Our next QB?

[Baz = Heisman]

Seems like a real possibility to me.



1) I know we were high on him out of HS.

2) He’s a dual threat guy which seems to fit the style of offense Lujan wants (think of all the running opps Stone had that he couldn’t leverage bc he’s slow).

3) He’s already a graduate and only has 1 year of eligibility left.

4) As much as we are all excited about O’Brien I can’t imagine he’s going to open the new palace as a true freshman.

 

[hdhntr1]

Seems like a real possibility to me.



1) I know we were high on him out of HS.

2) He’s a dual threat guy which seems to fit the style of offense Lujan wants (think of all the running opps Stone had that he couldn’t leverage bc he’s slow).

3) He’s already a graduate and only has 1 year of eligibility left.

4) As much as we are all excited about O’Brien I can’t imagine he’s going to open the new palace as a true freshman.

So what kind of stats?

 

[mickbula]

I bet we can land him if offer is sweet enuf. Probably twice as much as stone. I'd say let's go for it

 

[AdamOnFirst]

This is doable but a stretch. He was paid $1.5 M last year by Mizzou upon his transfer from PSU. He didn't have an amazing year but played pretty well for a top 25 team and didn't lose his job, so that $1.5M seems like a low end baseline starting point for his services. CGC has indicated our QB budget is lower than that, so the coins in the couch cushions would need to be found now.

 

[hdhntr1]

This is doable but a stretch. He was paid $1.5 M last year by Mizzou upon his transfer from PSU. He didn't have an amazing year but played pretty well for a top 25 team and didn't lose his job, so that $1.5M seems like a low end baseline starting point for his services. CGC has indicated our QB budget is lower than that, so the coins in the couch cushions would need to be found now.

Do you suppose that Mizzou is not willing to reup at that amount?

 

[hdhntr1]

Seems like a real possibility to me.



1) I know we were high on him out of HS.

2) He’s a dual threat guy which seems to fit the style of offense Lujan wants (think of all the running opps Stone had that he couldn’t leverage bc he’s slow).

3) He’s already a graduate and only has 1 year of eligibility left.

4) As much as we are all excited about O’Brien I can’t imagine he’s going to open the new palace as a true freshman.

From the stats he is basically Stone redo with a little better completion % and a better runner.

 

[Deeringfish]

From the stats he is basically Stone redo with a little better completion % and a better runner.

That might be just what Dr Lujan ordered. NU has to get another actual threat at receiver. Maybe Beau has a friend.

 

[AdamOnFirst]

Do you suppose that Mizzou is not willing to reup at that amount?

Probably not, but Mizzou has a lot of options. Pribula came into the season in a time share at QB out of camp, but the other half of the share got hurt right away. When Pribula got hurt, a talented freshman started playing as well, so they have to basically choose to to play and pay, can't pay em all.

 

[Gocatsgo2003]

From the stats he is basically Stone redo with a little better completion % and a better runner.

Much better runner.

 

[Catmandoo78]

This guy looks like he should be right up our alley. Cant say admissions can’t get him in.

 

[Baz = Heisman]

This guy looks like he should be right up our alley. Cant say admissions can’t get him in.

Yeah 100%. I’d be a little disappointed tbh if we didn’t at least take a good swing at him.

 

[Baz = Heisman]

Much better runner.

Was going to say. He’s a much better runner. Legit dual threat guy.

 

[Evanstonian]

From the stats he is basically Stone redo with a little better completion % and a better runner

At first I thought the same thing when I looked at his stats, but when I clicked on his highlight videos, I realized that his running ability makes him a really dynamic player. I say we should definitely go after him.

 

[Catmandoo78]

Yeah 100%. I’d be a little disappointed tbh if we didn’t at least take a good swing at him.

Illinois is reportedly recruiting him heavily. Have to assume the price will probably be high. Supposedly Altmeyer got $1.5M from them and Big Bert is talking about how they got a lot more NIL money to use this offseason. Maybe we will get lucky and they can’t afford to buy a pricey QB because they have to replace their OLine too

 

[hdhntr1]

Much better runner.

low bar

 

[techtim72]

Why is it so common for NU fans to fall in love with the next Ivy league grad athlete? For my part I would rather find the diamond who spilled someone else's blood out on a junior college field in Kansas. I could care less about the institution's academic pedigree. And yes, I know all about admittance, etc but directionally that's my attitude. A player from South Central Bofunk works just fine for me if he is big, ugly, mean, fast ....

