Playoffs need to e expanded
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As non conference games are scheduled, sometimes, 5+ years in advanced..what you’re suggesting they do is difficult.
Results don’t matter in college football. If results mattered, UCF would have a shot. Since their results were flawless.
There is no problem with interest in college football. You know why? Every game counts. The season has meaning. You don't let everyone in to save the season of a team that sucks. There are no participation trophys in college football.
Yes. But it is who got into the tournament.
Not "did they deserve to play for a championship".
I believe the ND sitting back and watching while others produce a "13th data point" is a tad overstated when Alabama's 12th and 13th data points are Arkansas State and the Citadel.
is anyone screaming Michigan deserved to play for the national championship.....Penn State? do these teams look like they deserved to be playing..not just in their bowl game but during the season...good lord PSU looked like hot garbage vs Rutgers
Well yesterday was AFTER they were eliminated from the playoffs..so that’s not why they were eliminated from the playoffs.
The system is absolutely ridiculous...and this coming from a HUGE college football fan
its never been about mid major conferences in football...do you think the power 5 who make the rules care or most of the fans
No but many people were screaming about UGA being deserving. And they didn’t look like world beaters either. Again, results in bowls are irrelevant to whether a team is deserving..since playoff is decided before bowls.
Michigan wouldn’t in my system.
5 P5 champs..
Bama, OSU, Wash, OU, Clemson
Best G5 champ
UCF
2 at large
ND Georgia.
My system would also include any G5 champ ranked higher than a P5 champ...but irrelevant this year.
The flaw in excluding G5 due to weak schedules is that those teams can't force themselves onto marquee opponents' schedules. The system is rigged in favor of the high profile programs. I'd propose a system where the NCAA assigns two opponents for all FBS teams, still allowing each to schedule a patsy each year.
You might get a San Diego State at Auburn or Stanford at USF type of game every year which will somewhat equalize the scheduling catch-22 for the G5.
You might get a San Diego State at Auburn or Stanford at USF type of game every year which will somewhat equalize the scheduling catch-22 for the G5.
One monkey wrench with automatic champs:
What if Pitt/Northwestern beat Clemson/OSU?
Same rules apply.
Conference champs:
Bama, Pitt, nw, was, ou.
At larges would change.
Clem, Nd. (Sorry UGA).
I also believe you must be in top 25..so possibly Pitt’s AQ would be taken away for a 3rd AL (UGA back in??). Also if Fresno State wounded up ahead of NWrsterm, they’d take their bid. Would make Conf championship weekend so much more meaningful
Part of the problems (not featuring the best teams, absence of P5 Conference champions, ND not playing a 13th game, barriers to out performing non Power 5 teams and meaningless bowl games, etc) with the D1A playoff system has as much to do with the actions of P5 conferences in conjunction with tv networks (ESPN). P5 conferences want their conference champ games and guaranteed slots in selective bowl sites like BIG/P12 in Rose bowl and SEC/B12 in Sugar Bowl. Every power conference wants their cake and eat it too and the ESPN/FOXes of the world are willing to accommodate since they want premium broadcasting. Additionally P5 conferences don’t want to let other schools into the money club yet now they’re seeing their own members not get the visibility offered by the CFP. Why not include the P5 conference champ games as part of the greater playoff and as mentioned before, include a slot for the highest ranked G5 and two slots for at large teams and make it a 8 team quarterfinal to determine a true champion on the field. Of course there will have to be some give and take from P5 conferences, tv networks, schools, fandoms and some traditions.
Again, if it would have been applied this season Clemson and Alabama would still have very well been in the final but many of us would have liked OSU, GA, UCF and Mich thrown into the mix and see what would have transpired over a 3-4 week period.
GO RU
Again, if it would have been applied this season Clemson and Alabama would still have very well been in the final but many of us would have liked OSU, GA, UCF and Mich thrown into the mix and see what would have transpired over a 3-4 week period.
GO RU
Princeton is FCS. They are also Ivy League, who will not allow their teams to compete in the FCS playoffs. I'm hoping I'm missing sarcasm.
UCF was worthy in 2017, but the argument is always subjective to exclude G5 programs. "They couldn't handle an SEC / B1G schedule!", which can neither be proven nor disproved. This year the argument was they were missing they were missing McKenzie Milton and G5 teams "don't have the depth". So does Oklahoma make it if Murray gets injured for the B12 Championship Game or does Notre Dame make it past USC without Book at QB?
Yes you missed the sarcasm. G5 teams without big P5 wins don't deserve a spot in the top 4. They aren't a National Championship caliber team.
There's always that 1 Group of 5 team every year that's highly ranked. Might not be an undefeated UCF team but good teams come out of Group of 5 every year.
Give them a shot..Absolutely no harm in doing so.
