OT: ucla beats Penn state

[WillieTheSilent]

If you were AD Zinn.. at what point do you calculate you are in trouble if football and basketball disappoint? How many years?

Now.. if you buy out the coaches and put your picks in.. at what point would you be on the hot-seat as AD having YOUR choices disappoint?

I think the smartest thing she can do is be patient.. she has some room as these coaches were not her choices. Some years down the line, maybe she gets more pressure at the same time the buyouts are less and it is easier to make a move. Then the clock starts again on any hot-seat talk.

Everyone says she is smart.. well, that's the smart move.

As for me.. I think it is going to take time for this whole NIL thing to shake out and programs like ours finds how to adjust. Sure, big money seems to help... and if she can get that going she'll be a star and we'll have a hard time keeping her. But playing guessing games with coaching changes without new sources of money and support.. we'd have to get very lucky on a coaching hire for that to work. There are no sure things.

 

[yesrutgers01]

If you were AD Zinn.. at what point do you calculate you are in trouble if football and basketball disappoint? How many years?

Now.. if you buy out the coaches and put your picks in.. at what point would you be on the hot-seat as AD having YOUR choices disappoint?

I think the smartest thing she can do is be patient.. she has some room as these coaches were not her choices. Some years down the line, maybe she gets more pressure at the same time the buyouts are less and it is easier to make a move. Then the clock starts again on any hot-seat talk.

Everyone says she is smart.. well, that's the smart move.

As for me.. I think it is going to take time for this whole NIL thing to shake out and programs like ours finds how to adjust. Sure, big money seems to help... and if she can get that going she'll be a star and we'll have a hard time keeping her. But playing guessing games with coaching changes without new sources of money and support.. we'd have to get very lucky on a coaching hire for that to work. There are no sure things.

Basketball should be on the hottest seat ever after last year. The past few years have been disappointing but to lose like he did with 2 of the top players in the nation...
Nothing she can do about MBB this year but he better find anyway possible to the dance.

Football- I go with seeing how this year finishes. Don't be afraid to eat the money and make a move if this season spirals out of control.

 

[Shelby65]

She’s got her own position and tenure to cultivate too. She’ll stick with GS as long as she can PR- and finance-wise too, stalling and then when she finally cans him and hires someone else, that buys her a lot more time in the position.

Cleaning house when there’s no pressure to do it starts your own assessment clock much earlier than it needs to.

 

[Knight Shift]

Basketball should be on the hottest seat ever after last year. The past few years have been disappointing but to lose like he did with 2 of the top players in the nation...
Nothing she can do about MBB this year but he better find anyway possible to the dance.

Football- I go with seeing how this year finishes. Don't be afraid to eat the money and make a move if this season spirals out of control.

Disagree on basketball and that false narrative that has been debunked a million times. 2 players with no rim protector don't make a team. No NIL help from AD. Blah blah blah

 

[yesrutgers01]

Disagree on basketball and that false narrative that has been debunked a million times. 2 players with no rim protector don't make a team. No NIL help from AD. Blah blah blah

Agree with that but that also falls on the Coach and AD- how do you not find a way to get rim protection? If it is additional NIL - that is Coach. Pike seems to be a Schiano level coach- get you to the near middle but can’t make that next step. Maybe both are elevated because of the disasters they replaced

 

[Knight Shift]

Agree with that but that also falls on the Coach and AD- how do you not find a way to get rim protection? If it is additional NIL - that is Coach. Pike seems to be a Schiano level coach- get you to the near middle but can’t make that next step. Maybe both are elevated because of the disasters they replaced

Nope. Coach tried to raise NIL. Got zero help from AD. This has been discussed as nauseum in basketball board.

 

[ClassOf02v.2]

If you were AD Zinn.. at what point do you calculate you are in trouble if football and basketball disappoint? How many years?

Now.. if you buy out the coaches and put your picks in.. at what point would you be on the hot-seat as AD having YOUR choices disappoint?

