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WVpride304

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We need to see more. His stats were mostly from 3 overtime’s and 55 minutes. He didn’t have to share minutes with Knapper and Beetle out. I bet anything that Knapper would have scored way more and we win in regulation with Knapper.

Knapper has already showed his promise. McCabe finally showed something tonight. Both will improve. Beetle may be the one squeezed out.

Knapper and McCabe will get better for next year. They are freshmen. Knapper had no offseason last year. That won’t be the case this year. He will get a full healthy offseason to work out and develop.
 

WVUALLEN

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12 of his 25 were in regulation. 9 of his assist were regulation. Try again with your stupidity. He played 50 minutes not 55. Knapper had a great game against OU and a decent game against Baylor walk on players.

McCabe is the point. Where was Knapper after his so called promise games? That's right, not in the gym.

Quit with your lame excuses grow a pair of balls and admit McCabe will be the PG for the rest of his career at WVU. Next year he will average 30 to 32 minutes with 8 assist and 14 points.

Knapper will be the reliever for guards in foul trouble. If he's even here.
 

WVpride304

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If Knapper played all those minutes the last 2 games he would have scored 25 points or more both games. He just needs the minutes and experience too. I want to win. I’m glad McCabe got valuable experience and found some rhythm and confidence. Huggins should have helped these 2 more in November and December.

My point is Knapper has improved and just needs the minutes and confidence too. McCabe is going to have to improve and work his *** off to start over Knapper. Knapper will have a full offseason to work this year. Both are going to be better than Beetle. Beetle is not a point guard and is wild and out of control.
 

MountaineerWV

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If Knapper played all those minutes the last 2 games he would have scored 25 points or more both games. He just needs the minutes and experience too. I want to win. I’m glad McCabe got valuable experience and found some rhythm and confidence. Huggins should have helped these 2 more in November and December.

My point is Knapper has improved and just needs the minutes and confidence too. McCabe is going to have to improve and work his *** off to start over Knapper. Knapper will have a full offseason to work this year. Both are going to be better than Beetle. Beetle is not a point guard and is wild and out of control.

If so, then why didn't he perform as well as you said he "would" in the previous games? Yeah, STFU.
 

WVpride304

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Where was McCabe in previous games? Neither one of these guys ever got to play big minutes without being taken out. That hurt both Knapper and McCabe development and confidence.

Knapper and Horton are both good but don’t get to stay in long stretches to get comfortable. That’s Huggs fault.
 

eerdoc

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Where was McCabe in previous games? Neither one of these guys ever got to play big minutes without being taken out. That hurt both Knapper and McCabe development and confidence.

Knapper and Horton are both good but don’t get to stay in long stretches to get comfortable. That’s Huggs fault.
Very easy answer to anyone paying even minimal attention--McCabe was on the bench after doing anything that certain folks on the coaching staff considered to be a 'mistake'. He was not being given any chance at all to develop confidence and feel for the game. Some games he would be sent in and play less than half a minute and out he would come. when in he was showing decent foot skill on defense and the ability to properly distribute the ball was evident. He was not in long enough to score many points and get in any sort of rhythm.
It seemed obvious that the staff favored the home state kid who rewarded them with numerous turnovers and very few assists. Sure, he had a couple games where he scored several points from taking a truck load of shots, some of which were a horrible choice and totally ill-advised. Yet , he removed playing more minutes than seemed justified).
Now, with the very short bench, the 'quick hook' cannot be utilized. Result is that McCabe has responded with eye catching performances. Note the assist to TO ratio over the time he has been allowed to play enough to raise a real sweat. The TCU game not only gave some of these kids a long time to build statistics, but ir showed who can play long periods and still be fresh enough to perform reasonably.
I have said repeatedly that I do not see Knapper having the proper skill set and mental make up to be successful as a PG. (He may develop into a scorer, but his ball handling is far inferior to that of McCabe as evidenced by his TOs and lack of assists.)
The constant drum beat for what Knapper will do under a variety of circumstances is nothing but pure speculation not supported by fact. Sure, his neck injury has opened the door for McCabe and opened the eyes of Huggs and he whole coaching staff. But, there is no denying that the kid has stepped forth with production. We have data to support his PT. All we have from Knapper are the 'thoughts' of a very biased fan with irrational and unfounded declarations of greatness.
The factless super hype has reached the point of causing severe nausea. I really care not whether Knapper stays or is asked to move on. Whatever the decision, my hope and trust is that the team will be improved by it.
 

WVpride304

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C’mon eerdoc you clearly have an agenda. Knapper was screwed over worse than McCabe. If Knapper got to play more minutes all year he would have become much better. Give the guy a break it takes a guard more time to get back the timing, rhythm after knee injuries and the summer blood clot that sidelined him like more than people realize.