I personally believe it should be expanded to 8 teams. the 5 Conferance Champions and 3 at large. No one will convince me that Oklahoma was better than OSU this year. If you look at the strength of schedule for all the teams in the playoffs less than Notre Dame its a joke. Clemson played NO ONE this year, their toughest game was arguably Syracuse... they player 2 games this year against top 25 opponents and 0 against a top 15 opponent. Oklahoma beat WVU by 3 and split a season series against Texas, they beat 0 top 15 teams this season. Alabama deserves to be where they are simply based on the SEC strength. Their non conferance schedule is a joke though.
As for Notre Dame yes they deserved their spot however they consistently suck in the postseason. My favorite CFB joke still to this day is "What does Notre Dame Football and Marijuana have in Common? They both get SMOKED in a Bowl!"
I would have liked to see a tournament where you have teams like OSU, UCF, Georgia were involved this year. Every other sport in the NCAA has a tournament, it's insane to limit the CFP to just 4 teams. I do believe before long we will see 8 teams though
As for Notre Dame yes they deserved their spot however they consistently suck in the postseason. My favorite CFB joke still to this day is "What does Notre Dame Football and Marijuana have in Common? They both get SMOKED in a Bowl!"
I would have liked to see a tournament where you have teams like OSU, UCF, Georgia were involved this year. Every other sport in the NCAA has a tournament, it's insane to limit the CFP to just 4 teams. I do believe before long we will see 8 teams though
That's not the best reason to expand. The best reason to expand is to give EVERYONE equal shot. UCF and Group of 5 teams don't have equal shot.
Again, there's very little reason not to...unless you want a flawed system where only the power teams have a shot. That's what it is now.
UCF had a harder strength of schedule than RU.
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other
If UCF's wasn't worthy going 13-0...that would mean RU wouldn't be worthy this year if they went 13-0.
I'd love to see everyone's reactions then!!
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other
If UCF's wasn't worthy going 13-0...that would mean RU wouldn't be worthy this year if they went 13-0.
I'd love to see everyone's reactions then!!
Rutgers is in the Big 10...if you care about Rutgers interest you want it kept between the power 5
And to be fair, the SOS rani
And to be fair, the SOS rankings for UCF does include the bowl game and their Conf Champ game...so that obviously improved it...
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other?date=2018-12-22
So here's SOS rankings prior to those games, while RU is ahead of them..not by much. My point still stands.
And to be fair, the SOS rankings for UCF does include the bowl game and their Conf Champ game...so that obviously improved it...
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other?date=2018-12-22
So here's SOS rankings prior to those games, while RU is ahead of them..not by much. My point still stands.
The 4 team playoff was set by all D1 schools. They all agreed. They all agreed that the P5 was different than the rest. The P5 and the rest are not equal.
Every P5 team has a chance and knows the risk of losing.
In a year where it is very apparent that the two best teams were clearly better than the rest I don't understand the crying for UCF, who lost yesterday, to be included.
Because they did everything they needed to do. They were flawless...no reason a team with no losses shouldn't play for the championship. Every single sport they'd be in the playoff with that kind of record.
Sports championships aren't won by teams that are CLEARLY the best. Sports championships are won by teams that WIN. Not in college football, for some odd reason.
The bowl infrastructure is already in place for a 8 team playoff. Just use four of the "minor" bowls for the quarter final. Five P5 champs get auto bids unless they're not in the Top 10 which is unlikely. Three "at-large" bids with the requirement that one team has to be from outside a P5 conference -- again, must be in the Top 10. After the quarter final rounds, it'll be exactly as it is today with the "major" bowls rotating every year. You can still have the other bowl games they just will lose some interest (not that they have much anyway. Always felt 8 was the right number. 16 is way too many teams.
First they aren't a P5 team. Second they don't have signature win. If a Triple A team has an outstanding season should they play in the MLB playoffs??
I’m assuming this more sarcasm? Of course AAA shouldn’t play in MLB playoffs.
Two different leagues.
FBS currently consists of P5 and Group of 5. And the playoffs are supposed to be FBS playoffs. Clearly not. Something must be changed.
Yes P5 and Group of 5. There was a reason the Group of 5 wasn't given a guarantee slot. They are not the same. I have no idea why you can't comprehend that.
I don’t expect them to give a G5 team a guaranteed spot.
I do expect them to give an undefeated team a guaranteed spot like every other sports playoff system in the world.
Well you haven't been paying attention at all than. College football is unlike any other sport. It doesn't have a governing body, the conferences not the NCAA came up with the system. And the AAC was part of the rules approval. So go complain to the AAC.
UCF would get destroyed by Bama.
And I guess you don't watch one of the biggest leagues in the world. The EPL has no playoff either.