I think the smartest thing she can do is be patient.. she has some room as these coaches were not her choices. Some years down the line, maybe she gets more pressure at the same time the buyouts are less and it is easier to make a move. Then the clock starts again on any hot-seat talk.

Everyone says she is smart.. well, that's the smart move.

As for me.. I think it is going to take time for this whole NIL thing to shake out and programs like ours finds how to adjust. Sure, big money seems to help... and if she can get that going she'll be a star and we'll have a hard time keeping her. But playing guessing games with coaching changes without new sources of money and support.. we'd have to get very lucky on a coaching hire for that to work. There are no sure things.

A few thoughts on this…

1. The whole premise seems to be based on how and when this will fail. On one hand, as a Rutgers fan, I can understand why that’s the thought. On the other hand, it’s such a loser mentality.

2. Each sport should be looked at on its own at the proper time.

3. One thing that is VERY different is that Tate and Zinn seem to be attached at the hip and have complete alignment, something we’re not really familiar with around here. So long as Tate is viewed positively by the board, Zinn will have more leash than what previous ADs have had (at least IMO).

 

[NotInRHouse]

We can spend up to the caps if the money is found in the AD budget.

This year I'd expect (educated guess based on historical support) the bigger names like PSU (they went all in this year bringing everyone back and making Knowles the highest paid CFB assistant at 3m/yr), OSU, Michigan, Nebraska, Oregon, USC are probably at the caps from revenue sharing and have 3rd party NIL front loaded before having to prove legitimacy that started this past summer.

Everyone else, I'd say unknown to if and how much they might have above revenue sharing from the school.

OK. So 1-18, 1 being most NIL spending, where do you put RU?

 

[NotInRHouse]

They should count if the team was ranked in the top 25 when the game was played.
He has beaten, #3 Lville in 2006, #2 USF in 2007, #17 Pitt in 2008 and # 23 USF in 2009.

I agree. But that was not the argument at the time. In fact, when Flood started the thought was he'd "fix" that the teams weren't ranked at the end.

 

[NotInRHouse]

what has no one done in 40 years?

Be an 0-4 team beating a top 10. Last time was 1985.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Agree with that but that also falls on the Coach and AD- how do you not find a way to get rim protection? If it is additional NIL - that is Coach. Pike seems to be a Schiano level coach- get you to the near middle but can’t make that next step. Maybe both are elevated because of the disasters they replaced

The people that crap on GS but then defend Pike I find the funniest. I think both have bought themselves enough grace for this year but if GS had 2 top 5 players and didn't get AT LEAST 10 wins the pitchforks would be out.

Only difference is Pike wins games at Purdue but then loses to UMass and Lafayette whereas GS is more consistent at beating the bad teams but not knocking off the top of the conference. Which seems to draw odd amounts of rage because the postseason result ends up the same either way.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Basketball should be on the hottest seat ever after last year. The past few years have been disappointing but to lose like he did with 2 of the top players in the nation...
Nothing she can do about MBB this year but he better find anyway possible to the dance.

Football- I go with seeing how this year finishes. Don't be afraid to eat the money and make a move if this season spirals out of control.

GS bought himself the grace over the years of a losing season. If we don't turn this around and have a losing season next year then it's a discussion. Same for bball. If we don't at least get NIT this year (maybe even then) pitchforks will be out. And if both teams blow it it becomes an issue of finances I'd think.

 

[rutgersguy2]

OK. So 1-18, 1 being most NIL spending, where do you put RU?

I have no idea and that’s part of the point.

Other than being very likely behind the names I mentioned who knows and who knows how much the gaps are or aren’t between the rest.

Too often people act like they know how much or grossly overestimate how much the average everyday program had in 3rd party NIL.

I bet most would’ve been surprised to find out that we had the 6th highest football operating budget in the B10 and 12th highest in the country last year and that’s actually public information as opposed to the extremely opaque and misleading world of 3rd party NIL.