McCabe benefited by getting to stay in and play with Beetle and Knapper injured. Knapper would have benefited as well but never got a chance. Huggs took him out quickly all year too. Knapper has been screwed over badly. Only home state kid getting favored was Harler. McCabe has been babied more than Knapper. When Knapper scored 25 in regulation in limited minutes you were no where to be found. Eerdoc you are one of those anti WV inferior complex wimps that thinks a player has to be better if he’s from out of state. Knapper hasn’t been given a shot either. He was completely poorly coached all year. Both were. This falls on Huggs. Knapper has cut his turnovers down and showed good potential. He just needs minutes, confidence to grow and develop too. They all do including Horton. All 3 can play but need confidence and minutes.
 

WVpride304

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Also rewatch the game. McCabe had 7 at halftime playing most of first half and 5 in 2nd half playing entire 2nd half. So McCabe scores pedestrian 12 points playing 36 minutes in regulation with nobody else available and not looking over his shoulder for 2nd game in row.

A bunch of free throws in 3 overtimes got his misleading 25 points. He played 55 minutes in 3 overtime’s. You should get some stats. Knapper would have scored 40 or more in 55 minutes and 3 overtimes.

Knapper would have put game away in regulation with big scoring and good defense. Game would have never went to overtime with Knapper playing and scoring big getting 36 minutes in regulation to get comfortable. Knapper gets 36 minutes in regulation vs a struggling, fading TCU team he scores 25 points in regulation. Doomes is the one that needs to go and will.
 

WVUALLEN

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It doesn't matter when, where, or why he got the points. It's that he did. Knapper would have wet himself after tripping over his own fee.

McCabe was born again Tuesday night. Will he get 10 to 20 again in the next game? Nobody knows. But 1 thing is for sure Culver dominated with McCabe throwing him the ball. If Knapper is ready he well be a nice fill in to give McCabe some rest.
 
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michaelwalkerbr

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Every player has good, bad and mediocre games within their abilities. How is it possible to state what any player 'would have done' on any given night? McCabe put up a combination of numbers not seen in college basketball since 2010 and not at WVU since Rod Thorn.

I don't care if he played 60 minutes! Increasing his output during the overtimes shows signs of being a clutch player to me. It's about time he began to show some of the skills he so famously displayed against players of any level in high school and AAU ball.

Does his game need to be refined to be productive at this level? Of course, such as driving instead of remaining static and showing off his dribbling skills. But he is doing it and just had the chance to show it.

I don't give a damn who plays how many minutes or where they're from. With talented players you teach them the techniques and playing style you expect and give them a chance to execute them to the best of their abilities. And they cannot be pulled after their first mistake, they need to know they have time to rectify it before coming out.

When a player has a good game he should be praised. This "Oh yeah? Well if the other guy had been in he would have done twice that!" is b.s. and hurts the credibility of the one saying it. You can't even predict what LeBron James will do in a given game. Give us a break.
 

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Very easy answer to anyone paying even minimal attention--McCabe was on the bench after doing anything that certain folks on the coaching staff considered to be a 'mistake'. He was not being given any chance at all to develop confidence and feel for the game. Some games he would be sent in and play less than half a minute and out he would come. when in he was showing decent foot skill on defense and the ability to properly distribute the ball was evident. He was not in long enough to score many points and get in any sort of rhythm.
It seemed obvious that the staff favored the home state kid who rewarded them with numerous turnovers and very few assists. Sure, he had a couple games where he scored several points from taking a truck load of shots, some of which were a horrible choice and totally ill-advised. Yet , he removed playing more minutes than seemed justified).
Now, with the very short bench, the 'quick hook' cannot be utilized. Result is that McCabe has responded with eye catching performances. Note the assist to TO ratio over the time he has been allowed to play enough to raise a real sweat. The TCU game not only gave some of these kids a long time to build statistics, but ir showed who can play long periods and still be fresh enough to perform reasonably.
I have said repeatedly that I do not see Knapper having the proper skill set and mental make up to be successful as a PG. (He may develop into a scorer, but his ball handling is far inferior to that of McCabe as evidenced by his TOs and lack of assists.)
The constant drum beat for what Knapper will do under a variety of circumstances is nothing but pure speculation not supported by fact. Sure, his neck injury has opened the door for McCabe and opened the eyes of Huggs and he whole coaching staff. But, there is no denying that the kid has stepped forth with production. We have data to support his PT. All we have from Knapper are the 'thoughts' of a very biased fan with irrational and unfounded declarations of greatness.
The factless super hype has reached the point of causing severe nausea. I really care not whether Knapper stays or is asked to move on. Whatever the decision, my hope and trust is that the team will be improved by it.
 

