I don't know about that. They certainly do profile, but I think they're usually pretty equal opportunity when it comes to handing out tickets to speedsters. Use a radar detector? Drive the same route all the time and know where they set traps? If you're driving as fast as you say you do, there must be more to it that you don't get tickets.
OT - Telsa Model 3
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Different configuration, though. Same idea, but the graphics are not the same, nor is the functionality.
I haven't made up my mind about it, yet. Part of me feels like the screen would get annoying - there's just too much light.
You are the one that's overly sensitive on the subject. Most people like to drive fast and have been "that guy" before. We just don't make excuses like I don't bother anyone. Unless you are on the track, your driving impacts or bothers other drivers on the same road.
I think you have no idea how I drive, you have no idea what kind of actual, professional training I've had (extensive, with regard to operation of emergency vehicles) and your broad-brush allegations are ********.
Again, you are being overly sensitive. What did I say about your driving? The only thing I questioned you on was your statement that you don't bother other drivers. You have to admit that's a dumb statement.
Then Natural gas would be MUCH cheaper than electric since many power plants are now using nat gas to generate electricity.
19k with a 30% fed rebate. So 13,300 and the solar company threw in installing a level 2 car charger. But Burbank only allows you to generate the average of how much energy you required the previous year, but the solar company argued them up in my case.
I bought a pre-owned Model S directly from Tesla a month ago. It's easily the greatest product I've ever consumed. The whole experience has been a blast.
I know I could look this up but I just don't have the time.
I don't travel much during the year other than three times. Two trips are 3hrs (MD) and one trip is 4hrs to upstate NY (which I hate). Can a Tesla go these distances doing 70-80 mph HWY driving without stopping for a charge? Thank you.
I don't travel much during the year other than three times. Two trips are 3hrs (MD) and one trip is 4hrs to upstate NY (which I hate). Can a Tesla go these distances doing 70-80 mph HWY driving without stopping for a charge? Thank you.
The answer to this question is the same for anything that runs on battery, or fuel for that matter--it depends on fast you accelerate and travel. I think the best case range is 220-300 miles, depending on model, under optimum conditions. How well does your phone battery hold up against the manufacturer's claim?
My battery gives 260 miles on a full charge. I have found in most situations that is a true indication of the range. Doing 70 on a highway will cut about 15% off of that range per my experience so far. When you key in a destination it will calculate how much battery life you have and if it determines you lack the charge to make it to your destination, it will also suggest a route that will take you to a supercharger along the way. Supercharging puts about 300 miles of range onto your battery per hour.
One of the clever features of the design is regenerative braking. That means when you take your foot off the accelerator, the car hastily slows down on its own and in that process the movements cause the battery to regenerate during that breaking process. This prolongs the range. When you are on completely open road with your foot on the accelerator the entire time, the battery is not given the opportunity to regenerate in this way which results in a quicker depletion of the battery.
One last post from reading the thread. Free supercharging is coming to an end for new models. If you buy a pre-owned, supercharging is guaranteed for life of the car. I've also computed the cost of electricity when I charge from home. It ends up costing around $0.03 per mile . That is around a quarter of what gasoline costs. At least half the time I use the free superchargers as I live and work only a few miles from the Jersey Shore Outlets.
If anybody is interested in knowing more and possibly getting one feel free to contact me. The pre-owned route is surprisingly economical comes with a 4 year bumper to bumper, free super charging for life and I'm flying around in a car that people think cost $100,000.
If anybody is interested in knowing more and possibly getting one feel free to contact me. The pre-owned route is surprisingly economical comes with a 4 year bumper to bumper, free super charging for life and I'm flying around in a car that people think cost $100,000.
One thing I just thought about electric cars is how about people who live in condos and apts, they wouldn't be able to charge at home.
Also are charging stations universal? Can you plug in any electric car? Like A Volt, Prime, BMW, Telsa, etc?
Also are charging stations universal? Can you plug in any electric car? Like A Volt, Prime, BMW, Telsa, etc?
There is definitely a standard. Tesla has a different plug but when you buy the car, they provide you with an adapter so that you can use any standard ev charger
This is a fundamental feature of all EVs, going back to the first gen hybrids.
So if doing 70 on the highway nets you a 15% reduction in range, what does 100 get you?
Me too. I got from us 13 a little south of Wilmington to Dunellen in 90 minutes flat on Saturday. Did 85-90 all the way up I-295.
I've never liked the level of enforcement on 295. I prefer the Turnpike. Troop D is a lot more relaxed about speed limit enforcement.
I don't ever drive that fast, but it would depend on how much additional juice it takes for the motor to reach and sustain that speed.
How often do you go 0-60 in 2.8 secs? Not on many NJ roads since traffic will prevent it.
Now I hope everyone gets a Model 3 and Tesla builds out their super chargernetwork to support the additional vehicles.
Of course they should build out the network everyone where but near Menlo Park
So, I was asked how often I go 0-60 in insane mode. I actually usually am in Sport Mode, which is a quite satisfactory 0-60 in 3.2 sec. A very strange thing happened to my approach to driving since owning the Tesla. I travel RT 1 from Princeton to Edison for my commute, and when I approach a yellow light, instead of speeding up to make the light, I slow down to make sure I am one of the first cars at the red light.
Light turns green, I am out of the chute, watching the SUV's and BMW's disappear in the rearview mirror. Getting on the Turnpike at EXIT 9 is also a hoot.