 

[Knight Shift]

Re-watched the first half of the UCLA PSU game last night.
A master class in coaching and exposing weaknesses of opponent while compensating for opponent's strengths.

1. Passes were thrown with very quick releases- PSU DL had no time to get to QB because the ball was out and in the receiver's hands.
2. RPO was executed well, freeing up UCLA QB for several chunk yardage runs.
3. Playing to win- after scoring the first TD, UCLA noticed something in PSU's kick coverage, shifting to the left side on the kickoffs-UCLA kicked an onsides kick, no PSU players anywhere near the ball, and UCLA recovered around the PSU 45 yard line.

#CoachingMatters
#PlayToWin

 

[rutgersguy2]

Re-watched the first half of the UCLA PSU game last night.
A master class in coaching and exposing weaknesses of opponent while compensating for opponent's strengths.

1. Passes were thrown with very quick releases- PSU DL had no time to get to QB because the ball was out and in the receiver's hands.
2. RPO was executed well, freeing up UCLA QB for several chunk yardage runs.
3. Playing to win- after scoring the first TD, UCLA noticed something in PSU's kick coverage, shifting to the left side on the kickoffs-UCLA kicked an onsides kick, no PSU players anywhere near the ball, and UCLA recovered around the PSU 45 yard line.

#CoachingMatters
#PlayToWin

That was probably the best I’ve seen NI play including his time at Tenn.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

He's not good at directly addressing points.
And Flood did not have interim staffs. And Ash was by no means a "splashy" hire. No way shape or form was he splashy. That's revisionist history.

Also think we need to pump the brakes on "beating ranked teams." It's meaningless, particularly when another teams beats a ranked team early in the season, when the team winds up unranked. While Pitt and Ga Tech were ranked last year, they ended up with pretty bad 7-6 seasons in the ACC.

Not going to go back and check Greg's record, but by that standard, he may have beaten only one team that was ranked at the end of the season.

Too many people flailing at reasons to prop up or shoot down our own coach and staff with crappy facts and narratives. Its' getting to be worse than politics.

Agree on the beating ranked teams narrative. At one point this season, Notre Dame was ranked with a losing record.

 

[Knight Shift]

Agree on the beating ranked teams narrative. At one point this season, Notre Dame was ranked with a losing record.

Beating a ranked team named Notre Dame should always have an asterisk next to the data point with an explanation that Notre Dame is notoriously overrated!

 

[Knight Shift]

That was probably the best I’ve seen NIL play a role including his time at Tenn.

FIFY, because you know it's coming!!!!

 

[Mikemarc]

Be an 0-4 team beating a top 10. Last time was 1985.

that’s amazing. Yes - that has nothing to do win Greg

What my point wasthat had to do with Greg is seeing all these new coaches get signature top 25 wins, while Greg hasn’t yet. That should be disappointing to people

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

Beating a ranked team named Notre Dame should always have an asterisk next to the data point with an explanation that Notre Dame is notoriously overrated!

New ND locker room plaque: Play like an overrated program that doesn't deserve to be ranked today.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Agree on the beating ranked teams narrative. At one point this season, Notre Dame was ranked with a losing record.

what you guys are missing is that you have to beat ranked teams when presented with the opportunity. Rutgers needs to play to perception more than anything. Doing this, the rest sorts itself out organically.

absolutely have to beat teams that are perceived to be better and a coach than cannot, is not a coach we want here

 

[kupuna133]

what you guys are missing is that you have to beat ranked teams when presented with the opportunity. Rutgers needs to play to perception more than anything. Doing this, the rest sorts itself out organically.

absolutely have to beat teams that are perceived to be better and a coach than cannot, is not a coach we want here

Agree with you. But we are not even beating teams that are equal or slightly better much less perceived to be much better. Take care of the middle of the pack opponents and higher ranked wins will take care of themselves.

