Players can, and they can at NU. Or any other school. They are also the exception.
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Fair enough. It’s probably more like the 3.9 GPA D1 athletes from non target schools getting consideration that they may not have otherwise.
The “easiest” major at NU is the “hardest” major almost anywhere else. What are you talking about?
I can tell you live in the world of theory and haven’t hired someone in a while (if ever). No one gives a **** about your GPA - unless it is absolutely horrible - it’s more about your school and background.
Also, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to “the program actively steering away players from taking the most rigorous classes.” I know people who have good intel and that’s patently false. If guys want to take “easier” classes at NU - still harder than 99% of “harder” classes at other schools - that’s their choice. Playing football at NU and doing school at NU would give me anxiety and I think I’m relatively driven lol
I can tell you know nothing about top companies’ hiring trends.
You think GPA is the be all, end all in the era of grade inflation and AI resume searches (which are much better at finding good candidates than the old human screening). I’m not the one full of it here, pal.
How do you think McKinsey assesses which undergrads are getting an interview? I can assure you there are plenty of Econ and Eng majors with 3.9s that are interested and many will have to be turned down. But go ahead and tell me that 3.1 SESP majors are getting invited to interviews because they play on a football team.
You’re so over your skis on this that I’m half convinced you’re trolling.
I’m talking in general. Relax you McKinsey hack. Go do some more projects for the CCP.
And he backs off, realizing he’s once again saying stupid crap about topics he knows nothing about.
It’s not just McKinsey. Any top company recruiting on campus is filtering on GPA. It’s an undergrad in a sea of nondifferentiated undergrads. Low GPAs for NU’s least serious majors are the first to be rejected. Google and Goldman Sachs don’t care that you know what cover 0 is if you are in the school of comms and they have 3.9 IEs* in the pipeline.
*for the record, I personally know a former football player with these credentials. He is absolutely an exception.
Well, for 1 Google only cares if you’re Indian so take them out of the equation. Regarding Goldman or other IBs, you’re comparing apples to oranges. We are saying the floor level jobs for NU football players are much higher than at other schools - that’s what the conversation was originally about. You completely changed the subject.
You… actually think the easier classes at NU are harder than difficult classes at other schools? And you think the top consulting firms don’t have very difficult filters at top schools to even get a crack at them?
Because lol, no, that you didn’t go to NU is very obvious here.
Yes. I said 99% of schools. Given NU was 7 in USWR and there are 2,600 4-year schools… I’m pretty comfortable with that statement. And I didn’t say GPA wasn’t important but in today’s day and age with AI so embedded in HR it is not nearly as important unless it is absolutely terrible as I said.
The NU easiest versus 99% of other colleges' courses makes a huge, and wrong, assumption: that every kid has the same school capability skill set. A musician's easiest course may be Voice 101. That might be impossibly hard for a kid that can't sing. More commonly, I'm guessing almost any college offers several layers of calculus or chemistry, which can be at best extremely difficult for people having only a liberal arts skills. NU's foreign language requirement nearly defeated one of my otherwise talented room mates when I was at NU.
You should know you’re extremely wrong and our basic easy classes aren’t harder than the equivalent classes anywhere else at ALL, much less harder than courses anywhere else
Dude you are so far out over your skis lol. This couldn’t be more inaccurate, but at this point just keep shooting until the clip is empty.
For argument’s sake, you’re going to tell me the “hardest” classes at Nebraska are actually harder than a comparable “easy” class at NU? I don’t think so. As the kids say… “cap.”
lol, holy **** you are so so so wrong. You love just blasting even when it’s obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re literally surrounded by people who went to NU, were very aware of our hard and easy classes, and there are plenty of easy classes and frankly easy majors
I just want to point out that everyone who graduates in the general student body of NU does not get a job in the top companies and that is fine. I know very smart people who did not get past the worker level while also knowing managers who were not as smart but were better at communicating and leading. When I was mentoring NU athletes on preparing for job interviews, I had them emphasize the exceptional team work, communication skills, and leadership ability they possess while being able to graduate with the grind of handling the rigors of playing at the highest level of college sports and the full class schedule at a prestigious university. Yes, you may have a student in the general population with a higher gpa, but that does not always translate to working in a group setting or leading a team. Having shown those abilities is also a way to differentiate a sea of undergrads. The question isn’t always who is the smartest but also who can handle the stress, work in a group, and have the potential to lead. We all know that school teaches the ability to learn, research, and present. It does not necessarily translate to leading a diverse set of people of all ages who may have different life agendas to work collaboratively toward a common goal. One can argue that those who have shown those abilities in sports may be better suited for the battles in the corporate world.
