I don't normally read long posts, but when I do they are spaced appropriately and paragraphed.
Good post....
Good post....
Player departures
- Thread starter brianpoe
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Not looking forward to football season...baseball is up next-we always have a chance in baseball. Football frustrates the heck out of me.
Posted something like this with your dad. Just not as eloquent uh as you.
You use your tongue prettier han a twenty dollar *****
I think Hami and JV "feel" this is their chance; even if only FA contracts.
JV comments and Hami late great play then disappearance
JV because of potential injury and Hami just overating himself at this moment
Jmo. And I'm usually wrong.
Everyone keeps bringing up a center. If we get Gabriel, SKJ. Washington, Vanderbilt and Richards back, that's plenty good enough. Even without Vanderbilt, that's still a good big rotation. I don't know what the deal is with Vanderbilt but I feel he's the wildcard. Him and Washington would be hard to handle next year.
We should be very solid in the backcourt with Green, Baker, Quickley, Herro and Johnson. Much improved shooting. SGA is a very good student. Never know, he might just come back. If that happens, look out.
We should be very solid in the backcourt with Green, Baker, Quickley, Herro and Johnson. Much improved shooting. SGA is a very good student. Never know, he might just come back. If that happens, look out.
Wish I had seen this before my thread re: Mass exodus. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: Good points, BP!
You make great points. I hope history continues to hold.
I think there will be a couple of surprises either way. A player staying that should go or player go who should stay.
The point about wenyen is also a good one. I’ve never read or heard any legit person say wenyen is leaving regardless or has a hopeless family situation. Maybe he does he’s Sudanese and no doubt has haf trials but often first generation American kids are encouraged by their family that education has great value. Who knows we ll see.
I think there will be a couple of surprises either way. A player staying that should go or player go who should stay.
The point about wenyen is also a good one. I’ve never read or heard any legit person say wenyen is leaving regardless or has a hopeless family situation. Maybe he does he’s Sudanese and no doubt has haf trials but often first generation American kids are encouraged by their family that education has great value. Who knows we ll see.
No need for Cliff notes. You presented your argument in a pleasant and readable form. What I can't take is 10,000 words in one paragraph.
Then I take it you REALLY Hate dave5164's posts? Dude has a lot of good comments, but as soon as I see his name I move on, his posts are waaayyyy too long and have no paragraphs.
That's completely a sales pitch. An image he maintains for sake of recruiting. That's plain as the nose on your face. Why can't you see that? I truly don't understand how something SO SIMPLE could be twisted anything related to him not placing Kentucky very high on the list of priorities. And make no mistake, there are MANY priorities.
I can only reach one of two conclusions for someone that points to "player first" as anything negative. 1. Box of rocks. You can figure out the rest. 2. They are just looking for something to use as a point to bash Cal and the team. The message is so dirt plain, I can see no other rationale for its misinterpretation. Anyone that believes players first and only is right up there with the flat earthers in my opinion. I'm incapable of taking them serious.
You make some good points Brian. I like Cal but I don't always agree with how he builds rosters though. I just don't think we should have seasons anymore with no upperclassmen. I said this in another thread, but people don't realize how hard it is for an 18-19 year old freshman to play against a 22-24 year old experienced basketball player, no matter how highly rated the freshman is. Odds are next season we should have a much better team if we return the players that we should with the new guys we have signed. I thought we would have Briscoe and Humpheries back this season though so I wouldn't be shocked if we have some surprise players leave that should have stayed. Those two players were the upperclassmen this team needed and would have made a big difference for us had they stayed. That's not Cal's fault that they left but I think he should go after grad transfers so that we have experienced players to help our freshman. I'm not going to panic if we have more players than expected leave but it will be interesting to see what Cal does to counter that.
What is this ability you have to get inside Cals head and sipher what what he says is coach speak or real? I have to take what a man says as serious,or else he is a liar. There is no such thing as coach speak. Either what you say is real or it is a lie. I take the man at his word, but you seem to think Cal is a liar.
You can only decipher what's in Cal's head, the only time you can sipher is when you're in Pitino's head.
Jethro Bodin was always trying to sipher, or cipher.
I think it's pretty delusional for anyone to think we only lose 2 players from this squad. I hope I'm wrong. I agree that nobody besides the two you mentioned should consider it, but if the past is any indication we will likely lose more. If nothing else in the form of transfers and or overseas/D league, etc.
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You need to be like this UK team(have a longer wingspan)so you can reach more conclusions.So Cal is selling recruits a lie(your implication not mine)even used car salesmen are more honest than that.He says it a lot and has for a long time.The truth is neither of us know which one is his highest priority.Just for the record I would put my box of rocks up against yours any day when it comes to the subject of UK basketball (or football for that matter.)
My post wasn't a bash of Cal or the team but he (Cal) is not right 100% of the time,so to question something that he does or says does not constitute bashing.Can you reach that conclusion?
No, actually you can’t read. I never suggested he lied, misrepresented or otherwise. I did say he has more than one priority. No wonder you have trouble reading and interpreting information he puts out. Firms market to you every day. They do thus to serve the purpose of selling and making profit. Marketing isn’t lying. Marketing is stressing the strong points of your product to induce consumption. Any adult knows this.
Cal would be lying if he didn’t have guys in the NBA making some good cash. Word is he has one or two making a meager living.
Come back when you have a clue.