Just as a point of reference, my previous ride was a Caddy CTS-V coupe, which was no slouch at 0 - 60 in 3.9 sec (I will say I do miss the visceral feeling of the rumble of a good ole American V8) . The instantaneous torque of the Tesla makes the Caddy feel like it is standing still. Of course, the Caddy would dust off the Tesla after the quarter mile at 120, or so. But where in NJ can you go that fast.
But, then again, THERE ARE NO LAWS AGAINST ACCELERATION!
dude... lots of places.
Try this one - the TSXO ramp at MM 51.1. One of my favorite places to peg the needle.
Thank you guys. Very interesting but I'm not there yet. I believe that once the industry produced a car with s 500 mile range on one charge, a reasonable time for recharging the battery and multiple charging centers gasoline powered cars will be all but gone.
Right now a BMW 3 series diesel gets 45 mpg. How much better has mileage can you hit?
Right now a BMW 3 series diesel gets 45 mpg. How much better has mileage can you hit?
Two out of three in your car buying life time. Plus - the 40 minutes is over blown and for a full charge. I can charge my iPhone on airplane mode to 80% in 40% of the time for 100%. That's what matters for Tesla
Do you use your hand to push the gas pedal, similar to your other testosterone releasing activities?
Your daughter is woefully misinformed about the battery life, and the replacement cost.
The oldest models are 2012, so there are not too many 100000-milers on the road. Those who have reached that mileage report only immaterial battery degradation. I've yet to see any report of battery failure at 100k. Those who have attempted to predict battery failure based on available data points have predicted failure at 230000 - 400000 miles.
Replacement is being thought to be $8k - 12k. Not $45k.
I'd be interested in knowing your definition of "immaterial battery degradation". There seems to be no consensus (because Tesla, oddly, doesn't have an official manufacturer's study) but I've seen different studies that range out to 70% degradation at 100k miles.
A 70% degradation on a 250 mile range takes you down to 175 miles.
What I'm wondering is what the warranty thresholds are. I seem to recall that Tesla warranties the battery for 8 years/unlimited mileage, but what do they consider "failure"?
A 70% degradation on a 250 mile range takes you down to 175 miles.
What I'm wondering is what the warranty thresholds are. I seem to recall that Tesla warranties the battery for 8 years/unlimited mileage, but what do they consider "failure"?
I've seen anywhere from 10 - 20% degradation at 100k. So instead of 260 I'd have 210. 210 range is still more than adequate for most Tesla owners. It would be fine for me. My last ICE, Nissan Maxima, vehicle was already a complete **** box at 100k miles, so I feel it is a decent trade off.
That's weak logic and doesn't suggest anything other than the Nissan Maxima is a complete **** box.
My wife's last A4 was running flawlessly at 100k. I traded in my GTI at 93k and it had still yet to be serviced for anything other than routine maintenance, tires and brakes.
And leave us not forget - there's a 50k+ price difference between a Maxima and a Model S.
None of which addresses the point - at what level of battery degradation, in the first 8 years, will Tesla determine that the battery requires replacement?
I paid 29k for a new maxima. Put at least 25k worth of gas, oil and replacement of components that are unique to ICE over 10 years if owning it. I had a 60k warranty which I never needed. After 60k, it broke left and right. Completely disabled on the side of the road twice and at 145k, the timing chain broke causing irreparable engine damage. I take responsibility for at least part of that trouble. I've never been interested in maintaining machines. To me, it's a hassle, uninteresting, costly and a complete pain in the ***. I strongly prefer low maintenance.
I bought a pre-owned Model S for 50k which will require none of the $25k expense over that 10 year period. The gamble I've taken is that this Model S may not last me 10 years. But in the meantime, I get to drive my dream car instead of a **** box for the same cost all in.
As to the battery warranty, normal degradation us not covered. What constitutes "normal"? I have not seen a definition. More than 25% degradation before 150k miles and I'd be pissed. Fortunately, every report I've seen from owners suggests that the longevity of the battery is much better than even what was hoped.
The Nissan VQ series is what's called an "interference engine" That means that the valves and the pistons occupy the same physical space, at different times. Failure to replace the timing chain on interval puts you in danger of trashing the entire top end when the chain eventually breaks.
I think a better analysis of your operating costs would be in excluding whatever you paid to rebuild the engine when you broke it, and substituting the cost of the required maintenance, which would be about $750.
Bottom line, comparing the cars based on operating costs may not be the best way to justify a Tesla. You bought it because you think it's cool. You should really just own that - there's certainly nothing wrong with it.
I think a better analysis of your operating costs would be in excluding whatever you paid to rebuild the engine when you broke it, and substituting the cost of the required maintenance, which would be about $750.
Bottom line, comparing the cars based on operating costs may not be the best way to justify a Tesla. You bought it because you think it's cool. You should really just own that - there's certainly nothing wrong with it.
When the engine went, I didn't pay to replace it. I just let my mechanic have it. Ed Henderson has always treated me and my family great so I was fine letting him take whatever meat was left on the bone. My 25k figure comes from the cost of gasoline, oil changes and normal maintenance as needed (probably less than what was needed) over 10 years. It was definitely a factor justifying my decision. If all I cared about was show, I wouldn't have been in that Maxima in the first place. Also, if only my buddy sold me his Saab like he once suggested he might, I would still be in the ICE game.
I have a tesla roof rep coming over this Wednesday as well. Just heard Trinity's pitch and I'm considering that too.
The Saab just isn't an option among friends. I'm trying to sell it, but it's hard to sell a car following full disclosure.