Free college and health care for Al Quada!! We'll just add another trillion to the "infrastructure" bill!! As long as they vote blue and don't blow up all our new roads and bridges!! Amirite Dems?? What say you??
OT - The Southern US border
- Thread starter GBRforLife1
- Start date
And now the pendulum swings the other way.
You know when Trump campaigned on this, it was "no foreign wars forever". "Let them defend their own country". There wasn't alot of talk about us getting something out of it as well (suppression of AQ). Just that it was a cost that needn't be born anymore and we didn't give a crap if their country collapsed. Now we're worried about AQ again, imagine that.
Pompeo is blowing alot of smoke about, well, we had a deal on paper with the Taliban that says if we leave the country by May 1, they'll forsake AQ forever and ever amen. And if they don't, we'll crush them. Well, once you hand over the country on May 1, there's not a lot of crushing to be done unless Trump was championing Afghanistan Invasion/Occupation II which he assuredly was not.
"Afghanistan, Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie said Al Qaeda is still a principal focus of the U.S. military in the region."
"What we're here for is to prevent Al Qaeda and ISIS from being able to reconstitute in the ungoverned spaces, generally of eastern Afghanistan, and be able to plot attacks against our homeland," McKenzie said in the capital, Kabul. "That threat is still here today."
You know that country we were going to tell them to defend for themselves on May 1, that is an ungoverned space. So is the one Biden left them.
But under Trump we didn't have to worry about the who's who of foreign scum streaming across our borders!!
Then you are hopelessly naive that AQ needs the Southern border to have an effect here.
Most of the wall is already built. At the end of the day heād only bring shoring up gaps or problem areas
Just sitting there rusting in piles now. Well done Sleepy Joe. Take another nap while our country is invaded. Worthless old f#ck.
I'm not liberal. The basic facts of the matter are this. Whether Trump or Biden was elected the US was exiting stage left this summer. We know the Afghans are basically incapable of governing their own country well, so AQ would be able to reconstitute at some pace if it so chose. And it probably will.
You feel good because Trump would have made it harder to get in the Southern border, perfectly fine. I'm not about making it easier. But they don't need it, there are a myriad of different ways for them to reach us that don't involve that.
So yes, secure the southern border, but quite honestly, if a President secures the border but makes a big mistake that results in another 9/11 type of event...no one's really caring that the Southern border wasn't the infil vector.
Maybe some new electric humvees for Al Quada to charge up at our new trillion dollar charging stations for all the electric cars on the road today!! Lol. Because climate change or covid or some ********.
For what definition of most?
As of January 8, CBP was reporting 771 miles of total barrier on the Southern border. Of which 318 existed prior to the Trump administration. Trump on his way out the door, gave congratulations for getting 450 miles done since he took office.
Neither 450 or 771 is most of 2000.
Unless Sleepy Joe has been doing some serious buildin.
The only way I get to "most" is that Trump funded 738 additional miles of wall during his term, of which the 450 he actually built would be most of that target.
the southern border will never be protected because washington wants cheap labor.
we have tech and man power to make the southern border legit, but washington doesn't want legit.
that would force them to make decisions like, who gets in? and why?
they can be as greasy as they want to be the way it is.
we can go on the other side of the world and run the heroin addicts in the taliban into the mountains, but we can't protect our borders? really?
we have tech and man power to make the southern border legit, but washington doesn't want legit.
that would force them to make decisions like, who gets in? and why?
they can be as greasy as they want to be the way it is.
we can go on the other side of the world and run the heroin addicts in the taliban into the mountains, but we can't protect our borders? really?
Agreed. Waste of money.
But when John Kelly and Kirsten Nielsen got up early in the administration and said they wouldn't be building a big beautiful wall from sea to shining sea (edit: instead strategically selected), the base howled.
Speaking of waste of money. Did you know less than 25 percent of the trillion dollar infrastructure bill is going for actual infrastructure??
I know you're not a leftist (please stop calling them liberals, that's not what they are and you know that) so I hope you don't see them as the heroes of DJT's administration.
JK was also a Globalist never Trumper.
