PJ Washington

Looksbetterinblue

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I think it’s smart and don’t understand why some have an issue. Let’s say you want to sell a classic car and get the most for it. You go meet with professionals and get the lay of the land and current market for what you have to sell. It’s one of the biggest decisions he will make financially and doing this gives him real feedback and also the experience which could help next year. Maybe most other guys at his position decide to stay in school; and this moves him up to where he couldn’t even go next year- this leaves him the option to take advantage of that. There is no good or plausible reason not to do this. What am I missing?

But sure I hope the right decision is that he comes back
 
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ZaytovenCat

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I make no apologies , I'm sick of this crap we have produced . Average Joe's wanting the limelight , I know its the correct way to play the system but I'm fed up with the system . I'm not really pissed at PJ , its this BS system
PREACH!
 

GonzoCat90

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I make no apologies , I'm sick of this crap we have produced . Average Joe's wanting the limelight , I know its the correct way to play the system but I'm fed up with the system . I'm not really pissed at PJ , its this BS system

What has the system produced? What are you mad about? What limelight is PJ seeking? He's getting feedback for his future career.

After Spring Break the juniors and seniors where I teach are doing mock job interviews and getting feedback.
 

TankedCat

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look at it this way, if PJ is testing the waters, based on what we know at the moment, its very, very likely he'll come back, it virtually eliminates any possibility he's a transfer in the off season AND it potentially helps future recruiting.

There are positives to this, and again, assuming there is virtually no chance he will get advice to go pro, few negatives that I can see.
 
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GonzoCat90

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He and his dad both recently said that without a first round guarantee that players should come back and that PJ will do that.

Do you think he's a first round pick right now? Is a team going to guarantee him that? If so, I think we're all in agreement that that would be very wise of him to take advantage of. If someone offers you $1 million for your $300k house, you sell it.

More likely, the reality that we all live in plays out in the way we've essentially already been told that it will. And like six of you whine and gnash your teeth for a couple of weeks like you always do, even when we're told the plan in advance.
 
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ManitouDan_anon

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The system has produced average players with glaring holes in their game to consider going pro early , not going pro , going pro early , before they have too. Really , does he need a pro scout to say " you need to expand your shooting ability " " your ball handling need improvement" " your passing needs help" " you need experience " Does he need a pro scout to tell him the obvious ? Additionally whether , you , me or anyone likes it this is that Kentucky effect . Everyone must try to go early as possible .
 
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What has the system produced? What are you mad about? What limelight is PJ seeking? He's getting feedback for his future career.

After Spring Break the juniors and seniors where I teach are doing mock job interviews and getting feedback.
How dare your juniors and seniors seek to become gainfully employed. Why can't they just be loyal to your school!!!!1!111!!!
 

Mr Schwump

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The system has produced average players with glaring holes in their game to consider going pro early , not going pro , going pro early , before they have too. Really , does he need a pro scout to say " you need to expand your shooting ability " " your ball handling need improvement" " your passing needs help" " you need experience " Does he need a pro scout to tell him the obvious ? Additionally whether , you , me or anyone likes it this is that Kentucky effect . Everyone must try to go early as possible .
One would hope his college coaches would tell him that stuff and save him time and energy.
 

GonzoCat90

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How dare your juniors and seniors seek to become gainfully employed. Why can't they just be loyal to your school!!!!1!111!!!

Probably why we don't have any national titles. Kids are too focused on college and their careers.
 

RoyKent

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Hope he returns. Honestly never thought He would be the first want to declare of the group
 

TankedCat

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The system has produced average players with glaring holes in their game to consider going pro early , not going pro , going pro early , before they have too. Really , does he need a pro scout to say " you need to expand your shooting ability " " your ball handling need improvement" " your passing needs help" " you need experience " Does he need a pro scout to tell him the obvious ? Additionally whether , you , me or anyone likes it this is that Kentucky effect . Everyone must try to go early as possible .

Diallo might be a better example - if you are to believe the comments on this board, he seems hell bent to leave regardless of what he is told, a year in the G-league is better than another year at Kentucky.

the frustration for me is a guy that is right on the edge - probably good enough to get a shot with a team but not good enough to get off the bench and will probably be sent to the leagues and only see 10 day contracts or whatever.
 