 

[Deeringfish]

Why is it so common for NU fans to fall in love with the next Ivy league grad athlete? For my part I would rather find the diamond who spilled someone else's blood out on a junior college field in Kansas. I could care less about the institution's academic pedigree. And yes, I know all about admittance, etc but directionally that's my attitude. A player from South Central Bofunk works just fine for me if he is big, ugly, mean, fast ....

Well, where I agree with you, I think you answered your own question. The admissions challenge is real and an Ivy player should make the grade so we as fans tend to face that reality.

 

[Gocatsgo2003]

Well, where I agree with you, I think you answered your own question. The admissions challenge is real and an Ivy player should make the grade so we as fans tend to face that reality.

The issue is that Ivy League guys already have that degree in hand, so NU’s primary recruiting tactic doesn’t really hit. IMO most of those guys want the “football experience“ for their last year.

 

[CoralSpringsCat]

Why is it so common for NU fans to fall in love with the next Ivy league grad athlete? For my part I would rather find the diamond who spilled someone else's blood out on a junior college field in Kansas. I could care less about the institution's academic pedigree. And yes, I know all about admittance, etc but directionally that's my attitude. A player from South Central Bofunk works just fine for me if he is big, ugly, mean, fast ....

Why is it so common for NU fans to fall in love with the next Ivy league grad athlete? For my part I would rather find the diamond who spilled someone else's blood out on a junior college field in Kansas. I could care less about the institution's academic pedigree. And yes, I know all about admittance, etc but directionally that's my attitude. A player from South Central Bofunk works just fine for me if he is big, ugly, mean, fast ....

Find the best players wherever they are…prep school, JUCO, Ivy, MAC, I couldn’t care less as long as they can play. Adjust your pitch based on the individual, that’s why it’s called “recruiting” and not drafting.

 

[DaCat]

It’s more like free agency, unfettered and untamed.

 

[Catmandoo78]

Why is it so common for NU fans to fall in love with the next Ivy league grad athlete? For my part I would rather find the diamond who spilled someone else's blood out on a junior college field in Kansas. I could care less about the institution's academic pedigree. And yes, I know all about admittance, etc but directionally that's my attitude. A player from South Central Bofunk works just fine for me if he is big, ugly, mean, fast ....

I think because they seem more attainable. More likely to be drawn to NU than someone transferring from UGA. And more likely to get through admissions too.

 

[Jaguar 88]

Are you kidding me? Another one and done QB? What is the definition of insanity? Oh yeah, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. A question for you folks! Who is the winningest NU QB of all time? Was he a recruit or transfer? Our recent plethora of transfer QBs have left something to be desired. Yeah, Ramsey got us to our last B1G dance in Indy, but he was a one year wonder. We need to get a kid that wants to be at NU for the duration, and to do that you need to jazz up the offense. Ryan using a lot of the $$$$ he spent on the practice facility on NIL would have gone a long way in trying to make that happen. There has to be a kid , with a real good brain and arm that would love to come to NU.

 

[Baz = Heisman]

It’s more like free agency, unfettered and untamed.

Yeah it is and it’s sickening. The antithesis of what college football was and should be.

 

[Baz = Heisman]

I think because they seem more attainable. More likely to be drawn to NU than someone transferring from UGA. And more likely to get through admissions too.

Yes. And he’s also an NFL prospect so he’s clearly good.

 

[AdamOnFirst]

Are you kidding me? Another one and done QB? What is the definition of insanity? Oh yeah, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. A question for you folks! Who is the winningest NU QB of all time? Was he a recruit or transfer? Our recent plethora of transfer QBs have left something to be desired. Yeah, Ramsey got us to our last B1G dance in Indy, but he was a one year wonder. We need to get a kid that wants to be at NU for the duration, and to do that you need to jazz up the offense. Ryan using a lot of the $$$$ he spent on the practice facility on NIL would have gone a long way in trying to make that happen. There has to be a kid , with a real good brain and arm that would love to come to NU.

Go take a look at the CFP and tell me about transfers. The vast majority of P4 teams had transfer starters this year. The last four Heismans in a row were transfers. Catch up.

 

[Baz = Heisman]

Go take a look at the CFP and tell me about transfers. The vast majority of P4 teams had transfer starters this year. The last four Heismans in a row were transfers. Catch up.