 

[Knight Shift]

what you guys are missing is that you have to beat ranked teams when presented with the opportunity. Rutgers needs to play to perception more than anything. Doing this, the rest sorts itself out organically.

absolutely have to beat teams that are perceived to be better and a coach than cannot, is not a coach we want here

Well, since PSU is no longer ranked, we can cross off beating them this season. Let's play to not lose the game. We can get the beating a ranked team monkey off our bank some other time.

 

[MADHAT1]

Well, since PSU is no longer ranked, we can cross off beating them this season. Let's play to not lose the game. We can get the beating a ranked team monkey off our bank some other time.

Damm the joy of beating the Nits has gone down a notch for me.
Now when I post here on Nov 29th, immediately after the win, I'll be told: don't be so happy, Penn State isn't a top 25 program and be reminded that it's just another bottom feeder that Schiano is padding his record with

 

[RUTGERS95]

Well, since PSU is no longer ranked, we can cross off beating them this season. Let's play to not lose the game. We can get the beating a ranked team monkey off our bank some other time.

I'll never understand playing in games that you are not favored in with the attitude to not lose or not turn the ball over (fear paralysis of sorts). just go out and leave it all on the field

 

[jsol_05]

The “IF” is usually a given on a GS- (Greg Schiano) @Knightshift lol - team

 

[NotInRHouse]

I have no idea and that’s part of the point.

Other than being very likely behind the names I mentioned who knows and who knows how much the gaps are or aren’t between the rest.

Too often people act like they know how much or grossly overestimate how much the average everyday program had in 3rd party NIL.

I bet most would’ve been surprised to find out that we had the 6th highest football operating budget in the B10 and 12th highest in the country last year and that’s actually public information as opposed to the extremely opaque and misleading world of 3rd party NIL.

So you think it's realistic to say it would rival tOSU, Michigan, USC, Oregon? Or that "maybe" it does?

 

[NotInRHouse]

Damm the joy of beating the Nits has gone down a notch for me.
Now when I post here on Nov 29th, immediately after the win, I'll be told: don't be so happy, Penn State isn't a top 25 program and be reminded that it's just another bottom feeder that Schiano is padding his record with

You know they're getting ready to downplay it after acclaiming it. Save this thread and bump it up then.

 

[Knight Shift]

You know they're getting ready to downplay it after acclaiming it. Save this thread and bump it up then.

Hypothetically, if they are a 500 team and have lost to other bad teams, beating them is nothing to celebrate. But in the small-mindedness of some RU fans looking for Pyrrhic victories to celebrate, there will be fans calling for an extension and a raise.

 

[RUTGERS95]

You know they're getting ready to downplay it after acclaiming it. Save this thread and bump it up then.

no no no
beating PSU would be great regardless of where they or us are!!!!!!!!!! If we beat PSU, we could point to this season and say, 'yeah, we should won x,y,z games but we beat PSU' with a HUUUUGE smile

I want to beat PSU badly

 

[RUTGERS95]

Hypothetically, if they are a 500 team and have lost to other bad teams, beating them is nothing to celebrate. But in the small-mindedness of some RU fans looking for Pyrrhic victories to celebrate, there will be fans calling for an extension and a raise.

disagree here. beating them is always satisfying

The trifecta of a$$ is sarah, fredo and ped state and I want to complete the trifecta in G2.0 before he's canned

 

[Knight Shift]

disagree here. beating them is always satisfying

The trifecta of a$$ is sarah, fredo and ped state and I want to complete the trifecta in G2.0 before he's canned

Sure, it's nice to beat them, but if they suck, is it a signature win?
Many never considered Flood beating Michigan a signature win because they were not good that year.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Sure, it's nice to beat them, but if they suck, is it a signature win?
Many never considered Flood beating Michigan a signature win because they were not good that year.

I just want to beat them, actually, I want the Valentines' Day Massacre style a$$ whoopin!