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You act like I don’t know anyone who ever went to NU, which is just comical. I know old and new alums. All would disagree with what you said and they attended the same classes you did.
Not all are super successful but they’re all smart as ****. We always would joke about the teams we would play - with the exception of Duke, Stanford and Vandy - they were taking joke classes and their majors were made up. Obviously, some hyperbole there but the general premise is definitely true.
Overall, I don’t get your mindset. You want to lower standards at one of the most prestigious schools in the country that features athlete programs with real standards. It’s literally the NU way and you seem to be arguing for the opposite because you think we are perceived as arrogant versus righteous (hint: most fall with the latter).
It isn’t hard to succeed academically as a football player at NU. Getting in is harder than succeeding once you’re in.
True but to varying degrees that’s the case for all NU students. The point is that it is a lot more challenging (and therefore rewarding) for a student athlete to get a degree from NU than it is for scholarship athletes at almost all of our peers.
Yes of course lol. I don’t know much about Nebraska but it looks like their ag program is well regarded. I’m guessing their advanced ag classes are “harder” than the easiest classes at NU.
I do know that Iowa has a fantastic speech pathology program, because my sister attended the school for that program. She’s one of the smartest people I know and her classes were extremely challenging. I’m very confident those are harder than the easiest programs NU offers.
I have a son at Illinois studying electrical engineering and a son who graduated from Purdue with an aerospace engineering degree. I promise you that their degree-specific courses are “harder” than the easiest courses at NU.
You’re an ignorant fool. I doubt you’ll accept my counter point, but you’re completely wrong.
Not sure I agree with “ a lot more”. Most football players at NU are in majors that are very manageable with the help they get. I have no idea how demanding it is to get a degree as an athlete at our peers but I have a hard time believing places like say Wisconsin and Minnesota are “a lot” easier than NU for football players in certain majors. And again, I’m taking into account the fact that at NU, the athletic department is all over each player making sure their grades don’t slip. You have to try really hard to fail.
Oh, for football players yeah our easiest classes are a lot harder than other schools joke football classes. Lots of other schools have borderline no show pass through online online football degrees. Some football players take those majors, some don’t. Still, NU’s easier degrees - heck, easier entire colleges - are fairly easy compared to college classes at any flagship state school or other comparable school.
Which would mean that they are not willing to bring him back at current price
Yes of course. But you can get those skills from athletes at many schools. Literally none of that has to do with Northwestern University the academic institution. The fact that someone has a generic NU degree means so much less than what the degree is in and how well the student performed.
That “the worst NU degree is better than the top degree anywhere else” sentiment on this thread is so gross… and wrong. I want the best for our athletes in the pros or elsewhere and have dedicated a lot of time mentoring and preparing them for the working world. Juggling actual classes and playing big ten athletics is indeed impressive! I just find it silly that some imply that because your degree says “Northwestern” that you’re set for life. It takes a hell of a lot more than that and athletes tend to get jobs through connections.
Nobody really cares if the degree is “watered down” once the parchment is on the wall. In and of itself that’s life changing for a lot of guys.
No one said that “you’re set for life” but it clearly is a differentiator than a degree from other schools. Corbi is spot on. We’ve heard players literally say it is why they chose NU. And how is it “gross” to say that? You’re a child. This is so obvious/common knowledge but you guys are trying to be know it alls like a blowhard debate team member.
That attitude is exactly what ills our society. A piece of paper means nothing. It's the substance behind that degree that will really count. The player should care because that piece of paper won't mean anything when you haven't accumulated the experience and skill sets necessary to succeed in the career field that you pursue. I, as an employer, care about the substance behind the degree. Plenty of people care.
And you’re being ignorant of just how life-changing graduating from college can be for a LOT of football players.
A piece of paper means nothing in the long run if there is no actual substance to back it up. It may open a door but then what when everybody figures out there is nothing to back it up? I have seen plenty of real life examples..
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