I read quite well,however I will stop reading or responding to anything you post.I like to give the benefit of the doubt to most everyone but in your case I'll make an exception.You appear to be what everyone on the board says you are(I'll let you reach your own conclusion about that)
Actually, the only ones that says that are the supposed fans ripping the program apart and don’t like being called on it. I’m not really fussed about someone that fails to grasp even the most elementary concepts of marketing and multiple goals.
I don't see SGA 's game translating to the NBA this year..All he can do is get to the rack .. He will have two 7' guys there waiting to cram it down his throat ..He is weak and cant shoot..should come back
What idiot said that? And what is it about Kentucky basketball that makes people think and say the dumbest things?
I am sure you are evaluating him by only his walk but I disagree...
My guess:
SGA at best will be the 3rd PG taken and could drop as far as the 6th PG which would make him borderline 1st Round.
I know but I just couldn't help myself,had to throw those two out there.
Not sure you read the OP as that was written based solely on past indications.
I'll repeat:
Past indications reveal:
No freshman has left that wasnt a 1st Rounder.
No transfer has left that wasnt being recruited over.
What you are stating would be NEW and nothing to do with past indications.
Not saying you are wrong to believe more will leave than 2 but stop saying past indications as they do not apply to this squad.
Yeah, that's a lot of words and all in the OP, but the reason kids leave either way is because of money, friends or family. They either make the first and rightfully leave, or get pressured by the other two....in order to make the first. Some players I miss when they go, and some I won't. I won't miss Knox for example. The next pass he makes on a fast break at UK will be his first. That's a me first guy, not a team guy. Hell, I can defend that. When you know one guy will take on to five, the other four teammates can be left ungauarded. Thays either on him or Cal, who knows.
Sometimes it's more than basketball skills that's a want to see stay another year. Not the same you will say, but my kid played her whole life, 4 years of D1 ball, and even internationally, for the USA; and I saw all kinds of quitters through those years. First sign of adversity, BOOM, they quit or transfer, which is almost the same thing. We've had our share at UK lately. If you leave for the pros, that's one thing, but if you leave for another reason, that's a problem. It may be a team problem, a coach problem, or a kid problrm; selecting a kid without any sticktuitiveness.
Many kids today are just natural born quitters, they will quit everything in life. Kids who leave at any sign of discomfort. But at some point, you need to either find guys who stay for the team, or for themselves. We need more men, mentally and not physically. It's a culture, and it needs to be created here, amongst the players and the fans. That seems to be lacking here, with the team and the fans. Look At all the posts dogging a freshman for poor play, when good lord, they are freshmen. They should be judged more on effort, and not only on results as a freshman. Yet, if they don't get resilts, we are done with them. And if they aren't strong enough to handle that, they become quitters. Which breeds more quitters. Which puts more pressure on OAD players, who are going to leave regardless. It's not the best culture for winning folks, and we all bear some blame in one way or another. Take away an ALL world player in Anthony Davis, and we may not have a title at all, while many "so called" lesser teams have them.
Sometimes it's more than basketball skills that's a want to see stay another year. Not the same you will say, but my kid played her whole life, 4 years of D1 ball, and even internationally, for the USA; and I saw all kinds of quitters through those years. First sign of adversity, BOOM, they quit or transfer, which is almost the same thing. We've had our share at UK lately. If you leave for the pros, that's one thing, but if you leave for another reason, that's a problem. It may be a team problem, a coach problem, or a kid problrm; selecting a kid without any sticktuitiveness.
Many kids today are just natural born quitters, they will quit everything in life. Kids who leave at any sign of discomfort. But at some point, you need to either find guys who stay for the team, or for themselves. We need more men, mentally and not physically. It's a culture, and it needs to be created here, amongst the players and the fans. That seems to be lacking here, with the team and the fans. Look At all the posts dogging a freshman for poor play, when good lord, they are freshmen. They should be judged more on effort, and not only on results as a freshman. Yet, if they don't get resilts, we are done with them. And if they aren't strong enough to handle that, they become quitters. Which breeds more quitters. Which puts more pressure on OAD players, who are going to leave regardless. It's not the best culture for winning folks, and we all bear some blame in one way or another. Take away an ALL world player in Anthony Davis, and we may not have a title at all, while many "so called" lesser teams have them.
I'm not really sure how SGA's game translates to the NBA. He's crafty and can finish with both hands, but he's not super athletic and has a slow shot release. But even if he wanted to come back, which is certainly possible, would Cal take him back? I could picture Cal personally signing him with an agent without his knowledge, filing the NBA paperwork, and confiscating his key to Wildcat Lodge.
Then on draft night: "Get this, Shai Gilgious-Alexander wanted to come back for his SOPHOMORE SEASON! ARE YOU KIDD....WHAT???!!! He's ready now. I. do. not. hold. kids. back!"
Then on draft night: "Get this, Shai Gilgious-Alexander wanted to come back for his SOPHOMORE SEASON! ARE YOU KIDD....WHAT???!!! He's ready now. I. do. not. hold. kids. back!"
I read it the first time and understood your point. Yes, it would be new for us to lose Freshmen but it's a growing trend for UK players who have no business leaving early to do so. That's the part I'm focused on when I say past indications. It's a short step for it to start being freshmen too. As the trend grows.
Draymond Green? LOL. Draymond Green can actually shoot the ball.