff system in the world. Teams with best records qualify.
My argument is this: NCAA wants the best team to be champion. But they don’t want to be subjective. So they came up with a 4 team playoff to determine the winner to make it fair. But in choosing the best 4 teams, they’re being subjective...what they were trying to avoid. System just doesn’t make sense.
I get why they came up with it and how teams get in. The eye test. Getting why and agreeing with why are two totally different things
Again you are wrong. The NCAA has nothing to do with it. The 10 FBS came up with this system. The AAC agreed and accepted the current system. All G5 teams must avoid playing the SC State and Austin Peays to elevate their status. UCF did not. The constant complaints about being fair is bogus as they didn't follow the model. An 8 seed shouldn't lose to an 11th seed. It's is simple and obvious
I meant the CFP committee, not the ncaa. Sorry.
If it’s simple and obvious UCF didn’t belong because they shouldn’t have lost to an 11th ranked team...
Why did Oklahoma belong if they lost to a 15th seed in October? A loss to #15 i worse then a loss to #11.
Because their entire portfolio was a million times better than UCF. Anyway keep fighting the losing battle. Nothing is going to change for years. I'm out of this conversation. I have bigger fish to fry. College football has just one more game but the PGA is just begining. Peace out. Go RU
the system worked....we had 4 teams in the playoff and there was no controversy about who was #1.....end of discussion.
I think going undefeated is a million times better than finishing with a loss. Which is why I think the system is flawed.
Thanks for the good, hearty debate. Go RU. Go Phil!
Never said they were. Just saying they never had a chance to prove if they were.
So, if 68 of 360 get in, that's about 19% in basketball.
8 of 130 is 6% in football..
So, your point about the numbers is not valid.
Is an 8 vs 1 upset in college football less likely than a 16 vs 1. I'd say not, considering how many years it took for that to happen.
Regardless, whether an upset is plausible or not, is not the issue.
It's about inclusion. If there's a playoff, you want all 5 P5 Champs, top G5 team and 2 wild cards.
Sure, it may end up every year 1 vs 2, but how many years do you see all 4 number 1 seeds in the Final four. Things happen.
If all you want is to ensure 1 v 2 every year, do away with the playoff and just have a title game.
With the proposed 8 team playoff format, Temple, UConn and all our old AAC brethren would have a much better chance at making the playoff and winning a national title than Rutgers ever would. Think about that one...probably why so many are opposed...
Well, Michigan was #7, so yeah they would have been deserving.
They also wouldn't have had players skip the game like they did for a meaningless bowl game.
I believe there was controversy on who missed out though.
If UCF made it this year, and ended up beating Alabama then Clemson, I don’t think there’d be much controversy either
The controversy, like every year, would be if on who qualified, not who won.
Dude, you write some good RU basketball game recaps but you are missing the posters’s points: UCF at 12-0 was good enough to be a part of a playoff. He’s not saying UCF is better than Bama or Clemson. He’s saying the playoff system is rigged and that even if a G5 school beat every opponent by 55 pts that school would still not be chosen to play a P5 team on the field for the Chip. Regardless of record, margin of victory, wins on the road, you name it. Schools like UCF, Houston, Cinncy, BYU and any non P5 school not named ND are not members of the CFP club/cartel. You say “They should be scheduling better schools during the season and show how good they are.” Guess what Sherlock none of these P5 schools want to play a school like UCF. They have more to lose than gain and that includes every SEC, ACC, B12, BIG and P12 schools. UCF probably has better overall speed than most of the northern P5 schools. I agree that UCF would probably get smacked around if they had to play P5 schools on a regular basis but they couldn’t play that type of schedule even if they tried because most P5 schools look to duck these opponents. You have a better shot of SEC schools playing OOC schools in the North during November or UF leaving the state of FL for an OOC game. UCF will not get a consistently strong OOC schedule because of avoidance and because they don’t play in a P5 conference. In the end ranking most P5 schools, not named Alabama/OSU, vary on how good they are from year to year.
Expand the CFP to eight: 5 P5 conference champs, 1 highest ranked G5 school and 2 at large; and let the champion be determined on the field. The current system is like the NCAA basketball tournament only inviting Kansas, Duke, Michigan and North Carolina every year to play for the Chip.
I guess because RU got into the Club [thankfully] you just don’t see these valid points.
GO RU
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Who said it isn't subjective. Of course it is subjective. That is why you have a committee determine which 4 teams are in the playoff.
There is also a committee that selects and seeds teams for the NCAA basketball tournament. One of their criteria is an eye test. It too is subjective. So is the NCAA lacrosse tournament.
If he's not saying that UCF is better than Alabama or Clemson, then he has no argument to include them in the playoff to determine the best team. There might be an argument to include them in a different type of tournament. But not this one.
Do a BCS style Plus-1 with #1 and #2 after the traditional bowls. That’s what I always wanted.
However, an 8 team playoff is more likely to happen.
There's only one way when it comes to sports. Up. There will be a playoff expansion, it's inevitable.