 

[MADHAT1]

Sure, it's nice to beat them, but if they suck, is it a signature win?
Many never considered Flood beating Michigan a signature win because they were not good that year.

beating pervert state no matter if they're top 25 or bottom 25 will be satisfying , to me, for a few years.
Then I'll not care about playing those Nit-kitten cupcakes unless they can prove they can compete with Rutgers !
It will get old seeing Franklin and his pussycats fold against another top team when they go against Rutgers

.Flood beating Michigan was nice, the way Rutgers has been over the years, RU fans must enjoy beating blue bloods whenever it happens no matter how bad that program is .

 

[NotInRHouse]

no no no
beating PSU would be great regardless of where they or us are!!!!!!!!!! If we beat PSU, we could point to this season and say, 'yeah, we should won x,y,z games but we beat PSU' with a HUUUUGE smile

I want to beat PSU badly

I mean look at post above yours lol.

Honestly there are people on this board that I think want RU to lose to show up strangers posting here. Oddest thing IMO

 

[NotInRHouse]

Sure, it's nice to beat them, but if they suck, is it a signature win?
Many never considered Flood beating Michigan a signature win because they were not good that year.

It wasn't a signature win for him personally, but it was an important win for the program because it was the first B1G win.

If Cult has a losing season, and we beat them, it's not exactly a notch in Greg's cap but it would be good for the program absolutely.

The problem for the anti GS crew is threads like these, because they tie everything to their hatred of him. OP could have said "Cool that UCLA won because RU fans hate the Cult" but instead made something that hadn't happened in 40 years about Greg. So now if we do this thread will be bumped.

Think of it like the Leapin Leopold commentary.

 

[Mikemarc]

It wasn't a signature win for him personally, but it was an important win for the program because it was the first B1G win.

If Cult has a losing season, and we beat them, it's not exactly a notch in Greg's cap but it would be good for the program absolutely.

The problem for the anti GS crew is threads like these, because they tie everything to their hatred of him. OP could have said "Cool that UCLA won because RU fans hate the Cult" but instead made something that hadn't happened in 40 years about Greg. So now if we do this thread will be bumped.

Think of it like the Leapin Leopold commentary.

I didn’t make something that hadn’t happened in 40 years about Greg. Please stop putting words in my mouth! As I said, I had no idea what hadn’t happened in 40 years. The thread is about a non top 25 team knocking off a top 25 team, a team making a coaching change and it immediately making an impact. And being an Ru board - I compared it to Greg.

 

[jsol_05]

LOL the last time this happened was 1985. How did Sanders and Fran Brown do yesterday?

We had interim staffs before playing the Cult. Under your boy Flood. How did that go? We also had "splashy" hire after him. Any wins there?

KF team was competitive against State Penn, losing 13-10. One of only 2 times that we scored in double digits since 2014.

 

[jsol_05]

Very few people are clamoring for a splashy coach. And you are playing games between NIL and talent.
The fact is coaching matters. UCLA seemed to playing much more loose and free, letting it fly, and they were playing to win, instead of play to "not lose."
Reading some articles about Franklin at Penn State, and looking at what happened with Gundy, coaches who hang around too long in one place tend to get entrenched and fixed in their ways. It's no secret Greg had a very time finding and OC. He had to go the well once (maybe it was twice) to come up with the money to pay Ciarrocca (sp?). And the DC position was vacant for a long time before RU had to hire a retread as co-DC.

All the came a retread HC will get u a retread DC

 

[MADHAT1]

KF team was competitive against State Penn, losing 13-10. One of only 2 times that we scored in double digits since 2014.

yes they were.
Penn State was a 7-6 that year with the team recovering from sanctions the NCAA placed on them in 2012
4-8 Indiana played them close as well, losing 7 to 13
Maryland (7-6) played them close losing by 1 (19-20)
The 2014 Nits were far from the type of program they used to be and would become again under Franklin who was in his first year there .
That loss wasn't against the usual Nit powerhouse
But Flood did have a good year in 2014
2015 not so much