PFF grades OL

73 Red I

All-Conference
Nov 25, 2007
5,522
2,877
113
Four OL with passing grades of under 30. Both tackles and guards. Coaching??
 

redwine65

All-Conference
Jun 23, 2010
10,846
2,165
113
Four OL with passing grades of under 30. Both tackles and guards. Coaching??
I think the left coast gimmicky passing offense stuff is confusing the o-line, they don't know if they are run blocking, pass blocking or what...it's like they want them to look like the blonde chick from abba with her 2 handsup doing a shuffle...meanwhile the defense sends everyone and their mom cause they know martinez can't pass 70% of the time, and turns into a deer in the headlights.
 
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oldjar07

All-Conference
Oct 25, 2009
9,472
2,013
113
I think the left coast gimmicky passing offense stuff is confusing the o-line, they don't know if they are run blocking, pass blocking or what...it's like they want them to look like the blonde chick from abba with her 2 handsup doing a shuffle...meanwhile the defense sends everyone and their mom cause they know martinez can't pass 70% of the time, and turns into a deer in the headlights.
That may be part of it, but they need to have some aggression and fire in their belly to go out and seek a guy to block even if it wasn't drawn up exactly. I don't see that at all from these guys.
 

Ctlbyr

Redshirt
Dec 7, 2007
178
16
18
Weakest unit on this team O line. I read where some think we need better running backs. I like our backs but they never have a hole to run through. A.M. spent most of day running for his life against Buffalo. Why don’t they pull some of these guys and insert others. Frost and Austin tell us how deep they are. Show us, it can’t get much worse
 
Jan 14, 2017
3,160
493
47
Weakest unit on this team O line. I read where some think we need better running backs. I like our backs but they never have a hole to run through. A.M. spent most of day running for his life against Buffalo. Why don’t they pull some of these guys and insert others. Frost and Austin tell us how deep they are. Show us, it can’t get much worse
The problem is the backups still have the same position coach. But maybe they are better because they receive LESS coaching than the starters
 

Suhrreal

All-Conference
Jun 1, 2009
7,380
1,049
0
Weakest unit on this team O line. I read where some think we need better running backs. I like our backs but they never have a hole to run through. A.M. spent most of day running for his life against Buffalo. Why don’t they pull some of these guys and insert others. Frost and Austin tell us how deep they are. Show us, it can’t get much worse

Our RBs have shown nothing. Absolutely nothing at all. Stepp is the only guy with any decent tape at this level. I think that's why we're seeing so much Ervin early because the coaches already know the other guys aren't going to give them anything. It's why they ran Wandale into the dirt. If all our RBs transferred out it would be a non-event. I would love to hear from kids on the team if they think Brody Belt is a better RB than the guys we have back there.

And with that said, the OL is not much better. Where is Huskerssalts I can't remember if I made a bet with that guy but he thought Benhart was going to be some all-world player. It's been 3 years and that guy is still softer than play-doh! We have an OL comprised of mamas boys. They just want to eat mom's cookies and pies and cakes and pipeline burritos and they don't want to hurt nobody.
 

73 Red I

All-Conference
Nov 25, 2007
5,522
2,877
113
I think the left coast gimmicky passing offense stuff is confusing the o-line, they don't know if they are run blocking, pass blocking or what...it's like they want them to look like the blonde chick from abba with her 2 handsup doing a shuffle...meanwhile the defense sends everyone and their mom cause they know martinez can't pass 70% of the time, and turns into a deer in the headlights.
So we need after OL??
 

Suhrreal

All-Conference
Jun 1, 2009
7,380
1,049
0
Our RBs have shown nothing. Absolutely nothing at all. Stepp is the only guy with any decent tape at this level. I think that's why we're seeing so much Ervin early because the coaches already know the other guys aren't going to give them anything. It's why they ran Wandale into the dirt. If all our RBs transferred out it would be a non-event. I would love to hear from kids on the team if they think Brody Belt is a better RB than the guys we have back there.

And with that said, the OL is not much better. Where is Huskerssalts I can't remember if I made a bet with that guy but he thought Benhart was going to be some all-world player. It's been 3 years and that guy is still softer than play-doh! We have an OL comprised of mamas boys. They just want to eat mom's cookies and pies and cakes and pipeline burritos and they don't want to hurt nobody.

After seeing this I like Ervin just a little bit more.

 

Rcnut223

Sophomore
Apr 22, 2004
1,685
108
63
Our RBs have shown nothing. Absolutely nothing at all. Stepp is the only guy with any decent tape at this level. I think that's why we're seeing so much Ervin early because the coaches already know the other guys aren't going to give them anything. It's why they ran Wandale into the dirt. If all our RBs transferred out it would be a non-event. I would love to hear from kids on the team if they think Brody Belt is a better RB than the guys we have back there.