Hogan's Hero

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Love Knapper,but no way could he ever dish and find the bigs,the way Jordon does...Knapp should be a 2...honestly Brandon seems to be a perfect fit for Marshall...
 

Rootmaster

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McCabe scores pedestrian 12 points playing 36 minutes in regulation with nobody else available and not looking over his shoulder for 2nd game in row.

You seriously have something wrong with you. You would rather your "expert" judgments be correct than have a Mountaineer you don't self promote do well. I used to think you were just a loser that needs a forum audience to have any self worth. Now, it is obvious that you have some deep problems there NoPrideNeverRight.
 

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I know the excuse for not ignoring him is that he’s funny to pick on but this is absurd.

If everyone just put him on ignore he is gone in a month and we can get this board back to normal in time for football season.

I’ll start...
 

WVpride304

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Steeleridiot the board has already been dead and doesn’t matter who is here or not.

Again Knapper already showed he’s good enough to stay here and contribute. McCabe just showed some potential. They need to build on it. It’s a shame Knapper got the fluke neck sprain cause he was growing up nicely. Why argue this?

I guarantee Knapper would have scored a lot of points the last 2 games if he played all the minutes McCabe got. Why argue that?
 

WVpride304

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Thank god prattloser ignored me. He got owned for years. He’s a Keatoncornerloser wannabe that isn’t from WV and doesn’t live in WV. No connection to our great state. He doesn’t know ****. Total couch boy arm chair. Never played.
 

eerdoc

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C’mon eerdoc you clearly have an agenda. Knapper was screwed over worse than McCabe. If Knapper got to play more minutes all year he would have become much better. Give the guy a break it takes a guard more time to get back the timing, rhythm after knee injuries and the summer blood clot that sidelined him like more than people realize.

McCabe benefited by getting to stay in and play with Beetle and Knapper injured. Knapper would have benefited as well but never got a chance. Huggs took him out quickly all year too. Knapper has been screwed over badly. Only home state kid getting favored was Harler. McCabe has been babied more than Knapper. When Knapper scored 25 in regulation in limited minutes you were no where to be found. Eerdoc you are one of those anti WV inferior complex wimps that thinks a player has to be better if he’s from out of state. Knapper hasn’t been given a shot either. He was completely poorly coached all year. Both were. This falls on Huggs. Knapper has cut his turnovers down and showed good potential. He just needs minutes, confidence to grow and develop too. They all do including Horton. All 3 can play but need confidence and minutes.
"Clearly" have an agenda. Clear to only someone blind to facts. I have no idea of who you are, what your educational level is, or your age. From your discourse I can draw some reasonable conclusions. I consider any discussion with you to be fruitless and, quite honestly, promotes a feeling of taking advantage of one totally out of contact with reality. Hard to believe that any adult with even slightly sub par intelligence could utter the nonsense I have heard come from you. Thus I will refrain from engaging in conversation that a prompts such unrealistic responses that are embarrassing to read and cast a quite unrealthy image of you, even if you are incapable of realizing it.
 

WVpride304

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Eerdoc get with reality bud. You clearly never played past your local grade school team. You don’t know the process and what goes on at this level like I do. Your agenda is too talk nonsense to other posters who know more than you.

Bottom line Huggs hasn’t done a good job developing and bringing these guards mentioned along. McCabe and Knapper could have been better a month ago and before but Huggs slow walked them and hurt their confidence. Horton should have played over Harler. Haley isn’t good enough to have been given all those minutes at point guard all year. Beetle is not a point guard. Those minutes should have been given to Knapper and McCabe from the jump.
 

michaelwalkerbr

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Please guys, watch the whole thing. It's only 2:16 minutes long and it's funny as hell. It's also very close to the way many of us talk to each other. We make things way too personal and we push a lot of buttons when we claim things as fact that are actually our opinions or expectations.

Tell me when you disagree with me without disrespecting me. What is wrong with, "I see your point but I believe your impression is misguided. From my observations Bill Smith seems to have more raw talent and is further along in his development than Steve Jones. I can't help but wonder how he may have produced if given the opportunities Jones has received lately. Jones has impressed for a freshman the last couple of games, but if the minutes were reversed I believe Smith could have done even better."

"From watching what this season has become I can't help but wonder what Coach Huggins is thinking with some of his inexplicable management of playing time for several of the guys." That may be a little too sugary for a board like this, but civility is always respected. Watch the video please!
 

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We need to see more. His stats were mostly from 3 overtime’s and 55 minutes. He didn’t have to share minutes with Knapper and Beetle out. I bet anything that Knapper would have scored way more and we win in regulation with Knapper.