GonzoCat90

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The system has produced average players with glaring holes in their game to consider going pro early , not going pro , going pro early , before they have too. Really , does he need a pro scout to say " you need to expand your shooting ability " " your ball handling need improvement" " your passing needs help" " you need experience " Does he need a pro scout to tell him the obvious ? Additionally whether , you , me or anyone likes it this is that Kentucky effect . Everyone must try to go early as possible .

Must have missed your posts in the Knox thread.
 
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look at it this way, if PJ is testing the waters, based on what we know at the moment, its very, very likely he'll come back, it virtually eliminates any possibility he's a transfer in the off season AND it potentially helps future recruiting.

There are positives to this, and again, assuming there is virtually no chance he will get advice to go pro, few negatives that I can see.
Marcus Lee went this route and ended up transferring. I don't know that there is a danger of PJ transferring, he is much more an integral part of what Cal wants to do next year than Lee ever was.

The only downside I can see to PJ Washington declaring is if he doesn't get an invite to the combine, they only invite 60 kids. He's probably okay in that regard, although it's not certain. I think some of our players if they decide to declare may not end up getting an invite (Wenyen and Nick).
 

EmCats3

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And so it begins...

If it were truly just about seeing where his stock is then he should have waited til next year to do it. Doing it now feels more like he’s wanting to go.
So you’re telling me that if you had the chance to see where you’re at for your potential dream job, you wouldn’t do it?

Also, I find it funny how of all the positive threads about Knox or SGA coming back this is the one you decide to comment on. Oh, other than calling someone a “douche canoe” in the Knox thread.
 
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TankedCat

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Marcus Lee went this route and ended up transferring. I don't know that there is a danger of PJ transferring, he is much more an integral part of what Cal wants to do next year than Lee ever was.

The only downside I can see to PJ Washington declaring is if he doesn't get an invite to the combine, they only invite 60 kids. He's probably okay in that regard, although it's not certain. I think some of our players if they decide to declare may not end up getting an invite (Wenyen and Nick).
I would have liked to have seen Lee have a Senior Night
 

Sparkaces

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Kyle Tucker just said it looks like he will put off surgery on his finger to go through the combine. Really wish he would just stay and get healthy.
 

GonzoCat90

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Again..more than twice.

We get that he can do it twice. You dont understand the definition of more .

Which is what I mean by saying that he seems to be thinking of he comes back it would be for 1 year no matter what.

If he can do it more than once, how does him testing equate to coming back for only one more year no matter what?
 

ManitouDan_anon

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Must have missed your posts in the Knox thread.

I didnt read it , it was 4 pages long when I saw it . Dont feel like investing the time . Hope KK , JV , PJ and all of them come back , I fully expect Shai and Kevin to go .. I'm not " that guy " if you are a lottery pick YOU GO . But if you are 2nd round unless there are some pretty compelling facts why 1 more year at UK isnt a option then it pisses me off . Its a little , not exactly , but a little like " if you are not in the mood for a new girl , don't flirt" .
 

GonzoCat90

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I didnt read it , it was 4 pages long when I saw it . Dont feel like investing the time . Hope KK , JV , PJ and all of them come back , I fully expect Shai and Kevin to go .. I'm not " that guy " if you are a lottery pick YOU GO . But if you are 2nd round unless there are some pretty compelling facts why 1 more year at UK isnt a option then it pisses me off . Its a little , not exactly , but a little like " if you are not in the mood for a new girl , don't flirt" .

But that's not what's going on here. He's gaining experience and gathering information for when he does go pro.

This is what the guys projected where he is do. John Wall doesn't need this. Kids who need a couple years in college do.
 
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I would have liked to have seen Lee have a Senior Night
Sure. But he didn't want to stay. And he wasn't a "missing piece" from our 2017 team. He was about the same player this year as he was for us as a junior. He would have stretches of solid games (probably more than he had at UK) followed by plenty of no-shows. He fouled out of his last 4 games, and Cal lost 8-strait to end their season.
 
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If he can do it more than once, how does him testing equate to coming back for only one more year no matter what?

Because it doesnt make too much sense to exhaust your combine eligibility in years you do not declare.