You’re not wrong whatsoever but am I the only one who is losing interest with the mercenary transfer approach? I don’t think so. College sports are in a death spiral. It’s about “securing the bag” not degrees (mostly). It’s not about the front of the jersey. It’s about the back of the jersey. Conferences are no longer about regional alignment/certain styles of play. I can’t imagine we won’t be in a “super league” of 40-50 programs by 2030. I’m not sure why I dedicate so much time anymore when it objectively isn’t as fun as it used to be because it doesn’t mean what it once did.

 

[Anon1753033624]

Why watch semi-pro college football when you can watch the real thing on Sunday ?
Especially when the new landscape makes it even harder for your school to compete.

 

[Deeringfish]

64 Teams in four leagues of 16 each with two divisions of 8. Play 5 games in your division, 3 against the opposing division and one against each of the other leagues. Total of 11 games that determine a 32 team play off. Finalist play 16 games. You could throw in one non P64 game to bring the total to 12 regular season games and 17 total for the National Championship.

 

[stpaulcat]

Why watch semi-pro college football when you can watch the real thing on Sunday ?
Especially when the new landscape makes it even harder for your school to compete.

Because most of us are alumni of some college and enjoy rooting for our alma mater?

 

[Catmandoo78]

I can’t imagine we won’t be in a “super league” of 40-50 programs by 2030.

Well, if there’s a super league it won’t be 40-50. It will be closer to 20ish. And we certainty won’t be invited.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

You’re not wrong whatsoever but am I the only one who is losing interest with the mercenary transfer approach? I don’t think so. College sports are in a death spiral. It’s about “securing the bag” not degrees (mostly). It’s not about the front of the jersey. It’s about the back of the jersey. Conferences are no longer about regional alignment/certain styles of play. I can’t imagine we won’t be in a “super league” of 40-50 programs by 2030. I’m not sure why I dedicate so much time anymore when it objectively isn’t as fun as it used to be because it doesn’t mean what it once did.

Ratings are higher than they have ever been. TV revenue is at an all time high and sponsors whether corporate or individual are setting records.

what has happened has been inevitable for decades. Yearn for yesteryear all you want, it’s not reverting to 1980. There isn’t close to enough of you disgruntled dinosaurs to make a difference. Not many care.

Watch or play Tennis or Golf. There are no names on the front or the back of there polo shirt other than sponsors.

 

[AdamOnFirst]

Well, if there’s a super league it won’t be 40-50. It will be closer to 20ish. And we certainty won’t be invited.

This. It ain’t gonna be that big, if it happens. We basically already have that, there are 34 teams in the P2 and once the ACC falls apart about 6 more worthwhile teams out of that will get eaten up.

 

[corbi296]

Because most of us are alumni of some college and enjoy rooting for our alma mater?

But if it ends up that the players who play for these schools are nothing more than mercenaries for hire rather than student athletes with the same experiences and an allegiance to the school you attended, is there really still a connection? If I am going to watch paid professionals play sports, I’ll watch the best. I am a Cubs fan but I don’t watch the Iowa Cubs play, I watch the Chicago Cubs play. If college football teams turn out to be nothing more than a professional minor league NFL feeder system with a specific University as essentially the sponsor, I am not sure I am too interested in watching that.

 

[JustGary]

But if it ends up that the players who play for these schools are nothing more than mercenaries for hire rather than student athletes with the same experiences and an allegiance to the school you attended, is there really still a connection? If I am going to watch paid professionals play sports, I’ll watch the best. I am a Cubs fan but I don’t watch the Iowa Cubs play, I watch the Chicago Cubs play. If college football teams turn out to be nothing more than a professional minor league NFL feeder system with a specific University as essentially the sponsor, I am not sure I am too interested in watching that.

I’m sorry, but when has Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, and Texas been about the student part of student-athlete? To me it makes more sense to cheer for the team representing my University than the team representing my city. The fact the all players get money to entertain based on their ability is the result of having people pay to watch. The fact that Indiana is number 1 in the country definitely means a hell of a lot to all those who went to the University and a lot of those players transferred in. Most players in the portal are there for playing time. I like the fact that FBS kids are getting more of a chance to show their talent. I wasn’t one who was pro-NIL but now that we at that stage, the portal makes sense. My feeling has changed about our program but only because I think we can do more to get the talent we need and we decide to take the difficult path. I think the system can be changed to allow schools to match offers from poaching schools, if the original contract has that clause. But they are now student-athlete-employees.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

Football or Basketball can be a professional career. In essence, this is the major of many players. Is it any different in practice than being a computer science major? Why are some critical of the the “student” that leaves after 2 years of college basketball and makes millions in the NBA? Doesn’t have a degree? Who cares in that situation, their earning potential is 100x that of the computer science major that got the parchment.