Knapper has already showed his promise. McCabe finally showed something tonight. Both will improve. Beetle may be the one squeezed out.

Knapper and McCabe will get better for next year. They are freshmen. Knapper had no offseason last year. That won’t be the case this year. He will get a full healthy offseason to work out and develop.


i agree with pride, if Knapper plays those minutes he scores 50 points ,has 20 assists and 10 steals and WVU wins by about 75 points in regulation
 

writeon

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We need to see more. His stats were mostly from 3 overtime’s and 55 minutes. He didn’t have to share minutes with Knapper and Beetle out. I bet anything that Knapper would have scored way more and we win in regulation with Knapper.

Knapper has already showed his promise. McCabe finally showed something tonight. Both will improve. Beetle may be the one squeezed out.

Knapper and McCabe will get better for next year. They are freshmen. Knapper had no offseason last year. That won’t be the case this year. He will get a full healthy offseason to work out and develop.
No way to know who will improve the most. Major problems this year for both. Right now it looks like it comes down to who is first at getting mentally prepared. McCabe has a big edge dribbling and passing.
 

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Love Knapper,but no way could he ever dish and find the bigs,the way Jordon does...Knapp should be a 2...honestly Brandon seems to be a perfect fit for Marshall...

Knapper is weak with his handles and a horrid passer............he needs to work on those two aspects.

I agree he is a more suited 2 but I'm hoping he works on the above mentioned.
 

WVpride304

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Knapper was ahead of him until he got hurt. Knapper was holding his own and finding some success against Big 12 competition and he had to look over his shoulder too. He wasn’t able to get rhythm either. Despite that he was beating McCabe out. He’s a better defender and more athletic than McCabe. He scores better too.

Knapper just needs minutes, confidence too. He needs to be able to play without having to share so many minutes as well. McCabe finally got that and it helped him but he needs to show it again today at Oklahoma. Knapper dominated Oklahoma with 25 points last month. Knapper has cut his turnovers down as well. I honestly see both getting pretty good and a lot better next year. Both will develop, get older, better. Huggs has 2 point guards the next 3 years. Knapper is valuable here cause he can play combo guard too. Keep both and grow.
 

WVUALLEN

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I guarantee Knapper would have scored a lot of points the last 2 games if he played all the minutes McCabe got. Why argue that?

A guarantee like this one is impossible to say. He didn't play that's a fact. So why assume something that didn't or can't happen. That's like saying I guarantee if I had grown 7 inches a week ago then I would be playing at WVU and doing better than Culver.

Nothing will guarantee that something random will happen at any specific time. That wouldn't be random.
 

WVUALLEN

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No guarantee that McCabe or Culver have another good game. But pride doesn't understand basketball. He only knows what if games.
 

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Very easy answer to anyone paying even minimal attention--McCabe was on the bench after doing anything that certain folks on the coaching staff considered to be a 'mistake'. He was not being given any chance at all to develop confidence and feel for the game. Some games he would be sent in and play less than half a minute and out he would come. when in he was showing decent foot skill on defense and the ability to properly distribute the ball was evident. He was not in long enough to score many points and get in any sort of rhythm.
It seemed obvious that the staff favored the home state kid who rewarded them with numerous turnovers and very few assists. Sure, he had a couple games where he scored several points from taking a truck load of shots, some of which were a horrible choice and totally ill-advised. Yet , he removed playing more minutes than seemed justified).
Now, with the very short bench, the 'quick hook' cannot be utilized. Result is that McCabe has responded with eye catching performances. Note the assist to TO ratio over the time he has been allowed to play enough to raise a real sweat. The TCU game not only gave some of these kids a long time to build statistics, but ir showed who can play long periods and still be fresh enough to perform reasonably.
I have said repeatedly that I do not see Knapper having the proper skill set and mental make up to be successful as a PG. (He may develop into a scorer, but his ball handling is far inferior to that of McCabe as evidenced by his TOs and lack of assists.)
The constant drum beat for what Knapper will do under a variety of circumstances is nothing but pure speculation not supported by fact. Sure, his neck injury has opened the door for McCabe and opened the eyes of Huggs and he whole coaching staff. But, there is no denying that the kid has stepped forth with production. We have data to support his PT. All we have from Knapper are the 'thoughts' of a very biased fan with irrational and unfounded declarations of greatness.
The factless super hype has reached the point of causing severe nausea. I really care not whether Knapper stays or is asked to move on. Whatever the decision, my hope and trust is that the team will be improved by it.

I feel like I just read the first 600 pages of "The Stand" by Stephen King...shew