Last edited:
I wasn't trying to make them heroes or villains. I don't really care. The response from Trump's base is the highlight of what they expected, vs what they got.
I didn't call them liberals. I was called a liberal and responded I wasn't.
Sad thing is its only been 7 months. If the country allows this to continue we won't have a country in 3 and a half more years. Impeach all of them!!
I think you can fix 90% of Illegal immigration in about five minutes. Start arresting CEOs, business owners, Individuals that Hire illegals and put them in jail...Take away the Demand and the supply will shrink.
Now, those that are crossing for nefarious reasons won't stop coming, but much easier to stop when you reduce the overall number.
I am a believer that inflation is not going to be as big an issue as many are predicting. I do believe it is transitory like the Fed is speculating.
Although we have printed Trillions of dollars in the last year or so...for inflation to really take hold, the money supply has to be moving through consumers hands so they can start chasing supply with their increased demand.
Right now, the reason prices are rising isn't so much from expanded demand...although there is some...but it is from decreased supply.
Two months ago...the inflation number seemed high when the number printed, but when you looked into it, 50% of the inflation was due to Rental car prices and used car prices...once the chips get caught up, I expect a crash in auto prices as we will see an influx of supply as many vehicles are built awaiting computer chips.
Have you ever been to the Southern Border chief? I literally was on the construction from Arizona to California. There were basically no gaps outside of super mountainous areas or different potential flood or Border Patrol approved open areas. Even the Trump authorized fence, was basically just creating other layers.. I know a lot of people that were on the Texas Border fence projects as well and it is the same thing. Find all of the articles you want, but I lived it. The border basically was a continuous fence long before Trump ever got in office.
Agreed.... If we actually spent the money we could protect that border at a very high level but the powers at be have $$$$ tied into it somewhere so we just let it happen... disgusting
What are you talking about? We didn't build sheet metal fences. They were 16ft bollards filled with concrete, some with 8-10 foot footings.
Watch the video, explains everything. Or not, your choice. The CBP explains it very well.
You must not have read any of the thread. I worked on the border fence 2008-2011. I know exactly what was installed, I don't need to watch a Youtube video when I was on the actual projects.....
The story behind this population replacement model is thus:
The left wants 200 million illiterate central/south Americans because they can't win elections with people who buy into a system of self-government, and they know it. And they've said it, out loud. Repeatedly.
The right (the chamber of commerce types) wants illegal immigration because they cynically want cheap labor. When I lived in Cali middle class white guys/gals loved to drive down to Home Depot (where dozens of illegals were standing around) and hire them to do landscaping or work on their roof/fence for 4 dollars per hour. The increasingly desperate middle class and greedy upper crust loved that. The rich love having their own serf population (the middle class) to lord themselves over, and the reaction from the middle class is they desire their own serfs (illegal immigrants) to lord themselves over. Remember, we hollowed out the midwest by shutting down factories and at the same time the packing plants and agriculture industry said, "Only illegals will take this job." Not true. When I was a boy those manufacturing and packing plants and farms/ranches were mainly populated with hard-working pale-faces. What changed? We got stupid, lazy and irrationally greedy all at the same time.
Those in the center would never watch your video. They are defeatist by nature.
However, I'm talking about effectiveness of "OLD FENCE" vs "NEW WALL" you keep expanding the topic instead of focusing on the original topic.
I look at it this way.
"Original topic"
Subject heading:
OT - The Southern US border
For me that's a broad topic. My focus in life and in debates gravitates toward the macro-picture. Though the micro-picture can be fun from time to time. But the micro is usually just a symptom of a much bigger issue.Ok your point is basically I want border security because I don't like non white people essentially. My point for wanting border security is to limit drug and human trafficking primarily and secondarily to stop the flow of cheap labor. That flow hurts recent immigrants and poor people the most. It is not fair for them to have their wages artificially drug down by having a serf class of illegal aliens that will do manual labor for pennies.
You repeated my points, and included some ad hominem. If you aren't in politics, you are cheating yourself out of fame and power.
I wouldn't want fame or power. I want a simple system that is transparent to the public and a system that protects citizens over foreigners.
It's only a matter of time until more buildings come down