Are fans worried about the run of the mill player who can’t cut it professionally? Do these same people fret about the finance major who can’t cut it in Wall Street? I said this 1000 times, it’s about affording an opportunity to these athletes to better themselves by a learning a transferable skill to the real world. If they don’t take advantage of that too bad, so sad. As far as money and free movement. The adults in the room created the problem by greed and refusing to address these issues in a collaborative fashion.

 

[AdamOnFirst]

But if it ends up that the players who play for these schools are nothing more than mercenaries for hire rather than student athletes with the same experiences and an allegiance to the school you attended, is there really still a connection? If I am going to watch paid professionals play sports, I’ll watch the best. I am a Cubs fan but I don’t watch the Iowa Cubs play, I watch the Chicago Cubs play. If college football teams turn out to be nothing more than a professional minor league NFL feeder system with a specific University as essentially the sponsor, I am not sure I am too interested in watching that.

You’ve been blustering for several years now that you’re disinterested in watching mercenary, semipro college athletics. Well they are fully mercenary and semi pro so you better make good on your threats pretty soon.

 

[AdamOnFirst]

I’m sorry, but when has Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, and Texas been about the student part of student-athlete? To me it makes more sense to cheer for the team representing my University than the team representing my city. The fact the all players get money to entertain based on their ability is the result of having people pay to watch. The fact that Indiana is number 1 in the country definitely means a hell of a lot to all those who went to the University and a lot of those players transferred in. Most players in the portal are there for playing time. I like the fact that FBS kids are getting more of a chance to show their talent. I wasn’t one who was pro-NIL but now that we at that stage, the portal makes sense. My feeling has changed about our program but only because I think we can do more to get the talent we need and we decide to take the difficult path. I think the system can be changed to allow schools to match offers from poaching schools, if the original contract has that clause. But they are now student-athlete-employees.

“I bought into a fantasy and/or series of lies about my preferred form of entertainment when I was young and I still hold to that idealized state that never existed and reject all further change.”

It’s one thing when aging guys think the way their favorite sport was when they were exactly about 12 is God’s one true version of the sport, it’s another when it’s not even a real version of the sport at that age.

 

[Baz = Heisman]

Ratings are higher than they have ever been. TV revenue is at an all time high and sponsors whether corporate or individual are setting records.

what has happened has been inevitable for decades. Yearn for yesteryear all you want, it’s not reverting to 1980. There isn’t close to enough of you disgruntled dinosaurs to make a difference. Not many care.

Watch or play Tennis or Golf. There are no names on the front or the back of there polo shirt other than sponsors.

Ratings are still high for now bc of gambling but they will dip as teams continue to have major roster turnover where fans don’t know who the hell is on their roster year after year. Pro teams have much more continuity at this point which is insane.

 

[corbi296]

I’m sorry, but when has Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, and Texas been about the student part of student-athlete? To me it makes more sense to cheer for the team representing my University than the team representing my city. The fact the all players get money to entertain based on their ability is the result of having people pay to watch. The fact that Indiana is number 1 in the country definitely means a hell of a lot to all those who went to the University and a lot of those players transferred in. Most players in the portal are there for playing time. I like the fact that FBS kids are getting more of a chance to show their talent. I wasn’t one who was pro-NIL but now that we at that stage, the portal makes sense. My feeling has changed about our program but only because I think we can do more to get the talent we need and we decide to take the difficult path. I think the system can be changed to allow schools to match offers from poaching schools, if the original contract has that clause. But they are now student-athlete-employees.

I don’t follow those teams. I support NU because they field true student athletes and find it especially rewarding when we are able to succeed despite that “handicap”. If NU becoms like all the other schools, then there is no reason for me to watch college football anymore other than to keep an eye on who might be playing for the Chicago Bears the following season.

 

[Baz = Heisman]

But if it ends up that the players who play for these schools are nothing more than mercenaries for hire rather than student athletes with the same experiences and an allegiance to the school you attended, is there really still a connection? If I am going to watch paid professionals play sports, I’ll watch the best. I am a Cubs fan but I don’t watch the Iowa Cubs play, I watch the Chicago Cubs play. If college football teams turn out to be nothing more than a professional minor league NFL feeder system with a specific University as essentially the sponsor, I am not sure I am too interested in watching that.

Bingo. College sports were always about the front of the jersey and a real student-athlete experience. We still do that but if it becomes hired guns what’s the point?