And with that said, the OL is not much better. Where is Huskerssalts I can't remember if I made a bet with that guy but he thought Benhart was going to be some all-world player. It's been 3 years and that guy is still softer than play-doh! We have an OL comprised of mamas boys. They just want to eat mom's cookies and pies and cakes and pipeline burritos and they don't want to hurt nobody.
Agree with your assessment of the RB's. I see no burst . Watch great backs run, they read the bloacking and Burst into the hole. They possess great balance and power.

Ours?
 

WHCSC

All-Conference
Feb 4, 2002
10,802
3,614
88
Agree with your assessment of the RB's. I see no burst . Watch great backs run, they read the bloacking and Burst into the hole. They possess great balance and power.

Ours?
What about when there's no hole to burst into?
 

dinglefritz

Heisman
Jan 14, 2011
51,510
12,935
78
Yeah he has really stepped that part of his game up since Illinois. Even started to find a grove running at the end of the game as well.


Pretty grown up running for a true freshman. He's a complete back IMO. I think he's fairly impressive considering that he still has to be getting used to the speed of real games. He's going to be a good back for us.
 

leodisflowers

Senior
Feb 25, 2011
14,801
808
0
Pretty grown up running for a true freshman. He's a complete back IMO. I think he's fairly impressive considering that he still has to be getting used to the speed of real games. He's going to be a good back for us.
He's got a long ways to go, but you can actually see he is getting better, which is a really good thing.
 

BleedRed78

Redshirt
Oct 22, 2019
3,466
0
0
I still think Stepp is the best guy now but Ervin showed progress last week. He's gonna be the guy for sure
 

inWV

All-Conference
Sep 22, 2007
14,189
4,837
91
Pretty grown up running for a true freshman. He's a complete back IMO. I think he's fairly impressive considering that he still has to be getting used to the speed of real games. He's going to be a good back for us.
Ervin has the wheels to make things happen on the edge and had a couple of good runs in the second half.
 

obobbo

Freshman
Jan 30, 2006
1,853
53
0
Our oline coach sucks at both. Hopefully he is soon to be both a former player and former coach
He was no good as a player.He was always hurt and he is rubbing off on the oline.H'ell he cant even get 1 Black oline player .If he was white i would start to think he was racist,but he is black and cant even get 1 black olineman..
 

obobbo

Freshman
Jan 30, 2006
1,853
53
0
Our defense seems to be a little better having Peters and Forman around them,Maybe some of those tuff hard nose lineman we use to have should start hanging around the oline ,during weights too.Maybe they can get them to start playing Mean and Nasty..
 

NikkiSixx_rivals269993

All-Conference
Sep 14, 2013
9,783
2,445
0
After seeing this I like Ervin just a little bit more.


If you watch the left tackle, Corcoran, seems to leave his gap to try to help out with the center Jurgens getting beat pretty easily, and in doing so, creates a problem for Martinez.

I don't normally watch the Oline very closely, but both those players look like they messed up on this play.
 
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Aug 18, 2016
16,644
10,919
113
If you watch the left tackle, Corcoran, seems to leave his gap to try to help out with the center Jurgens getting beat pretty easily, and in doing so, creates a problem for Martinez.

I don't normally watch the Oline very closely, but both those players look like they messed up on this play.
The OL was outnumbered 6-5, the guy lined up over the LT appears to be a spy, so the LT moved to help. It only became a problem when Martinez rolls left. Btw the TE on the crossing route, wide freaking open.
 

antirowboat

Redshirt
Jan 30, 2021
1,938
13
0
The problem is the way that Scott Frost wants the OL to be coached up. He loves to talk about TO and the way he did things, but then he goes and wants the OL to do the most retarded **** ever.....they are coached up to take a step backwards as their first movement and they are not coached up to drive back a defenders. THey are coached up to shield block and that goes back to the soft *** Pac 12 football that some teams have done out there.

The ability is there for some of the guys on the OL and two from last year made NFL rosters for **** sakes. Thus, it's scheming and coaching of the wrong type of fundamentals.
 

JabroniBlvd

Redshirt
Nov 5, 2005
1,390
4
0
Piper is not getting it done I know that. We need to see what Nouili or Banks can do at OG. Maybe even slide Corcoran inside and play Teddy at OT. Heck, he wasn't good but even Hixson might be better at OG than what I've seen.
 