He could not go to combine next year..but based on where he projects now and hes still going that doesnt seem likely.
 

GonzoCat90

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Because it doesnt make too much sense to exhaust your combine eligibility in years you do not declare.

He could not go to combine next year..but based on where he projects now and hes still going that doesnt seem likely.

Gotcha. I understand now.
 

ManitouDan_anon

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But that's not what's going on here. He's gaining experience and gathering information for when he does go pro.

This is what the guys projected where he is do. John Wall doesn't need this. Kids who need a couple years in college do.

Seems like we are the team that does it as some sort of obligation . No where but here do players flirt with the NBA and early entry in the same way ours do . Again I'm not mad at PJ , or JV , certainly not 1st rounders like SGA or Kevin , but if you are certain you are not a 1st round pick , and you have given the perception that you are not going unless you are a 1st round pick , why the theatrics ? to be told your weakness's ? I'm not buying it .
 

Cip2Cool

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Don't be shocked when Vando and Green follow suit. Why wouldn't they? It's logical, free and doesn't affect the eligibility in college. The system was adjusted to this in order for people to go and get free information.
 

bradscats

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If he can do it more than once, how does him testing equate to coming back for only one more year no matter what?
Doesn’t necessarily. But if he does the combine this year, he will not be able to do it again without staying in the draft. If you feel very certain you are a second rounder and will be back if that’s the case, why not get your finger fixed and save this opportunity for next year? What happens if he comes back this year and then goes to the combine next year to find out he is still not a first rounder? Then we once again lose a guy to the NBA drafts second round and question why that happens so often here and not everywhere else.
 

GonzoCat90

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Seems like we are the team that does it as some sort of obligation . No where but here do players flirt with the NBA and early entry in the same way ours do . Again I'm not mad at PJ , or JV , certainly not 1st rounders like SGA or Kevin , but if you are certain you are not a 1st round pick , and you have given the perception that you are not going unless you are a 1st round pick , why the theatrics ? to be told your weakness's ? I'm not buying it .

No one else has recruited nearly as many pros as we have.

But if you'll look around you'll see that this isn't unusual.

Arizona has guys like Simmons, Jarrett, Ashley, etc leave early to be second rounders or undrafted.

Duke lost Frank Jackson to the second round.

Louisville is losing Spalding to potentially going undrafted.

Carr from Penn State is declaring off an NIT team while projected as a second rounder.

64 guys declared early last year. Only 37 of them were drafted. Dozens more than that tested the waters.


There's no reason not to go gather info on your game, find out which teams like you and what they want to see you improve, see which front offices you click with, network, get your name out there, and gain experience to do this for real when the time comes.
 
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ManitouDan_anon

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No one else has recruited nearly as many pros as we have.

But if you'll look around you'll see that this isn't unusual.

Arizona has guys like Simmons, Jarrett, Ashley, etc leave early to be second rounders or undrafted.

Duke lost Frank Jackson to the second round.

Louisville is losing Spalding to potentially going undrafted.

Carr from Penn State is declaring off an NIT team while projected as a second rounder.

64 guys declared early last year. Only 37 of them were drafted. Dozens more than that tested the waters.


There's no reason not to go gather info on your game, find out which teams like you and what they want to see you improve, see which front offices you click with, network, get your name out there, and gain experience to do this for real when the time comes.


Legit response . Man I hate the system the NBA has produced.
 
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UK_fan_41102

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The way the rules are now he and everyone else should declare. You never know, someone may be crazy about you and give you a guarantee.
Someone could give you a guarantee and then renege on it too(another player they like better falls to them).
 
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I’m talking about the combine. Can only do that once and then come back. I would think he would be better served waiting to use that next year as it seems highly unlikely he is going to get anyone to tell him he is anything more than a mid second rounder.
Are you or the person who liked your post a professional scout?
 

LetsHang9

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And so it begins...

If it were truly just about seeing where his stock is then he should have waited til next year to do it. Doing it now feels more like he’s wanting to go.
Oh stfu. You said the same crap about Diallo last year.
 
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And so it begins...

If it were truly just about seeing where his stock is then he should have waited til next year to do it. Doing it now feels more like he’s wanting to go.
They all want to go, it’s about giving yourself as much information as possible to make the right decision.
 
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