HominidHusker

Senior
Jun 25, 2018
3,727
743
0
I rewatched the first half of Buffalo for OL analysis.
While it was better than Illinois (good sign), still too many whiffs, including some where guys seem locked into getting to a an empty spot w/ no defender over blocking a guy who’s there to make a play. Also some classic displays of poor technique.
A couple failures were on the TE.

Overall, Corcoran is simply not ready for the big time. Piper is a major liability.
This makes the left side a problem area.
Sichterman had a couple bad plays.
Jurgens and Benhart sometimes get blown off the line too easily.

Then there’s scheme. It’s hard to know the purpose what their trying to do, but it appeared some of our pulling of linemen is not done to create a proper hole but more to distract defenders (e.g. run into the side OL just left, losing any numbers advantage).
Another (for example) play where Benning thought it was a QB designed run up the middle but two WR’s made no attempt to get upfield and block defenders that could have sprung a longer run, even though they were obviously in run block mode, but just hanging out on the edge with no defenders as if they were expecting the run to their side.

LB’s could easily fill gaps and make plays unblocked because our guys were twirling around the line sometimes blocking no one. This also ties back into being able to make defenses pay with our passing, which we’ve struggled with despite a few big plays.

On a 3rd and 3 after AM overthrew Hickman high and behind 5 yds away (smh), he rolled right and could have seen Ervin streaking wide open for a TD, but I would suspect even if he saw him he lacked the confidence to make the throw and would still opt to run for the first down- a safer play that was not a bad decision, just giving up on a TD.
 

scorcher2

Heisman
Jan 6, 2003
63,165
14,499
0
That may be part of it, but they need to have some aggression and fire in their belly to go out and seek a guy to block even if it wasn't drawn up exactly. I don't see that at all from these guys.
The scheme is to literally mirror the defender... They don't play aggressive and thats what Frost wants. Austin hates it.
 

antirowboat

Redshirt
Jan 30, 2021
1,938
13
0
The scheme is to literally mirror the defender... They don't play aggressive and thats what Frost wants. Austin hates it.

Yep. That **** fails in the Big Ten. It's the biggest reason why Frost has a losing record to every Big Ten West team.
 

oldjar07

All-Conference
Oct 25, 2009
9,472
2,013
113
The scheme is to literally mirror the defender... They don't play aggressive and thats what Frost wants. Austin hates it.
I don't believe for a second Austin isn't mostly to blame. He has plenty of input into how aggressively they play.
 

steinek11

All-Conference
Apr 18, 2004
13,507
1,242
113
Yep. That **** fails in the Big Ten. It's the biggest reason why Frost has a losing record to every Big Ten West team.
I want to hear from some former players on our O-Line style of play. Hoskinson is not afraid to run his mouth. I think we've got some talent on the line, but I am convinced player development and philosophy are severely lacking, and that is 100% on Frost.
 

HuskerAlum92

Junior
Jan 8, 2007
4,733
346
0
The scheme is to literally mirror the defender... They don't play aggressive and thats what Frost wants. Austin hates it.
Yet Austin has worked under Frost for 6 years at two schools.

There are many problems and some can be explained by sub-par assistants. But here’s my problem with talking about problems with assistant coaches: the assumption is that if we just had a really good assistant coach instead then all would be well.

But there are many problems that won’t be fixed by changing assistants. Including: horrific game time management, consistently outcoached with halftime adjustments, lack of accountability for mental errors, inability to gameplan for both odd/even fronts with an entire offseason, HC being so focused on offense to not challenge obvious bad calls while on defense, complete and utter disregard for special teams, playing practice players over playmakers, playing favorites in general, clapping excuses, trying to duck 50 year anniversary games. What did I miss?
 

oldjar07

All-Conference
Oct 25, 2009
9,472
2,013
113
Yet Austin has worked under Frost for 6 years at two schools.

There are many problems and some can be explained by sub-par assistants. But here’s my problem with talking about problems with assistant coaches: the assumption is that if we just had a really good assistant coach instead then all would be well.

But there are many problems that won’t be fixed by changing assistants. Including: horrific game time management, consistently outcoached with halftime adjustments, lack of accountability for mental errors, inability to gameplan for both odd/even fronts with an entire offseason, HC being so focused on offense to not challenge obvious bad calls while on defense, complete and utter disregard for special teams, playing practice players over playmakers, playing favorites in general, clapping excuses, trying to duck 50 year anniversary games. What did I miss?
There is some truth to this. Great head coaches get the most out of their assistants, while average or bad head coaches get much less out of them. I'd even go as far as to say the head coach has been the main issue here. That said, when assistants aren't cutting it, they need to be replaced. Austin hasn't been cutting it since year 1 and should have been replaced back then.